Let's see who's right !

[ironglow]

 Very different opinions are about concerning the OCCUPIERS.  Personally, I think they are a large body of "useful idiots" as described by Marx.  ..But these useful idiots are being led by a trained, militant batch of organized insurrectionists, but that's just my opinion..
  However, unlike most news networks out there, Fox News has a couple of their favorites who greatly disagree with one another.  Unlike other networks, Fox is willing (since last week) to let the scenario play out and thereby prove which one is closer to correct.
 
   Jeraldo Rivera seems to believe that the OCCUPIERS are primarily a group of young, white, '20 something' men..indolent and 'living in their mother's basements'.  He thinks they will remain rather harmless.  Here, from a lefty website....
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1ub1fYviM
   Beck, on the other hand sees it much as I do..a vast group of babbling bumbos & bimbos...being used by a trained, violence seeking cadre....
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFYoAMqAhlg&NR=1
 
    Time will tell if this "Flea Party" is just a group of  "Momma's boy  cellar dwellers"  or if as Beck says.. the same mob, led unknowingly by professional violent revolutionaries...or is "community activist" a more appropriate term ?
 
   So, if these troglodites suddenly turn violent..let's keep a record here; just to see who is right !

[rio grande]

I know one thing for sure - you'll never know 'who's right' if you simply get your information from the mainstream media or shills such as Beck or Limbaugh.
Also I distrust carefully selected outrageous videos of possible planted 'spokespersons' -  likely not representative of all the protesters.

Maybe we should go down to the protests and actually find out for ourselves?

You referred to them as 'troglodites'....here is a definition.  They do seem to be everywhere.  And I do mean everywhere.

troglodyte -  noun 1. a prehistoric cave dweller. 2. a person of degraded, primitive, or brutal character. 3. a person living in seclusion. 4. a person unacquainted with affairs of the world. 5. an animal living underground.  6, a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes.


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[Lon371]

I know one thing for sure - you'll never know 'who's right' if you simply get your information from the mainstream media or shills such as Beck or Limbaugh.

Maybe we should go down to the protests and actually find out for ourselves?

Lets see if I don't get new from the "mainstreams or shills" I guess I will never find out who's right. I have a job and a life. No time for hanging out on private property and whining for change, while supporting the ones who facilitate the problems
 
Lonny

[ironglow]

I know one thing for sure - you'll never know 'who's right' if you simply get your information from the mainstream media or shills such as Beck or Limbaugh.

Maybe we should go down to the protests and actually find out for ourselves?

You referred to them as 'troglodites'....here is a definition.  They do seem to be everywhere.  And I do mean everywhere.

troglodyte -  noun 1. a prehistoric cave dweller. 2. a person of degraded, primitive, or brutal character. 3. a person living in seclusion. 4. a person unacquainted with affairs of the world. 5. an animal living underground.  6, a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes.


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   Specifically..#2, #4 and #6b....
 
   Meanwhile occupy Wall st has gone global ..and gone violent;  http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/15/world/occupy-goes-global/
 
    We should not be surprised, that is EXACTLY how the original Bolsheviks did it in 1917 !

[rio grande]

   "We should not be surprised, that is EXACTLY how the original Bolsheviks did it in 1917 !"

 
 I don't think so.
  The bolsheviks were MUCH more focused in their demands and very highly organized.
 The bolsheviks would not have allowed for a minute any of the more outlandish speakers like we see around the 'occupy' crowd.

[yellowtail3]

Maybe we should go down to the protests and actually find out for ourselves?

why would an ideologue want to do that? They might get an answer that doesn't fit their narrative...

[BUGEYE]

yesterday my wife and I met and listened to, some of the finest young people from 5yo to early 20s.
we were at Georgia mountain fair.  these kids played multiple instruments which shows their work ethic.  when you talked to one of them, they were polite and respectful.
the OWSers wouldn't make a scab on these peoples butts.

[magooch]

Can anyone supply an example of any of the occupiers who makes any sense whatsoever.  I've listened to all sorts of comments from those who have been interviewed and I have yet to hear any that knew what day it was--let alone anything about the economy, or Wall Street, or anything pertinent to our countries problems.  They (the occupiers) are as much the problem as anyone, or anything and in my book, they are not useful idiots; they are useless idiots, degenerates, slobs, misfits and ne'er-do-wells.  But that's just my opinion and I'm welcome to it.

[quasne.inc]

I think a bunch of ticked off people with no real plan and mob mentality is just a recipe for violence as we have seen in the world news lately.  I fear it will get much more out of hand and that this thing is going to get much worse.  I am just glad I dont live near any of these big cities where this ignorence is going on. 

[ironglow]

   "We should not be surprised, that is EXACTLY how the original Bolsheviks did it in 1917 !"

 
 I don't think so.
  The bolsheviks were MUCH more focused in their demands and very highly organized.
 The bolsheviks would not have allowed for a minute any of the more outlandish speakers like we see around the 'occupy' crowd.

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Rio;  Now you are getting comical...  First you say;
  " I know one thing for sure - you'll never know 'who's right' if you simply get your information from the mainstream media or shills such as Beck or Limbaugh.
Also I distrust carefully selected outrageous videos of possible planted 'spokespersons' -  likely not representative of all the protesters".
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Then above you are in effect, telling us these OCCUPIERS 'don't know what they are talking about..that the original Bolsheviks were much more focused.    Rather a "mixed message"
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  Then you tell us how our information, gleaned from the 'alphabet' networks, Fox News and the various journalists who submit  video interviews  is so inaccurate and faulty....
   Please share with us your greatly superior news sources..so we can be as enlightened as you are.  Please don't withold you sources of infinite wisdom from us !
 
l..My post outlined the opposing views of Beck & Rivera, suggesting we see which of the two is correct..Not hard to do  Beck says they get violent.. Rivera says they are harmless "cellar-dwellers"..just wait and see whos right

[ironglow]

  TM;
     Why did you choose to reprint of the American Declaration of Independence here ?  Was it just to take up bandwidth ?
 
     Certainly it has NO RELATIONSHIP to the mob now backed by the Nazis and communists...since our national founding fathers were neither Nazis nor Communists !
     http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46893

[rio grande]

   "We should not be surprised, that is EXACTLY how the original Bolsheviks did it in 1917 !"

 
 I don't think so.
  The bolsheviks were MUCH more focused in their demands and very highly organized.
 The bolsheviks would not have allowed for a minute any of the more outlandish speakers like we see around the 'occupy' crowd.

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Rio;  Now you are getting comical...  First you say;
  " I know one thing for sure - you'll never know 'who's right' if you simply get your information from the mainstream media or shills such as Beck or Limbaugh.
Also I distrust carefully selected outrageous videos of possible planted 'spokespersons' -  likely not representative of all the protesters".
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Then above you are in effect, telling us these OCCUPIERS 'don't know what they are talking about..that the original Bolsheviks were much more focused.    Rather a "mixed message"
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  Then you tell us how our information, gleaned from the 'alphabet' networks, Fox News and the various journalists who submit  video interviews  is so inaccurate and faulty....
   Please share with us your greatly superior news sources..so we can be as enlightened as you are.  Please don't withold you sources of infinite wisdom from us !
 
l..My post outlined the opposing views of Beck & Rivera, suggesting we see which of the two is correct..Not hard to do  Beck says they get violent.. Rivera says they are harmless "cellar-dwellers"..just wait and see whos right

Sorry for the confusion.  Seemed plain enough to me.

The occupiers make some good points - some of them, some of their points.  They are well-received by a lot of folks, as discontent with the status quo is widespread.
What you don't seem to understand is that the group is not designed to be 'controlled' - it's very open.... almost anyone can take the mic and say all kinds of things - most un-bolshevik. 

And it may seem confusing to you, but that very lack of control damages them....as we can see the big unions and Soros type leveraging in, the same way the Tea Party message was compromised by certain professional politicians and Koch Bros. types.

You will not get the whole story from the MSM...or from Limbaugh types.  You won't get it from one faction or the other. I don't have it. I'm simply suggesting we go and find out for ourselves before we condemn the protesters.

Re: how unlike these 'occupiers' from the bolsheviks - how do you think the bolsheviks would have dealt with this amateur James Bond?
http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd

[BUGEYE]

rio suggested that we could go see for ourselves, not me, you're liable to step in something.

[rio grande]

rio suggested that we could go see for ourselves, not me, you're liable to step in something.

BUGEYE, maybe I will go. And if I 'step in something' I'll let you know.
Wouldn't be the first time!

If I see or hear anything noteworthy, good or not, I'll let you all know.

[ironglow]

  Yes, the OCCUPIERS have some reasonable points..perhaps 1 or 2..   but most of their incoherent ramblings are not welcomed by the rational mind, but of course, old 'whacky weed' may have a part in that !
  I asked for examples of your sources..and perhjaps you should reassess before you cite GAWKER..a radical, far left website.