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Offline Two Bears

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« on: March 20, 2006, 09:22:00 PM »
I will try here....


Anyone use these LBT bullets before?

How about in a muzzleloader with sabots?

How about Lazer Cast bullets in a Muzzleloader with sabots?

Will they mushroom at all???


I am looking for a bullet in .451 - .452 at 300 grain that I can use in my T/C encore 209X50 (and other muzzleloaders) for target and hunting but would need them to mushroom (a bit) and not stay looking like I never shot it.

Do you know of any bullet makers that makes a bullet like this that is softer?   If LBT and Lazer Cast are too hard?

Thanks for your help

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2006, 08:32:33 PM »
OH COME ON GUY'S AND GAL'S

Some of you must use these types of bullets........Don't ya????
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2006, 11:59:32 PM »
Two Bears, when using cast bullets on game one is not interested in "mushrooming", as with modern jacketed bullets.  Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton and a host of writiers from previous generations have dissected and discussed the use of cast bullets on game and the results and preferences are pretty well etched in stone.  With cast bullets you play one game, penetration. That's one reason the LBT's are cast so hard.  That and the velocitites they're often driven to.  I've used LBT's in my Freedom Arms Mod. 97 with excellent results.

In my Shiloh Sharps I cast my own with 25-1 and shoot targets and game with them.  I've only recovered two bullets from game as penetration is almost always complete, even lengthways, and neither exhibited enough expansion to call it such.  Only when heavier bone is struck do you see anything that could remotely be considered expansion.  In reality, in my opinion, it's actually more like a smearing off of the bullet nose instead of expansion as we consider it to be.

If you want expansion with a lead projectile stay with a patched round ball.
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You must remember that when shooting a 45 cal. or larger  bullet, whether truncated cone, semi-wadcutter or some other flat to semi-flat point design, the bullet is starting out in a diameter most bullets can only hope to expand to.

I couldn't tell you a thing about sabot's as I only shoot PRB in my muzzleloaders, mostly flintlocks, quite effectively I might add.   I'm sure there are outfits who cast softer bullets but mostly they'll be bullet designs for BPC rifles.

With cast bullets, forget expansion.....and do some reading on the subject.

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2006, 05:18:44 AM »
Thanks for the welth of information about the LBT bullets.

I will have to look for some reading on this type of bullets to learn more.
While I am doing that I think that I will be ordering some Lazer Cast bullest to try out, they are similar to LBT's and are cheap so I can expierment with them and it won't cost too much.

Thanks!
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2006, 01:47:26 PM »
Two Bears:

You can also try MT. Baldy bullets. They have a pretty good selection and are low priced.
http://www.mtbaldybullets.com/

Michael