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Offline dangerranger

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laminated forend shapes
« on: March 14, 2010, 10:53:31 PM »
I got one of Boyds thumbhole stocks in nutmeg, and have been looking for a matching forend with not much luck. I did find some scrap furniture grade ply that is very close in color. its 3/4" thich, so Im thinking of gluing several together and making my own. now heres the question. what shape should I make it into? its going to be used on a varmit gun with a bull barrel and I normaly shoot squirrels from a rest. either bench or shooting sticks. reading the FAQs I noticed that handis seem to shoot better with the rest under the hinge. so building a wide flat forend wont do me much good? what would you do? wide flat? or small grip? thanks DR

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 11:24:35 PM »
  For more benchrest shooting than freehand. I think I would consider what the T/C contender guys are doing. Most are a little wider than normal, and flatter on the bottom. Thumb thru the Contender sections and look at their picts. Or make a one for bench and one for free hand ;)

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 05:32:31 AM »
I guess if I where to make a custom forearm, I'd use factory as a guide, but make what ever feels comfortable to MY hand.
  I'd go to a sporting goods store and handle several different guns paying attention to only forearm fit in my hand, then measure and duplicate that. ;)
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 08:42:04 AM »
I made a custom forend, mine is just under 2" wide and slightly longer than a 9" standard forend.  I think the GSI varminter is about 13". I have another zebrawood forend I haven't finished and it's about 11". Longer forends have more chance to contact the barrel and influence accuracy, so if it was me building a varminter, I'd make a short, wide forend and add weight if necessary, rather than build a long one. Search on "zebrawood" and you'll see my stock.

I made a few mistakes along the way, so if you're making your own, I'll offer the following advice:

1) Square up the forend on a table saw and then mark the center line.
2) Drill a 1/4" hole for the forend screw on the center line. Drill the hole a smidge further forward than you need, this way you can adjust forend tension by carefully removing material underneath the forend spacer. Don't countersink the hole just yet.
3) Put a 1 1/4" core box (or whatever size barrel you have) bit in your router and adjust the fence so you're on the center line. On your first pass with the router, make a very small cut. You'll be able to see if you're exactly on the center line because you'll pass directly over the hole you drilled. Route the cavity and flare the back end with sandpaper wrapped over a dowel.
4) Now you'll need to remove some material for the forend mounting screw. There are two operations: the flange on the boss sticks up, and the diameter of the boss is larger than 1/4". You can either chisel out the part where the flange on the forend is, or get lazy like the factory and drill a wide shallow hole. Next drill a 3/8" (I think) hole for the forend boss. Set the height so that you don't drill all the way through! If you do, you'll have a big sloppy hole for the 1/4" mounting screw. That's OK, but why not be neat?
5) Now you should be able to test fit your forend. Don't drill the forend spacer screws, just slap it on and get a friction fit. It should go on really tight if you drilled that hole a smidge further. Trace out the forend spacer on the wood using a sharp pencil so that you know where it goes. Now go ahead and drill the two mounting holes.
Since your forend is still rectangular, it's easy to take off a slight bit off under the forend spacer, just put it on the chop saw and take one hair at a time. My forend fits on snug and doesn't fall off, but I can remove it easily. For a varmint rifle, I'd make this fit on the loose side (but not falling off) and use the forend screw to adjust tension.
6) Shape the forend how you like. I used a round-over bit for the general shape, put some finger grooves with a smaller core box, a band saw to do the front taper, and then a long strip of sandpaper in either hand (60 grit) with a back and forth motion to even out the profile.
7) Countersink the forend screw. If you made a beefy varminter forend, you'll need a longer screw. Sand and finish as desired. Most people seem to use tung oil, but I went to 320 grit and used West Systems 207 epoxy. If you put the forend screw in before the epoxy, a small rim will form around the hole, which captivates the forend screw. Now when I remove the forend, I can't lose the screw.

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 10:30:44 AM »
Hey Dangerranger check out Gunstocks Inc. and look under Replacement stocks.
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 10:39:28 AM »
Hey dangerranger If that doesen't work I would go with the schnabel style forend. Way cool.
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 11:43:16 AM »
Hey Dangerranger check out Gunstocks Inc. and look under Replacement stocks.
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They are kinda pricey.  Cheapest laminate forend is like $45 plus shipping.

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 01:00:56 PM »
Is your hand supposed to go in front of the swivel or behind? If behind, what's the dip in the schnabel forend for? I ask because I just got a schnabel forend and it seems like I should remove the swivel and attach it to a ring on the barrel instead. 

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 01:30:03 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of the GSI fore end?

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 02:51:05 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of the GSI fore end?

There are several in the FAQs and Help thread...Let's see some Handis.

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 03:40:25 PM »
Hey Retrosub,I hold the schnabel forend behind the swivel. I suppose you should do what is comfortable for you. Schnabel forend on a rifle or a shotgun, is a flaring of the forend tip to form a sculptured knob. Purely decorative, it was developed in Central Europe.   reclusej
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2010, 04:25:18 PM »
I made up a couple for my Contender for the same reason - nothin' sits in the bags worse than a small T/C forearm for 10" barrels. The Rynite carbine forearm is a bit better but still tough to control in the bags. A pic below is one I made for my 10" barrels. It helped me learn to shoot the short guns from the bags and really helped tighten up groups. It's hard to develop a load when you can't shoot consistant groups! I also wanted it to be comfortable to shoot in the field. It's 2" wide and the way it's contoured makes it light and easy to hold in field positions but the flat bottom rides the bags well. Set up on the bench properly it tracks level and straight back. I made one up to fit my carbine barrels as well - just a little longer. Pretty easy to make, mine were from scraps left over from stock blanks. Most of the work was done on a mill with a 3/4" rounded end mill run at high speed.  I made stainless inserts for the sling swivel and attachment screw, which also acts as a pillar. Glassed with Devcon, POI hasn't changed after numerous times on and off different barrels.  Now I need a couple for my Handi barrels. Happy Tinkering!

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2010, 05:06:01 PM »
Hey Antietamgw great job. I really like the contours. It's tinkering that makes things great. I made a forend for my Rossi out of butternut with walnut stain and 3 coats of poly. reclusej
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 11:06:30 PM »
I started gluing it together. its about 2.5" wide. I think Ill make it narrow at the hinge and wide at the front. if Im not happy I can always cut it down. thanks guys. DR

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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 04:43:13 AM »
Please let us all know how the plywood matches up with the buttstock! I don't have any but might take a trip down to the cabinet shop for scraps. Not much sense in getting a stock if I can't match up a forearm.

I much prefer the schnabel forearm style on field guns - nothing handles like my old Savage 99.  The big ugly wide forearms sure handle better from the bench though!
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2010, 02:49:05 PM »
Any of you fellows know what kinds of wood Boyds uses in their laminated stocks? I have the natural lam stockand I am wondering why I can't just glue up my own forearm blank? That also makes me wonder what kind of glue to use? Thanks for any ideas. G66
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Re: laminated forend shapes
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2010, 10:41:28 PM »
the natural stock I have looks like birch plys. if you can find a plywood the has the same size plys it should be easy to match. DR