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Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« on: December 10, 2010, 05:15:08 PM »
then I got to thinkin', my 38-55 with .379ish bullets is only .020 bigger dia.(and .010 on a side) than a .359 in .357Mag/Maxi, and my light bullet at 250ish gr. is just fine (300gr. for heavy). This caliber is a .38 MMM ('Maggie,Maxie, Monster').
Its kinda like the 45-120 is to the 45-70.
I dont really need to keep looking for a .357M at all, nope, not me...........
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 05:55:40 PM »
I think you got it figgured. Hopefully you can find some reduced loads and have the versitility of the 357. Blue dot works real good making reduced loads for me.
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 10:04:31 PM »
 I understand what you are saying. but can you download it enough to be as quiet as .38 and recoil as little? just curious.

Usually we make up excuses to buy another rifle. I think you are falling off the wrong side of the Handi wagon :D

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2010, 11:33:58 PM »
The only logical Handiholic answer is to have both.......I do. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 06:02:56 AM »
As a longggg time handloader and dedicated cast bullet shooter I make every custom load I want. I dont have a 160-200 gr. bullet to try but the 250 loaded down is cheap and fun. Mostly I make my 'light' rifle loads run between 1250 and 1450 fps.; seems to be a happy place for me.
If a .357Mag Handi ever shows up around here at a fair price I will grab it, Im just not going to be obsessed with getting one no matter what, nope, not me, uh uh........
(See what restraint does, Richard........)
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 06:00:22 AM »
I is tempted to question the manhood of a Handi Owner who doesn't own a 357 Max (357 Mag doesn't count), but I would never do that to someone I like in a public forum. ;D

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 07:24:29 AM »
For those who dont know......BB IS my friend!
Wouldnt you know, now Im thinking about a 45-120, but I cant find my brass..........
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 09:02:11 AM »
gcrank1,

your RCBS 45 Basic brass works fine, unloaded a couple of dozen of them on the 200 yard range friday. ;D  Hop on your snow sled and head on over and I'll load you up some my Ty Specials to try in the 45-120. :P

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 11:21:47 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on December 12, 2010, 09:02:11 AM
gcrank1,
 Hop on your snow sled and head on over and your RCBS 45 Basic brasI'll load you up some my Ty Specials to try in the 45-120. :P

BB

Guys, jump on your snow sleds and come up here.....we've got more than enough snow to run on and bullets to shoot.  It gets lonly around here this time of year.  All the snowbirds are off for the balmy south.

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 11:53:34 AM »
Pete, appreciate the invite, but Im short on Husky's for the sled and once I got there I might be snowed in 'till breakup. My daddy always said,"guests, like fish, after 3 days begin to stink", so I'll spare you the nose holden'.
BTW, we've backpacked the Porcupine Mtns Wilderness up there years back when most used tents and small units in the two campgrounds, now most everyone has a big motorhome. The only way to really see the place (a true wilderness park) is to hoof it back in; it aint no drive through park.
 
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 01:19:12 PM »
 Well, I went just the opposite, I had the 38-55, traded it for the 357 maxi... Thought about just chopping the 38-55 as Tim did and Pete has. but I just never been that dedicated to lead bullets, certainly never to the point where I was limited to their use on game. Mine didn't shoot the .375s good enough...

Good luck with it, I'll be watching to see how yours turns out!!

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 04:07:54 AM »
CW, Ive had 2, first one I left as the BC-TM but put on the nice upgrade Williams target peep from H&R, then had an offer I couldnt refuse after it had sat most of a year neglected (you know how it is). It took a couple of years but I got another one, though not the last model after they figured out the right throat. I have worked my way around it.
This 2nd one Ive put my cin-lam Ultra Varmint wood on and scoped with vintage El Paso Weaver glass. It is a long barreled beauty that is sweet to shoot. I do like carbines, but this, and the 45-70 (which I dont have) I like long.
Im still enough of a luddite that I havent got to pics-101.
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 04:39:45 AM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on December 11, 2010, 06:02:56 AM
(See what restraint does, Richard........)

Restraint...  :(  I thought I had restraint...  ::)  Now I've just given up.   :(  Now I want a .357!   ::)  To make a Max!  Don't ask me why...  :-[  I'm just tired of fighting...  :'(

Get a mag...  Make it a maxie...  Then you'll want another mag...
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2010, 05:39:31 AM »
We are 'wintered in' so I sat down with my 'Cartridges of the World' last night and started re-visiting some of the interesting ones. I think a .357 Mag Handi could be rechambered pretty nicely to '35-30-30'; reamers and dies are available, it is an olddie, and will be about everything a 35 Rem is.
Anybody got 'multiple .357s' to give this one a try? It would be a step up from the Max, still be rimmed, cheap brass, and the 30-30 extractor will work (or just recut the orig.)
Of course, somebody has already done this and I missed it..........
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2010, 02:32:05 PM »
My lder brother has a 35-30-30 in a T/C Contender,I've rung the steel at 300 yards with it pretty easily. Would the twist rate for the 357 Mag/Max be compatible with the longer bullets of the 35-30-30? Might be an interesting conversion.
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2010, 04:53:15 PM »
If I come across another 357 barrel I'm gonna make it a 35 Remington or a 358 Winchester. I'm leaning towards the Winchester.



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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2010, 03:18:07 AM »
.357 is more fun than it sounds.

That said, if you reload cast, there is nothing you can't do better with a 30-30. Plus factory 30-30 ammo is as cheap as factory .357.
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2010, 03:43:58 AM »
Quote from: AtlLaw on December 13, 2010, 04:39:45 AM
Quote from: gcrank1 on December 11, 2010, 06:02:56 AM
(See what restraint does, Richard........)

Restraint...  :(  I thought I had restraint...  ::)  Now I've just given up.   :(  Now I want a .357!   ::)  To make a Max!  Don't ask me why...  :-[  I'm just tired of fighting...  :'(

Get a mag...  Make it a maxie...  Then you'll want another mag...

Richard, save yourself a lot of stress....get the .357....ream it to max. and relax.  Right after that you can get a .44 Mag and ream it to .445.  Then the .45LC would be up for .454 or .460.......Merry Christmas.

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2010, 03:53:38 AM »
So, if its a 'murder of crows' is it a 'grouping of Handies'?
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2010, 12:25:23 PM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on December 14, 2010, 03:53:38 AM
So, if its a 'murder of crows' is it a 'grouping of Handies'?

Down here in Ga. it's a passel or a sack full. ;D

Ben

BTW Richard....you gotta' have a 357 max.  It's one of the funnest ones out there.  And...and you can shoot cheap with them little 38's, Bullseye, and cast.  About 3 measley pennies a shot.  That justifies the barrel IMO.

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2010, 02:23:49 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on December 14, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
you gotta' have a 357 max.

I know Ben...  :-\  I'm keepin my eyes open for a barrel.  But, do you realise how many Handi's I have that I haven't even shot yet!?  I'm gonna have to retire just to get some range time in!   :-[
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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2010, 12:35:46 AM »
Quote from: AtlLaw on December 14, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: mechanic on December 14, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
you gotta' have a 357 max.

I know Ben...  :-\  I'm keepin my eyes open for a barrel.  But, do you realise how many Handi's I have that I haven't even shot yet!?  I'm gonna have to retire just to get some range time in!   :-[
Rich wish we where closer!! What a spectal we could be going to the range!! My last trip I had eight handis people came from way down the range to see what the excitement was!!! LOL

Just imagine if we got six of us with 8-10 handi's each all going to the same range together!!!! OMG!!! A good time we would have!!!!!!
Merry Christmas

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2010, 12:48:39 AM »
Quote from: cwlongshot on December 15, 2010, 12:35:46 AM
Quote from: AtlLaw on December 14, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: mechanic on December 14, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
you gotta' have a 357 max.

I know Ben...  :-\  I'm keepin my eyes open for a barrel.  But, do you realise how many Handi's I have that I haven't even shot yet!?  I'm gonna have to retire just to get some range time in!   :-[
Rich wish we where closer!! What a spectal we could be going to the range!! My last trip I had eight handis people came from way down the range to see what the excitement was!!! LOL

Just imagine if we got six of us with 8-10 handi's each all going to the same range together!!!! OMG!!! A good time we would have!!!!!!
Merry Christmas

CW

CW

I love going to the range with a truckload.  I always take the BC with some hot loads for those who would like to "try one".  I've got a sadistic streak......

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2010, 02:26:51 AM »
Ben, I love your "sadistic streak".  I have to admit to the same thing.  Give someone a Handi .357 to shoot with .38s and then a .45-70 loaded hot with .405s.  We'll probably meet in Hell for that one.  What did the Pres. call it "shock and awe".

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Re: Thought I wanted a .357Mag, but
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2010, 03:56:20 AM »
Yeah, that's what he said.
I was thinking that a Pardner 12ga. with a 3" Mag slug load would be pretty sadistic.
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