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Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« on: November 04, 2012, 03:06:22 AM »
My handy shoots 1/2"- 1 1/2" groups with just about any 55 to 68 grain bullet . The Sierra 65 gr Gamekings shoot the best with a typical 3/4" group . Rem factory 55 gr UMC FMJ's shoot 1 to 1 1/4" .However , my zero seems to move a little up and down ( about an 1")about every third visit to the range.  I have made no mods to the gun . Also the trigger is about 8 lbs. . Any thoughts?

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Re: Wondering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 03:10:34 AM »
PS: I have several nice 223's I could use but the Handy is always with me because it is so compact and easy to load .it's just handy .

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Re: Wondering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 03:18:48 AM »
There are several trigger articles in the FAC's (ctrl F).
My choice:
   http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,52341.msg308025.html#msg308025


If the zero won't hold, I expect to find the fix for that in the optics or mounts.
(Including the weaver mount on the barrel.)

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Re: Wondering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2012, 03:26:17 AM »
Before I tried to fix that problem, if there is one, I'd get that trigger pull down where it belongs.  That sounds like a late model with a trigger way over spec.  I believe they'll fix it for you under warranty, or you can do it with the instructions in the FAQs.  If you're shooting different ammo or loads, your POI is going to change.

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Re: Wondering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2012, 03:36:23 AM »
The gun is about 5 years old . Didn't shoot it till last year . Mounts are tight , checked that first . I have been reluctant to tackle the trigger because of it's complexity .

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Re: Wondering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 04:02:16 AM »
Trigger work can be intimidating. It is not that hard, if you have any mechanical ability at all. Print out the instructions and thoroughly study them, until you know them frontwards and backwards. Get the proper tools lined up, by that I mean have your slave pin made up and the punches, mallet, etc. I suspend the frame between two 2 X 4 blocks to punch out the pins that hold the trigger group in to the frame. I use nail punches to drive out the pins with, they are slightly concave so they will not slip off the pin while you drive it. After I get the pins well below the surface of the frame, I use a regular drift punch to push them out the rest of the way.

As to your zero drift, since you are assured it is not your mount or rings, I would look at either your scope or the latch engagement. Your scope could be drifting, they do funny things some times. It could also be your latch engagement. Make sure your latch engagement is the same each time you use it by making sure it is always dry from lubricates and you snap it shut with the same force each time. I have found that my shot groups have a tendency to string vertically with the Handi rifle, unless I do what I suggested.

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Re: Wondering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 05:27:51 AM »
Are you cleaning the barrel? You shouldn't. ear
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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 08:08:16 AM »
Yes I clean the barrel about every 20 shots with Wipeout .

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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 09:45:31 AM »
Handi Rifles are like Roughnecks  they work better dirty ;D
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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 12:59:27 PM »
Vertical stringing is often caused by the shooter not placing the buttpad in the same place on the shoulder, or leaning into the rifle on the bench a bit different. These factors change the recoil impulse and this the point of impact.
Ain't saying this is you, but its worth considering.
Another indicator of potential cause here is that you say 'wandering zero' yet it is only vertical stringing. A real wander would be putting the bullets around your point of aim, not just up/down. This could be some pressure on the barrel anywhere from latch to forearm tip.
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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2012, 01:16:17 PM »
Handi Rifles are like Roughnecks  they work better dirty ;D

Yeah, don't worry about the spiders and crud in there, the next bullet'll take most of it out.  If ya can still see some daylight down the bore, you're good to go ::) ::)

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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2012, 05:22:29 PM »
Buy some cheap jacketed bullets and shoot for group until you see the groups start to get a little smaller. Don't run the barrel hot! and don't clean the bore. Watch for even carbon pattern on the muzzle crown and inspect the rifleing at the crown. When you can tell the groups are getting smaller then you can start trying different loads to find something that works best. You can make adjustments to other things you learn along the way. Read the faqs.
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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 08:51:00 AM »
Hey thanks for the support and just so you know I loaded my first round in the fall of 1974 on a RCBS A2 press. Now I have a rockchucker , a rcbs Jr,a rcbs green machine , a redding t-7 , and a lee classic turret.

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Re: Wandering zero - 223 standard model 1 - 9 twist
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2012, 06:13:09 AM »
Sounds like you have a lot of what you need. Knowledge and tools. You have a gun that can do the gob with attention. Hang in there, good luck. ear
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