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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2012, 05:23:05 AM »

 
Good thing I only shoot the 300 grain Sierras at targets with my 45-120 at 2600+FPS. :o    They do make a nice explosion in the berm behind my target, kinda reminds me of the US Navy shelling a pacific island in WWII. 8)     
 
 
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Yup, reminds me of Tyler's critter and his deer didn't fare much better!!  ;D

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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2012, 05:56:10 AM »
Yup, reminds me of Tyler's critter and his deer didn't fare much better!!  ;D

I heard dat!   ;D
 
And dem's was 405 grain bullets!   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2012, 06:39:25 AM »
Well, I'm new here and might act impolite at first...I assure you it's not intentional. It's just that....like I said: I'm new.

What I'm interested in knowing is what are some of your favorite BLACK POWDER loads for the 45-70 Handi?  ;D

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For straight Black about 60 grains of 2F goex, with a pea sized ball of SPG on the powder, then a felt wad and a thin grease cookie at the base of the bullet.  The 500 grain postells and 405 grain RNFP seem to get close to shooting to the factory sights, but I cannot get a 300 grainer pushed by Black on Paper.



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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2012, 06:46:55 AM »
Yup, reminds me of Tyler's critter and his deer didn't fare much better!!  ;D

I heard dat!   ;D
 
And dem's was 405 grain bullets!   ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2012, 07:08:37 AM »
Well, I'm new here and might act impolite at first...I assure you it's not intentional. It's just that....like I said: I'm new.

What I'm interested in knowing is what are some of your favorite BLACK POWDER loads for the 45-70 Handi?  ;D

Thanks!
70 grs of Goex or KIK 2f , a .030 fiber wad and a .459 diameter 405 gr bullet lubed with a good blackpowder lube, in your favored brand of case primed with a large pistol primer. Seat the bullet to the driving band and use no more crimp than necessary to take the flare from the case mouth.
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 07:09:13 AM »
Richard & Tim,
 
I'm just a pretender, Tyler's the real deal with the 45-120. 8)
 
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2012, 07:24:37 AM »
Your 'full case of black' can vary by quite a bit, depending on the grade powder you use 1,2,or 3 Fg (dont use 4F), and the brand. If you insist on black, and the fouling issues and clean up, thats fine, but I decided I would keep all that for my muzzleloaders and happily use a full case (behind the bullet, of course) Trail Boss (and Im not the only one, in spite of some nayer(s), it is a ballistic match and burns clean.
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2012, 09:18:24 AM »
Tyler's the real deal with the 45-120. 8)

Ah... Young Tyler...  :-\  Wonder what happened to the boy?   ???
 
I'll bet that puberty thing kicked in and he decided that two legs on a female were better lookin then one barrel on a Handi.   ;)
 
This thread has got me thinking I need another 45-70 barrel... to make into a 45-90!   ;D
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2012, 09:22:01 AM »
Tyler's the real deal with the 45-120. 8)

Ah... Young Tyler...  :-\  Wonder what happened to the boy?   ???
 
I'll bet that puberty thing kicked in and he decided that two legs on a female were better lookin then one barrel on a Handi.   ;)
 
This thread has got me thinking I need another 45-70 barrel... to make into a 45-90!   ;D

I am waiting patiently for a 50-140 update. ::)
 
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2012, 03:28:25 PM »
Just to clarify... "Trail Boss is a volume equivalent for BP???"  So a full case of Trail Boss is OK instead of 70gr FFG...  Is there a compression issue with Trail Boss if I compact it a little?  Just asking.  Know nothing about TB.
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2012, 03:40:58 PM »
Trailboss is absolutely not a volume equivilant of blackpowder. Yes Trailboss has compression issues, the dang stuff gets dangerous when compressed.
While it does fill most of the space available in the case, it's pressure is much higher than blackpowder and it's velocity is lucky to get to 3/4 of what a full blackpowder load will generate. And there's absolutely no comparison in accuracy Trailboss is probably the least accurate  powder you can dump in a 45-70 case.
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2012, 02:06:19 AM »
rd,
 
I have shot some trail boss in the 45-70 and a lot of trail boss in the 45-120.  My opinion is, if you want low recoil & low velocity and are concerned with a double charge then it is a good alternative to the reduced loads with fast pistol powders.  As mentioned, it is not necessarily a low pressure powder, take a look at Hodgdon's published data on this powder in rifle cartridges.  My experience in the 45 cal rifle is that I found during load work up that after about 90 to 95 load density I started to get a reduction in both velocity and accuracy.  Hodgdon's method for working up at load says to start @ 70 precent load density and stop when you get an accurate load.   Since this powder is meant for reduced velocity load I don't really see the need to try and hot rod it by loading a compressed charge.  If more velocity is needed then just use another powder.
 
BTW, if you measure powder with a plastic dipper TB will cling to the dipper. :P
 
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2012, 04:30:46 AM »
+1 all that RD; It is very bulky and fills a case nicely, no need to use fillers or worry about double charges of fast burning shotgun powders (which are often used). My chrono tests, admittedly not extensive, show it to be basically a ballistic twin to my full charge of BP (which, in modern cases, is not 70gr. unless maybe behind a light cast bullet. It has shown me NO pressure signs and is accurate enough for me, though YMMV. I did start at the 70% of full to the bullet base, with several calibers, and found it to be way too much of a powder-puff load for me. Working each caliber up in basically 5% increments got me to the full up is just fine. IMHO, 80-85% is a nice reduced load, and I wouldnt hesitate to start there for any future calibers I use it in.
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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2012, 06:11:27 AM »
Well since I'm really a reloading novice as well and since I only shoot Black powder (Smokless IS a passing fad ::) ) I currently am having very nice results with my Buffalo Classic with 58.8 grns of Swiss FF, with a .30 veg wad.  I'm using a CCI Large Pistol Primer in Starline Brass.  I'm using a 30-1 self cast Lyman 405 grn head and SPG lube sized to .458.  Finger seated with a tiny bit of compression and a slight crimp.  Not too bad for a start. 8)

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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2012, 10:57:52 AM »
My light but very accurate loads are 15grs of Unique topped off with a 450gr Lee flat point (which actually weighs 464grs with my alloy).  Recoil shooting these out of my BC is less than shooting .357 Mag out of my .357 Rossi '92, not by much, but seeems slightly less.   Accuracy is one ragged hole at 50yds, and 1.5-2" at 100.  I dont know the velocity, but it isn't high at all while still being serviceable for my needs.  I do plan on working up a warmer load with a better trajectory eventually though, but no longer shoot the loads I used to use that I developed back when I thought everything had to be driven as fast as it could possibly go.

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Re: 45/70 Loads
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2012, 06:42:02 AM »
Thanks to everyone who responded. I have learned a lot. This barrel I have is just one super accurate barrel. Like I stated, I'm not into the big mule kickers, I just want good power and as accurate as I can get. To me; it is no fun to pull a trigger, and the ole shoulder moans and you get kicked back.
 
Believe me, I'm enjoying my Handi's and my pardner shotguns. Thanks again to all of you. This is a great bunch on here, I enjoy all my time with all of you.
 
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