Author Topic: Just watched Arlen Specter's "Town Hall" meeting.. (Read 2018 times)

Casull · « **Reply #30 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:35:32 PM »

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Should I feel like a winner because I'm losing at a lower velocity?

Do you feel like a winner because your strategy is making you lose at a higher velocity? I think we do have similar ideas of what government should be, but one of us is an idealist and the other is a realist. I think it will be easier to fix the party and move better people up than it will be to get positive results with a third party. In the meantime, those who voted for RP will have to suffer through at least four years of BO along with the rest of us who voted republican. I don't, and never did like McCain, but I did like Palin. Just that lesser of two evils thing (I could have stomached McCain over Obama, and we would have been setting the stage for Palin next time around). Just long term strategy.

Hooker · « **Reply #31 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:08:17 PM »

Quote from: Casull on August 16, 2009, 12:35:32 PM

I think it will be easier to fix the party and move better people up than it will be to get positive results with a third party.

Well you got a lot of ambition I'll give ya that. Lets take a look at this fixer upper of yours.
It has no windows the doors have been kicked down roof is gone the walls got termites the foundation is rotted and the ground is unstable.

Yup I'd say that would make you the Idealist

Pat

Casull · « **Reply #32 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:13:00 PM »

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Yup I'd say that would make you the Idealist

Well, maybe we both have set our sights a mite high.

Dee · « **Reply #33 on:** August 16, 2009, 02:24:41 PM »

Hooker you hit the nail on the head with the voting the lessor of ideology. The experiment has failed miserably. McCain brought nothing to the table, and anyone whom has ever paid attention knows that a Vice President is nothing more than a messenger boy.
ALSO! Even if Casull's wish had come true and McCain had won, a FAILED ADMINISTRATION OFFERS LITTLE HOPE of the Vice President winning the White House.
One can blame the third party voter for the Obama administration as much as one wants but, the simple truth of the matter is, that America did not want McCain the FIRST TIME HE RAN, and America did not want McCain THE SECOND TIME HE RAN.
McCain has been a loser his entire career. He has proven over, and over, and over, that he will trade horses ANYTIME, he thinks it will benefit HIM!
He likes to call himself a Maverick, I CALL HIM A DESERTER!

As you said, and I will include myself. I believe that you and I, and Casull want the same thing. FREEDOM! But the Democrats and the Republicans ARE NOT FOR FREEDOM, and their voting records prove it. It is high time that voters such as Casull stop HOPING and start reading the facts, which are the VOTING RECORDS. That my friend is the PROOF IN THE PUDDING.

McCain did not lose because of independents like me. McCAIN LOST BECAUSE HE IS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN SINCE TAKING OFFICE, UNFAITHFUL TO AMERICA AND IT'S CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS

Casull · « **Reply #34 on:** August 16, 2009, 05:44:02 PM »

Then Dee, why exactly did Ron Paul lose (to McCain)?

Casull · « **Reply #35 on:** August 16, 2009, 05:45:16 PM »

And what it really boils down to is this: I'll take a good chance at some of what I want, than no chance at all of what I want.

Hooker · « **Reply #36 on:** August 17, 2009, 08:04:47 AM »

Quote from: Casull on August 16, 2009, 05:45:16 PM

And what it really boils down to is this: I'll take a good chance at some of what I want, than no chance at all of what I want.

I only see the loss and no gain. One side wants to take everything at once the other wants to take everything in smaller bites.
Neither side wants to give us anything or return things that were taken. The blame for the Republican's defeat does not fall on the the third party voters, it falls on the Republican Party. They alone are to blame. They are the ones that have moved away from their supporters.
They have blurred the line between themselves and the Democrats, and pushing conservatives away. It's not that they did not have viable candidates with in their ranks it is that these candidates did not have the support from the party. Myself I could not in good conscience vote McCain. Even though Palin sweetened the pot some. McCain was not a good choice period and Palin was not ready for the DC meat grinder. She was the Republican Party's hail Mary shot in a game that had already been lost.

Pat

Casull · « **Reply #37 on:** August 17, 2009, 09:04:05 AM »

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McCain was not a good choice period

I agree (and have said so previously), but I still would have taken him over Obama (but I know you and Dee would not).

45-70.gov · « **Reply #38 on:** August 17, 2009, 01:59:43 PM »

you are all right
and we all want the same thing
we just differ on how to accomplish it

i do agree more with cussull
and i left the libertarian party for the republican party

THE DAY AFTER OBAMA GOT ELECTED

i am now studying my local candidates
so i can stop the mccains at a much lower level

the next county over just elelcted a libertarian

Dee · « **Reply #39 on:** August 18, 2009, 02:36:50 PM »

Quote from: Casull on August 16, 2009, 05:44:02 PM

Then Dee, why exactly did Ron Paul lose (to McCain)?

Ron Paul lost because folks like you wanted a sure thing. He took a chance but, you guys never do, and support the lessor of, which never promises anything other than more of the same, which folks like you seem to be satisfied with. You guys are afraid to step out of your politically assigned box, and support an honest candidate.
You believe the press, and reach for the shiny toys like a child does. It doesn't have to have any value, it only has to be shiny.
It is just like Romney. Fox news is always interviewing him as AN EXPERT on health care because he started it in his home state as Governor. Never mind that it's failing.
You can go to the out house for the banquet all you want, but your never gonna be served anything but crap, because that is all that is there.
Some of you (possibly even you) will never wake up and smell the coffee. I have friends that are so desperate for some kind of change that they voted for Obama, and now they are sick. They voted for Republicans for decades, and saw it only get worse.
You say that McCain would be better than Obama? Where is your proof on that? He is for the bailout and he even suspended his campaign to jump on the bailout band wagon. He is for open borders, he is for AMNESTY to illegals, he is anti-second amendment and his voting record proves it. He voted FOR the Patriot Act, which another Republican (Bush) SHOVED THRU, and which also GUTS THE CONSTITUTION. He helped AUTHOR MCCAIN-FIENGOLD ACT, which would VOID Freedom of Speech, and on and on and on.
Read Casull! Read and research you champions before you saddle up and ride to their rescue. I spent 20 years of my life protecting and defending people's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and some of my friends died doing the same thing. I will gladly stand beside an honest man, even when I know we probably will lose and have done so. I sat at the table with men that were willing to die for what they believed, and was honored that they let sit with them, and that they knew I would do the same. Some of them DID DIE, for the cause, and that only makes me more reverent toward what is right.
The Republicans, like the Democrats, are scoundrels and have been for years. My signature says it all at the bottom of each post, and it is truly how I feel, and how I have lived my life.

I truly HAD rather Lose with a Winner, than Win with a Loser. At least I will be in good company at the end.

How about you?

Casull · « **Reply #40 on:** August 18, 2009, 05:58:54 PM »

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Ron Paul lost because folks like you wanted a sure thing. He took a chance but, you guys never do

So Dee, you got it all figured out do you? You talk like you know me, when you don't know sh*t about me. Ron Paul did not lose because of "folks like me". I didn't vote for McCain in the primaries. McCain was my LAST choice of the Republicans running. But, unlike you I can get over my self and see that bad as he was, he was still better than Obama. Obama was my (gag) senator and in my state legislature before that. Whatever McCain may have voted for, he did NOT vote as anti 2nd Amendment as Obama has. He did not vote as pro abortion as Obama has. He did not vote with the democrap party as consistently as Obama has. Again, it comes down to those whiney a**es that, if they don't get everything they want, will act like they got nothing. So, you go ahead, take your ball and go home. And, then you will continue to lose (just as you said you want).

Dee · « **Reply #41 on:** August 20, 2009, 01:02:19 PM »

Just keep voten the way ya have been Casull. It just gets better every day, with you stratagy.
I would wager you have never actually looked at EITHER's voting record. Your just repeating media BS, as always, and STAY IN THAT BOX THEY HAVE YOU IN. It's safe in there. When you lose with those losers you vote for, maybe they will let you keep sitting with the rest of the losers.

If you were given the choice of playing on one of two football teams, one of which was made up of 250 lbs former all pro football players that were prisoners in jail for rape and murder, and the other team, a bunch of skinny preachers and deacons but, all good men, you'd pick the prisoners with you stratagy. You would win the game but, what a bunch to celebrate victory with.

BTW! Your right! I don't know you. I feel blessed.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:12:39 PM »

casul i understand your position... but im thinking you arn t allowing for the possibility that this is the time for great things to happen in this nation ..
things very far from party past courses of action ....
i myself believe ross perot put bill clinton in the presidency...so then your thinking was
just the facts of what happenend...
but im ready to look hard an carefully at any third party candidate that is salesman enough an that
i might be able to believe in enough to vote for him or her... also vote in a congress that will work with them in office... the alternative really does look like a gradual slide into oblivion...
whats failing now ,,will continue... we need some bran new dedication to what this country is suppose to be... gov t of the people by the people an for the people...
get rid of any who hold on to the old failed ways just to keep thier personal power,,,intact...
i ll say it right now.. if palin ran independently... id vote for her... if palin ran in the republican party
for president id vote for her..shes the best hope ive heard speak in a good while..
elect her,, then continue the rout until the corrupt leaders are rooted out... its hard to land a good punch if somebody is holding your arm...stop them from holding a good presidents arm...then he or she can get something done..
wow!!! this is not my field of expertise...but it is my opinion an i have the right to it thank god ,,in this country...also i appreciate the opportunity to state it on this forum...thats not a right ,,thats a given privilidge
slim

Casull · « **Reply #43 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:14:14 PM »

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BTW! Your right! I don't know you. I feel blessed.

Dee, I see that you once again you just ignore my arguments (or any facts that don't fit your preconceived notions) and just parrot the same crap again. You keep voting for the unelectable and feeling superior to those who can see past their own egos. And, BTW, regarding your last snide comment - back at you.

Casull · « **Reply #44 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:21:53 PM »

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casul i understand your position... but im thinking you arn t allowing for the possibility that this is the time for great things to happen in this nation ..
things very far from party past courses of action ....
i myself believe ross perot put bill clinton in the presidency...so then your thinking was
just the facts of what happenend...
but im ready to look hard an carefully at any third party candidate that is salesman enough an that
i might be able to believe in enough to vote for him or her... also vote in a congress that will work with them in office... the alternative really does look like a gradual slide into oblivion...
whats failing now ,,will continue... we need some bran new dedication to what this country is suppose to be... gov t of the people by the people an for the people...
get rid of any who hold on to the old failed ways just to keep thier personal power,,,intact... slim

Slim, I tend to agree with you about needing a star outside the party (or within if we could find another Reagan). If Dee could see past his own sense of superiority, he might be able to see that I tend to agree with some of what he says as well. However, I'm not sure that the last election cycle was the time (maybe the next one if things keep going in the crapper). But as you said, we need someone who is enough of a salesman to make it from the third party position. Ron Paul lacked lacked the salesmanship or star quality to do that. He may be right about a lot of things, but he's just too damn boring to win. I'm ready for something better (inside or outside the party), but in the meantime, I will NOT vote for a loser to feel good about myself.

Hooker · « **Reply #45 on:** August 20, 2009, 03:46:22 PM »

Wow I can see things have heated up a bit.
Casull in Dee's defense not that he needs help roosters like him are tough. He stands hard and fast in his beliefs, and continues to stand fast even after losing. That to me shows a man with humility not a man with a superiority complex. He picked his candidate and was not a fair weather supporter that is commendable. Granted he does come across as bit harsh, but the older you get you look around to see that so much of what we had is slowly being taken away. The way we use to live our lives is being ripped from our grasp, and one starts to take a hard look at system that has slowly eroded away not just our liberty but our way of life. You also look hard at those who proliferate that system. I also have a load of anger toward this political system. It has failed over and over and I will not support it. I wont hold it against a man who still supports it, I just figure he hasn't had fill yet.

Pat

Casull · « **Reply #46 on:** August 20, 2009, 05:29:21 PM »

Hooker, I can appreciate your attitude, but I find it very hard (read impossible) to consider Dee a man with humility when he says:

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You all ARE BACKWARDS, OUF OF TOUCH, DIMWITS!

All for voting for a candidate with an actual chance of winning, and who was the greater of two mediocrities (if that is more palatable than saying the lesser of two evils).

All I know is that a wasted vote is no vote (and usually a vote for the greater of two evils).

The Hermit · « **Reply #47 on:** August 20, 2009, 06:19:00 PM »

There are a lot of things that bother me about this whole process. In my humble opinon, we didn't really have a lot to choose from in either party. I would have preferred someone like Colin Powel running. JMHO.
Also, I believe there is too much activity going on behind the scenes. ACORN. Electoral college is a farce.
Hillary traded her losing position for Sec of State. All of us have been duped. PACS.
As an American, I feel like I've been cheated.
The prior election still has a cloud cast over the Florida votes. There must be a better way.
My God, can it get any worse? Pelosi, Shummer, Frank, Hillary.....Bailouts, AIG, They can't run cash for clunkers and want us to trust them with our health care. The gov destroyed the economy. Greenspan.
Time for a real change. One person, one vote, majority rules. All of Congress's laws should be put up for public vote. No more BS laws. No more pork hiding in line item bills...What do you think?

The Hermit

45-70.gov · « **Reply #48 on:** August 20, 2009, 06:29:22 PM »

Quote from: The Hermit on August 20, 2009, 06:19:00 PM

There are a lot of things that bother me about this whole process. In my humble opinon, we didn't really have a lot to choose from in either party. I would have preferred someone like Colin Powel running. JMHO.
Also, I believe there is too much activity going on behind the scenes. ACORN. Electoral college is a farce.
Hillary traded her losing position for Sec of State. All of us have been duped. PACS.
As an American, I feel like I've been cheated.
The prior election still has a cloud cast over the Florida votes. There must be a better way.
My God, can it get any worse? Pelosi, Shummer, Frank, Hillary.....Bailouts, AIG, They can't run cash for clunkers and want us to trust them with our health care. The gov destroyed the economy. Greenspan.
Time for a real change. One person, one vote, majority rules. All of Congress's laws should be put up for public vote. No more BS laws. No more pork hiding in line item bills...What do you think?

The Hermit

My God, can it get any worse? Pelosi, Shummer, Frank, Hillary.....Bailouts, AIG, They can't run cash for clunkers and ............now OBAMA to rubber stamp them

AND COLIN BOWEL INDORSED OBAMA

not MCCAIN or a third party

BEEN-A-DICK COLIN BOWEL endorsed obama knowing what obama is
knowing obama would support Pelosi, Shummer, Frank, Hillary.....Bailouts, AIG,
and hairy reed

Dee · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2009, 01:22:15 PM »

Quote from: Casull on August 20, 2009, 02:14:14 PM

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BTW! Your right! I don't know you. I feel blessed.

Dee, I see that you once again you just ignore my arguments (or any facts that don't fit your preconceived notions) and just parrot the same crap again. You keep voting for the unelectable and feeling superior to those who can see past their own egos. And, BTW, regarding your last snide comment - back at you.

Now that's is funny. You voted for McCain in the election. HE'S UNELECTABLE! Everyone knew that except your ilk of voting mentality. YOU voted for someone whom was never going to be president, because you were AFRAID. And your still afraid, and will do it again, and again, and again. They have you and others trained.
And I was ignoring your arguments. I just consider them invalid. Your system is not working in the voting dept. So the advice for the day is: If you find yourself in a hole. Stop diggin!

Oh, and BTW. That wasn't a snide remark. It was sarcasm.

Casull · « **Reply #50 on:** August 23, 2009, 04:30:33 PM »

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You voted for McCain in the election. HE'S UNELECTABLE!

Dee . . . BS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most thought that the election was going to be close. But, you are great at hindsight. BTW, Ron Paul got how many votes? ROFLMAO

Dee · « **Reply #51 on:** August 23, 2009, 05:36:39 PM »

Casull the peeing contest is ended. I never thought for a minute I would change your mind. You are somewhat like the liberal. If I don't vote the way you vote, then I must be wrong.
I have watched this mess get worse for 60 years, and I have watched folks do the same damn thing over and over, some how stupidly think they were going to get a different result.
Nothing is going to change, until we COLLECTIVELY, change the way we vote COLLECTIVELY. Now that's a fact jack!
I don't saddle one horse to cross the creek, and then change horses before I get out of the water. I go for what is right, and don't listen to some cheap politician with a law degree promise me something that he not only doesn't INTEND to deliver, but something he COULDN'T DELIVER in the first place.
McCain got his ass kicked the first time he ran, and got it kicked the SECOND TIME he ran. AMERICA DID NOT WANT HIM! He's a turn coat, and always has been. It was never going to be close. I haven't forgot what he ran on the FIRST TIME, I was votin age years ago.
Now you can take all this as personal as you want, as it makes no difference to me, but the fact of the matter is, this is a forum for discussion, and folks aren't always going to agree. If they did, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

Now backing up to one of your posts where you dredged up my comment on "your all backward, out of touch dimwits". I was repeating what someone else had said and being SARCASTIC, in that we COLLECTIVELY, continue to vote for these scoundrels, and they continue to get elected, and some continue to WHINE when their rights are CONTINUALLY eroded. YOU missed my point completely.
Now, as far as Ron Paul losing, yes indeed he did, but so did McCain. MY POINT ON THE MATTER HAS BEEN ALL ALONG, THAT WHEN THE GAME IS OVER, AND IT IS OVER BY THE WAY, THAT I HAD RATHER SIT DOWN BESIDE SOMEONE LIKE RON PAUL, AND SAY: WE LOST MY FRIEND, BUT WE TRIED OUR BEST, THAN TO SIT DOWN BESIDE THAT SOLD OUT SOB JOHN MCCAIN, AND SAY: SOMEBODY SHOULDA HUNG YOU YEARS AGO.
Those knuckleheads in D.C. are gonna do, what their gonna do, and everyone is gonna help'em cause their gonna keep right on votin the way they always have. INCLUDIN YOU. SO! Go ahead, and continue down your road and understand that I am not gonna go with you willingly, OR quietly, because "I" like "YOU", think that "YOU" are the one that is wrong.
With that said, I am done with this discussion with you. It isn't going to accomplish anything. Now, go ahead and fire you best shot, but understand that I have a lot of years of armor, it will no doubt bounce right off the hull of this old fart's row boat.

Casull · « **Reply #52 on:** August 24, 2009, 05:24:59 AM »

Dee, no last shot. I think we both made our points. Time to let this one rest.

Dee · « **Reply #53 on:** August 24, 2009, 05:44:20 AM »

Quote from: Casull on August 24, 2009, 05:24:59 AM

Dee, no last shot. I think we both made our points. Time to let this one rest.

Fair enough. I am a grouchy, and blunt ole codger that ain't likely to change. You and I want the same thing, we just see a different way of getting it.