This could be in either political or religious forum..let's go with political.

[Dee]

I feel very fortunate that some here have enough evidence to convict me of believing the Bible in its entirety. I'll just stay with it, and skip the Harley manual.

[Lloyd Smale]

and ill bet my eternal life that there will be no test on bible knowledge, the harley manual or any book written by man. i think my journey is already decided by God. he knows i believe in him and his son and through my life have treated others well. far from perfect but what is is and reading a book isnt going to change it or impress him.

[Bob Riebe]

“ Obviously chaos befits them, just as their father intended.”
IG: did you really intend that insult? Do you really believe that a person who does not believe what you believe is evil?

     A person who is not of the one true Faith, Christianity, may not be evil but the ones actions are  affected by either by the ones self-desire, or non-human spirits that loathe Jesus and his gift.

     Remember , in Heaven, God was rejected by those who know/knew exactly what God is but rebelled out of self-desire, the fallen angels following the one who first rebelled because of their belief in me, myself and I.

[Dee]

and ill bet my eternal life that there will be no test on bible knowledge, the harley manual or any book written by man. i think my journey is already decided by God. he knows i believe in him and his son and through my life have treated others well. far from perfect but what is is and reading a book isnt going to change it or impress him.

Thats what you're bettin.

[Goldie]

Personally I find reading the good book stimulating, enjoyable, and it makes me feel better with myself. Do I think it will get me to heaven? Who knows but it sure can't hurt. To each their own.

[DDZ]

Just reading the bible won't get anyone a pass to God's kingdom. After all Satin knows the bible very well. In 2nd Timothy 3:16 Paul wrote: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" That alone makes the Bible a book like no other. The Bible leads us to Jesus, who was God in the flesh. The Bible is instruction from God in how we are to live our lives, and what is pleasing to God. The Bible also gives us hope for the future. 

[Dee]

Just reading the bible won't get anyone a pass to God's kingdom. After all Satin knows the bible very well. In 2nd Timothy 3:16 Paul wrote: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" That alone makes the Bible a book like no other. The Bible leads us to Jesus, who was God in the flesh. The Bible is instruction from God in how we are to live our lives, and what is pleasing to God. The Bible also gives us hope for the future.

Very well stated.

[Lloyd Smale]

yes sir. what he wont say at the pearly gates is "here comes another hypocrite!"

and ill bet my eternal life that there will be no test on bible knowledge, the harley manual or any book written by man. i think my journey is already decided by God. he knows i believe in him and his son and through my life have treated others well. far from perfect but what is is and reading a book isnt going to change it or impress him.

Thats what you're bettin.

[Lloyd Smale]

no doubt true but i have to question the intelligence of those who have to read it 200 times to understand those simple instructions including MANY in my own church. what i really question is a couple here on a gun and outdoors forum that weaponize it to win arguments and try to impress others with their "supposed" vast knowledge of scripture. Google is their real knowlege base and they think we are to stupid to know that!!

Just reading the bible won't get anyone a pass to God's kingdom. After all Satin knows the bible very well. In 2nd Timothy 3:16 Paul wrote: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" That alone makes the Bible a book like no other. The Bible leads us to Jesus, who was God in the flesh. The Bible is instruction from God in how we are to live our lives, and what is pleasing to God. The Bible also gives us hope for the future.

[DDZ]

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

[darkgael]

I am familiar with the story of the fall of Lucifer as told by John Milton in “Paradise Lost”. Where in scripture is that story told?
There is an account in Genesis. Is there more?

[AtlLaw]

Well, I haven't opened my Bible since Kathie passed.  But! Discussions like this one gave me the idea to start reading it again.  I wondered where I should start since I had these page markers here and there, but then it occurred to me that, "In the beginning ..."

[Lloyd Smale]

hows the motorcyle been working out? did 175 miles on the dirt bike today. buts a bit sore. sure isnt like riding the harley!

Well, I haven't opened my Bible since Kathie passed.  But! Discussions like this one gave me the idea to start reading it again.  I wondered where I should start since I had these page markers here and there, but then it occurred to me that, "In the beginning ..."

[AtlLaw]

Great Lloyd!  Having a little battery problem and need to adjust the suspension, but other then that it's like I never stopped riding!   

[ironglowz]

I am familiar with the story of the fall of Lucifer as told by John Milton in “Paradise Lost”. Where in scripture is that story told?
There is an account in Genesis. Is there more?

     Isaiah 14:12-17    Luke 10:18  and in a cryptic way..  Rev 12:3,4

[ironglowz]

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

  Yea! All are sinners, but we are promised redemption, if we are born again..

    I also study to teach and preach at times, and i don't expect everyone to do that much reading of the Bible.

   ..But preparing a message or not, I usually read a chapter each night before bed time.  It only takes perhaps 5-7 minutes, and i miss it if I miss it ! 

   If a man is truly a Christian, it would seem the best idea to study to have a working knowledge of our handbook.   

   ..But I see that you and Lloyd seem to think studying the Bible is a waste of time.... why ?

[Lloyd Smale]

i dont consider it a waste of time if someone hasnt read it. i dont think its a waste of time for someone going over a scripture that hes going to read in church tomorrow. what i do think is wrong is reading it looking for hidden meanings that arent there. if they were than why no one since the first copy was put to ink 2000 years ago never found. i actually think the bible is simple and so are its lessons and there's no need to read it 100s of times looking for something that doesnt exist! what i really think is wrong is preaching it while throwing in your own opinion that differs from the simple message. its the exact reason there are 100s of different christian faiths and they treat each other with less respect then they do atheists! most of them started by either someone who is arrogant enough to think they figured out something the rest of us havent. or someone looking for self importance or power (which are sins). or someone that just didnt like the rules and wanted to write their own. my own brother in law whos a retired flipping dentist was a Lutheran deacon. he split and started his own church last year. he has a gay son and didnt like his pastor bad mouthing gays and mostly didnt like playing second fiddle. so a simple on line certificate and rent on an abandoned church and he now has a group of about 40 ex hippies from the 60s listening to him twisting scripture. but what makes me shake my head the most and not to pick a fight is using it on here to win arguments or try to out scripture someone else with YOUR opinion.

you and another one you go to battle with the most tried to get a dedicated bible study section here and it was a joke. first moderator came right out and said "my way or the highway" hell was raised and the other one was made moderator and nothing changed. that section was nothing but a unchristian pit of vipers and was soon shut down! there was no God there just arrogant men that thought they knew more than the rest of us. that section went away but didnt really die. same "i can quote and know more about the bible than you" goes on about daily here. do you think your personal opinion of GODS words matter to anyone here or were even asked for!! again not to pick a fight but theres 2 main players in this and probably 90% of those posts are started by you! so what have you gained? have you converted anyone here? most here are allready Christian and have held there beliefs for 50 years. you think your opinion is going to change them?? same with our occasional athiests. you think after 50 years your bringing them to God??? the ONLY thing your doing is trying to impress others with your memorization skills and even that is questionable because we are all here on the internet and a scripture to argue ANY POINT is just a click away.

so nope i dont read the bible for 10 minutes a night. every night for that same 10 minutes i talk to God. i thank him for allowing me another day. ask him to forgive the sins (i commit EVERY day) and ask him to help me be better tomorrow. Jesus said thats what we should do. he never mentioned memorizing a book. if he thought it was important being the son of God and one with him i think he would have known it was coming and even suggested it. I think if God thought it was suppose to be as important as some think even something that some worship he would have whispered in Jesus's ear to give us a heads up! its not like he didnt operate like that. he whispered in Moses's ear and gave him a set of rules that we must live by. If he did give us the Bible why would he have put secrets in it that caused so much confusion and probably sparked more wars and deaths than anything in the history of man??? answer is he didnt. he gave us a very simple instruction manual and history book. mans arrogance and sins did the rest and it continues today even on an outdoors forum.  now thats my opinion. maybe im wrong. i dont know and neither do you!! surely not where i come to be lectured and shown the way. like a 100% of us here my way and my beliefs are decades old and pretty much set. its hysterical to think your going to change Dee's mind or for that matter anyone here. So my simple question to you is why are you wasting your time doing it here??? wouldnt that 15 minutes of time each day here be better spent helping someone that really needs it or asks for it or even 15 more minutes reading the bible if you truly think that pleases God.

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

  Yea! All are sinners, but we are promised redemption, if we are born again..

    I also study to teach and preach at times, and i don't expect everyone to do that much reading of the Bible.

   ..But preparing a message or not, I usually read a chapter each night before bed time.  It only takes perhaps 5-7 minutes, and i miss it if I miss it ! 

   If a man is truly a Christian, it would seem the best idea to study to have a working knowledge of our handbook.   

   ..But I see that you and Lloyd seem to think studying the Bible is a waste of time.... why ?

[Dee]

It seems oddly anal that "only one" is so intolerant of any religious discussion. If "one" doesn't like any religious discussion, then why does "one" always jump headfirst into it?

I see these forums as a conglomeration of various opinions from individuals living all over the country. There are topics sometimes posted that I personally have no interest in and sometimes don't even bother to read them, and some I comment on knowing full well that I'm not gonna change anyones mind.

There is a forum here specifically for religious discussion, even disagreement. If "one" doesn't agree with such discussion, "one" simply has to not participate.
The fact that ironglowz and myself, agree on much, and disagree on some, affects no one here, including each other. Except "one"
It's a simple solution,  but  apparently complicated for just "one". 

[Lloyd Smale]

well you could say the same about ANY subject i start or reply to that you just cant resist!! or the fact when you dont get your way you stomp off vowing to never return but here you are! ill post in any discussion i want, thank you. only one that moderates me is Bill or matt. i could care less if you want to read the bible 10 hours a day but it obviously doesnt make people better Christains. at least not here. just the opposite in fact.

It seems oddly anal that "only one" is so intolerant of any religious discussion. If "one" doesn't like any religious discussion, then why does "one" always jump headfirst into it?

I see these forums as a conglomeration of various opinions from individuals living all over the country. There are topics sometimes posted that I personally have no interest in and sometimes don't even bother to read them, and some I comment on knowing full well that I'm not gonna change anyones mind.

There is a forum here specifically for religious discussion, even disagreement. If "one" doesn't agree with such discussion, "one" simply has to not participate.
It's a simple solution,  but  apparently complicated for just "one". 

[DDZ]

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

  Yea! All are sinners, but we are promised redemption, if we are born again..

    I also study to teach and preach at times, and i don't expect everyone to do that much reading of the Bible.

   ..But preparing a message or not, I usually read a chapter each night before bed time.  It only takes perhaps 5-7 minutes, and i miss it if I miss it ! 

   If a man is truly a Christian, it would seem the best idea to study to have a working knowledge of our handbook.   

   ..But I see that you and Lloyd seem to think studying the Bible is a waste of time.... why ?

Not sure how in the world you got the assumption that I think studying the Bible is a waste of time. I have attended many Bible studies for a number of years. This is the reason I don't give my imput in the religious forum very often.   

[Dee]

well you could say the same about ANY subject i start or reply to that you just cant resist!! or the fact when you dont get your way you stomp off vowing to never return but here you are! ill post in any discussion i want, thank you. only one that moderates me is Bill or matt. i could care less if you want to read the bible 10 hours a day but it obviously doesnt make people better Christains. at least not here. just the opposite in fact.

It seems oddly anal that "only one" is so intolerant of any religious discussion. If "one" doesn't like any religious discussion, then why does "one" always jump headfirst into it?

I see these forums as a conglomeration of various opinions from individuals living all over the country. There are topics sometimes posted that I personally have no interest in and sometimes don't even bother to read them, and some I comment on knowing full well that I'm not gonna change anyones mind.

There is a forum here specifically for religious discussion, even disagreement. If "one" doesn't agree with such discussion, "one" simply has to not participate.
It's a simple solution,  but  apparently complicated for just "one". 

Apparently Lloyd it does bother you, as you now have expanded your dislike to other topics, and graduated into personal attacks. Why don't you calm down, and stop trying to control other peoples interests? Let people discuss what they want to discuss, without your ridicule.

[DDZ]

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses so that Christs power may rest on me.   II Corinthians 12:9

[gypsyman]

  England, France and Germany are being overthrown by their own governments. Pushing the Muslims in, and many are to complacent to fight back. When they do, their own police/LE are arresting them. There will be a time when the words of Jesus will come to light. Gospel of Luke 22:36 Sell your cloak and buy a sword. Crusades all over again.

[Dee]

  England, France and Germany are being overthrown by their own governments. Pushing the Muslims in, and many are to complacent to fight back. When they do, their own police/LE are arresting them. There will be a time when the words of Jesus will come to light. Gospel of Luke 22:36 Sell your cloak and buy a sword. Crusades all over again.

Well, one would expect athests, and islamists to try and discourage anyone from talking about Christianity, but I find odd that someone claiming Christianity for themselves, would try and silence it. Houston Texas of all places is slowly being taken over by Islamists.
Freedom of religion, and freedom of speech, are both protected under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, but there seems to be "one" here that doesn't agree with the Constitution on the issue.

[Lloyd Smale]

let it go. no personal attacks here. at least by me. just my opinion and FACT. but you sure like throwing up that "personal attack" bs so Bill will see it. i control NOTHING on here. Thats Bills job! sorry if my OPINIONS differ from yours and that gets under your skin.

well you could say the same about ANY subject i start or reply to that you just cant resist!! or the fact when you dont get your way you stomp off vowing to never return but here you are! ill post in any discussion i want, thank you. only one that moderates me is Bill or matt. i could care less if you want to read the bible 10 hours a day but it obviously doesnt make people better Christains. at least not here. just the opposite in fact. i sure dont have to leave a discussion because i dont agree with you! get over yourself. if you dont like my opinions ignore them!!

It seems oddly anal that "only one" is so intolerant of any religious discussion. If "one" doesn't like any religious discussion, then why does "one" always jump headfirst into it?

I see these forums as a conglomeration of various opinions from individuals living all over the country. There are topics sometimes posted that I personally have no interest in and sometimes don't even bother to read them, and some I comment on knowing full well that I'm not gonna change anyones mind.

There is a forum here specifically for religious discussion, even disagreement. If "one" doesn't agree with such discussion, "one" simply has to not participate.
It's a simple solution,  but  apparently complicated for just "one". 

Apparently Lloyd it does bother you, as you now have expanded your dislike to other topics, and graduated into personal attacks. Why don't you calm down, and stop trying to control other peoples interests? Let people discuss what they want to discuss, without your ridicule.

[ironglowz]

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

  Yea! All are sinners, but we are promised redemption, if we are born again..

    I also study to teach and preach at times, and i don't expect everyone to do that much reading of the Bible.

   ..But preparing a message or not, I usually read a chapter each night before bed time.  It only takes perhaps 5-7 minutes, and i miss it if I miss it ! 

   If a man is truly a Christian, it would seem the best idea to study to have a working knowledge of our handbook.   

   ..But I see that you and Lloyd seem to think studying the Bible is a waste of time.... why ?

Not sure how in the world you got the assumption that I think studying the Bible is a waste of time. I have attended many Bible studies for a number of years. This is the reason I don't give my imput in the religious forum very often.

 Hmmm... I guess I got that idea, because when I mentioned such regular exercise, you didn't happen to come back with agreement...sorry if I assumed too much..

[DDZ]

People are sinners, no matter how well they know the bible.

  Yea! All are sinners, but we are promised redemption, if we are born again..

    I also study to teach and preach at times, and i don't expect everyone to do that much reading of the Bible.

   ..But preparing a message or not, I usually read a chapter each night before bed time.  It only takes perhaps 5-7 minutes, and i miss it if I miss it ! 

   If a man is truly a Christian, it would seem the best idea to study to have a working knowledge of our handbook.   

   ..But I see that you and Lloyd seem to think studying the Bible is a waste of time.... why ?

Not sure how in the world you got the assumption that I think studying the Bible is a waste of time. I have attended many Bible studies for a number of years. This is the reason I don't give my imput in the religious forum very often.

 Hmmm... I guess I got that idea, because when I mentioned such regular exercise, you didn't happen to come back with agreement...sorry if I assumed too much..

Guess I have no idea where in this thread you mentioned studying the bible, and where I would have interjected to that??? Or anywhere any of my posts were directly responding to what you posted.