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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2007, 08:25:57 PM »
The non-white invasion of the US is very different from white European immigration of years past.  The non-whites, largly made of of Mestizos from Mexico and other latin american countries, hate white people, hate America and openly proclaim their intentions to dispossess us of our country.

The State of California is already a plitical subdivision of Mexico.  Los Angeles and dozens of other cities in metropolitan Southern California, have Mexican mayors and city councils.  Last month, the Los Angeles City Council issued a proclaimation against the practice of white people protesting the Mestizo invasion on the grounds that it was "hate speech."  (Hate sppech is speech that  non-white minorities hate to hear.)

The California State Senate and Assembly are both controlled by Mexicans. 

For decades pro-American activists have warned of the danger of California being overrun by Mestizo invaders.  Now Mestizo gangs basically rule hundreds of square miles of Southern California cities and neighborhoods.  Last week there was an international conference to discuss gang violence and Los Angeles was proclaimed the international capital of latin american gangs.  There are reportedly at least 39, 000 militant criminal gang members operating with impunity in Mexican controlled southern California communities.  The same Mestizo gangs whose existence has been denied by the powers that be for decades are now revealed as having substantial street and political influence.

In California it is now  impossible for white Americans  to assemble peaceably, either on public or priavate property, without police protection on those rare ocassions when police protection is  actually provided.  I have personally attended rallies during the last decade and observed Mestizos openly attack white people.  The cops usually do nothing.  If a white defends himsself/herself, by comparison, he/she will be arrested for assault.  Mexicans and other nonwhite  immigrants come from cultures of corruption, gang violence and crime. They have no traditions of freedom of speech or free plolitical activity and, lackiing any comprehension of these traditions, they have no respect for them.  They are pack animals who form mobs that  stalk and attack  less numerous white people who are gathered to exercise the most fundamental American civil rights of  peaceable assembly and freedom of speech.  More often than not, they do so with the protection of Mexican controlled citiy governments and police forces.

The latest tactic in California is that the police target whites who are involved in opposing the Mestizo invasion, request search warrants based on trumped of allegations of "hate crimess" (i.e. disagreeing with non-white political agitators), and then ransacking the white peoples' homes and confiscating their computers and cameras and whatever else they want to take.  These corrupt Mexican controlled police can keep the white person's property for up to three years.  Recourse agaisnt this means thousands of dollars in attorney's fees in order to challenge bogus search warrants in court and to file and prosecute civil rights law suits in federal court against corrupt  Mexican controlled municipal police forces and governments.



I agree with most of what you say except for parts of the first paragraph.  The white europeans were not benevolent with the indigenous peoples they found in the New World.  Actual history is replete with incidents of brutality and bad faith dealings initiated by the whites.  If it were today and the Pennsylvania govenor (then, Mr. Scranton) gave smallpox infected blankets to the Delaware, he'd be tried for crimes against humanity and employing WMD's.  Yankee general Phil Sheridian is credited with the saying that "the only good indian is a dead indian".  Imagine how that would impact his military career path today?  Some would simply say that what Mexicans are now doing is karma.

Karma?  What the hell does that mean?  That dirty rotten whites are only getting what they deserve by having their country stolen by a sub race of people who could not create a decent society in 500 years and still have problems figuring out indoor plumbing? 

I have to live around these vermin every single day in metropolitan southern California.  They urinate and defacate all over the place. Downtown Los Angeles is crawling with them and  reeks from the stench of their  excriment and urine.  I was walking into a county building and one of them was standing on the steps in the middle of the day, urinating in plain sight. Public restrooms were no more than 50 feet away.  We have a resurgence of tuberculosis.   These filthy,  stinking 3d worlders are heavily employed in the food handling industry.   Think about that the next time you eat out at a restaurant.   

I'm sick and tired of hearing about what "we" did to the Indians.  Do you think the Indians would give back their electricity, indoor plumbing and multi-billion dollar gambling casinos in exchange for returning to their stoneage life styles?  I doubt it. If you think America deserves to be destroyed by these aboriginal throwbacks to the stoneage, you're entitled to your opinion.  Just don't expect civilized human beings who are descended from Europeans who developed the scientific and navigational skills to circle the globe and ultimately go to the moon to share your  guilt ridden views.

Why do Mexicans justify coming here?  To share the "American Dream."  Why haven't they created a "Mexican Dream" in their own country?  Because they can't.  They come here, destroy our hospitals, our public schools and every other public thing worth having.  The jails are full of them.  You drive through their neighborhoods and it's like a different world.

During the last 25 years we in Southern California have been told how wonderful are these "immigrants", even as these immigrants have transformed hundreds of square miles of sparkling American cities into filthy stinking Mexican slums like those they came here to escape. 

These peopel are not uplifted by our country. We are dragged down into the sewer by them.  White people have largely stopped having kids because they can't afford them, after the crushing tax burden in order to pay for free health care, free education, foods stamps, etc.,  for the Mexicans who come here illegally, so that the Mexicans can have 10 kids per family.   


They vote illegally and have given California a permanent Democratic party majority.  If you defend that, what are you doing on a pro-gun web site? Mexicans do not support constitutional rights of any kind.
   

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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2007, 12:48:00 AM »
The non-white invasion of the US is very different from white European immigration of years past.  The non-whites, largly made of of Mestizos from Mexico and other latin american countries, hate white people, hate America and openly proclaim their intentions to dispossess us of our country.

The State of California is already a plitical subdivision of Mexico.  Los Angeles and dozens of other cities in metropolitan Southern California, have Mexican mayors and city councils.  Last month, the Los Angeles City Council issued a proclaimation against the practice of white people protesting the Mestizo invasion on the grounds that it was "hate speech."  (Hate sppech is speech that  non-white minorities hate to hear.)

The California State Senate and Assembly are both controlled by Mexicans. 

For decades pro-American activists have warned of the danger of California being overrun by Mestizo invaders.  Now Mestizo gangs basically rule hundreds of square miles of Southern California cities and neighborhoods.  Last week there was an international conference to discuss gang violence and Los Angeles was proclaimed the international capital of latin american gangs.  There are reportedly at least 39, 000 militant criminal gang members operating with impunity in Mexican controlled southern California communities.  The same Mestizo gangs whose existence has been denied by the powers that be for decades are now revealed as having substantial street and political influence.

In California it is now  impossible for white Americans  to assemble peaceably, either on public or priavate property, without police protection on those rare ocassions when police protection is  actually provided.  I have personally attended rallies during the last decade and observed Mestizos openly attack white people.  The cops usually do nothing.  If a white defends himsself/herself, by comparison, he/she will be arrested for assault.  Mexicans and other nonwhite  immigrants come from cultures of corruption, gang violence and crime. They have no traditions of freedom of speech or free plolitical activity and, lackiing any comprehension of these traditions, they have no respect for them.  They are pack animals who form mobs that  stalk and attack  less numerous white people who are gathered to exercise the most fundamental American civil rights of  peaceable assembly and freedom of speech.  More often than not, they do so with the protection of Mexican controlled citiy governments and police forces.

The latest tactic in California is that the police target whites who are involved in opposing the Mestizo invasion, request search warrants based on trumped of allegations of "hate crimess" (i.e. disagreeing with non-white political agitators), and then ransacking the white peoples' homes and confiscating their computers and cameras and whatever else they want to take.  These corrupt Mexican controlled police can keep the white person's property for up to three years.  Recourse agaisnt this means thousands of dollars in attorney's fees in order to challenge bogus search warrants in court and to file and prosecute civil rights law suits in federal court against corrupt  Mexican controlled municipal police forces and governments.



I agree with most of what you say except for parts of the first paragraph.  The white europeans were not benevolent with the indigenous peoples they found in the New World.  Actual history is replete with incidents of brutality and bad faith dealings initiated by the whites.  If it were today and the Pennsylvania govenor (then, Mr. Scranton) gave smallpox infected blankets to the Delaware, he'd be tried for crimes against humanity and employing WMD's.  Yankee general Phil Sheridian is credited with the saying that "the only good indian is a dead indian".  Imagine how that would impact his military career path today?  Some would simply say that what Mexicans are now doing is karma.

Karma?  What the hell does that mean?  That dirty rotten whites are only getting what they deserve by having their country stolen by a sub race of people who could not create a decent society in 500 years and still have problems figuring out indoor plumbing? 

I have to live around these vermin every single day in metropolitan southern California.  They urinate and defacate all over the place. Downtown Los Angeles is crawling with them and  reeks from the stench of their  excriment and urine.  I was walking into a county building and one of them was standing on the steps in the middle of the day, urinating in plain sight. Public restrooms were no more than 50 feet away.  We have a resurgence of tuberculosis.   These filthy,  stinking 3d worlders are heavily employed in the food handling industry.   Think about that the next time you eat out at a restaurant.   

I'm sick and tired of hearing about what "we" did to the Indians.  Do you think the Indians would give back their electricity, indoor plumbing and multi-billion dollar gambling casinos in exchange for returning to their stoneage life styles?  I doubt it. If you think America deserves to be destroyed by these aboriginal throwbacks to the stoneage, you're entitled to your opinion.  Just don't expect civilized human beings who are descended from Europeans who developed the scientific and navigational skills to circle the globe and ultimately go to the moon to share your  guilt ridden views.

Why do Mexicans justify coming here?  To share the "American Dream."  Why haven't they created a "Mexican Dream" in their own country?  Because they can't.  They come here, destroy our hospitals, our public schools and every other public thing worth having.  The jails are full of them.  You drive through their neighborhoods and it's like a different world.

During the last 25 years we in Southern California have been told how wonderful are these "immigrants", even as these immigrants have transformed hundreds of square miles of sparkling American cities into filthy stinking Mexican slums like those they came here to escape. 

These peopel are not uplifted by our country. We are dragged down into the sewer by them.  White people have largely stopped having kids because they can't afford them, after the crushing tax burden in order to pay for free health care, free education, foods stamps, etc.,  for the Mexicans who come here illegally, so that the Mexicans can have 10 kids per family.   


They vote illegally and have given California a permanent Democratic party majority.  If you defend that, what are you doing on a pro-gun web site? Mexicans do not support constitutional rights of any kind.
   

Quite the "civilized" response, eh?

I agreed with you except for a couple of items and you go off on a rant that I support illegal Mexican immigration.  Your thought process seems aberant or possibly a result of Anal-Optic Syndrome?

A few things suddenly became apparent.  First, your condescending "white superiority" attitude belies a far greater problem.  While my Celtic ancestors were still wearing animal skins and worshipping pagan gods my Yuchi ancestors were having pyramids built, forming the Kushan Empire and sailing the world with (thankfully) some of them landing/settling in South Carolina & Florida.

Second, you don't know squat about NA culture and history especially pre-Columbian.  Educate yourself better in this respect before displaying an attitude that can only be described as barbaric.

Third, as you've labelled me a commie does that mean I hafta turn in my NRA life membership?

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2007, 02:16:45 AM »
Igm270, I like Telahnay's g'son was agreeing with you before the rant. The white european goverment was less than kind to the Cherokee which I am. They took everything they (the Cherokee) had, and moved them at gun point to Oklahoma. Andrew Jackson if memory serves me correctly tried to wipe out the Seminole in Florida. Osceola was told to come in and sign a treaty. When he got there they hung him.
To say that we are being reduced to a third world country by illegal immigration I would also agree.  Your description of southern Ca. is fairly accurate also, but you are spueing out white supremacy with a track record of white behavior that is less than admiral in many cases in American history. To take the observation one step further, our goverment which has allowed the conditions to evolve that you are so upset about, is predominately WHITE.jmho
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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2007, 06:31:52 PM »
The non-white invasion of the US is very different from white European immigration of years past.  The non-whites, largly made of of Mestizos from Mexico and other latin american countries, hate white people, hate America and openly proclaim their intentions to dispossess us of our country.

The State of California is already a plitical subdivision of Mexico.  Los Angeles and dozens of other cities in metropolitan Southern California, have Mexican mayors and city councils.  Last month, the Los Angeles City Council issued a proclaimation against the practice of white people protesting the Mestizo invasion on the grounds that it was "hate speech."  (Hate sppech is speech that  non-white minorities hate to hear.)

The California State Senate and Assembly are both controlled by Mexicans. 

For decades pro-American activists have warned of the danger of California being overrun by Mestizo invaders.  Now Mestizo gangs basically rule hundreds of square miles of Southern California cities and neighborhoods.  Last week there was an international conference to discuss gang violence and Los Angeles was proclaimed the international capital of latin american gangs.  There are reportedly at least 39, 000 militant criminal gang members operating with impunity in Mexican controlled southern California communities.  The same Mestizo gangs whose existence has been denied by the powers that be for decades are now revealed as having substantial street and political influence.

In California it is now  impossible for white Americans  to assemble peaceably, either on public or priavate property, without police protection on those rare ocassions when police protection is  actually provided.  I have personally attended rallies during the last decade and observed Mestizos openly attack white people.  The cops usually do nothing.  If a white defends himsself/herself, by comparison, he/she will be arrested for assault.  Mexicans and other nonwhite  immigrants come from cultures of corruption, gang violence and crime. They have no traditions of freedom of speech or free plolitical activity and, lackiing any comprehension of these traditions, they have no respect for them.  They are pack animals who form mobs that  stalk and attack  less numerous white people who are gathered to exercise the most fundamental American civil rights of  peaceable assembly and freedom of speech.  More often than not, they do so with the protection of Mexican controlled citiy governments and police forces.

The latest tactic in California is that the police target whites who are involved in opposing the Mestizo invasion, request search warrants based on trumped of allegations of "hate crimess" (i.e. disagreeing with non-white political agitators), and then ransacking the white peoples' homes and confiscating their computers and cameras and whatever else they want to take.  These corrupt Mexican controlled police can keep the white person's property for up to three years.  Recourse agaisnt this means thousands of dollars in attorney's fees in order to challenge bogus search warrants in court and to file and prosecute civil rights law suits in federal court against corrupt  Mexican controlled municipal police forces and governments.



I agree with most of what you say except for parts of the first paragraph.  The white europeans were not benevolent with the indigenous peoples they found in the New World.  Actual history is replete with incidents of brutality and bad faith dealings initiated by the whites.  If it were today and the Pennsylvania govenor (then, Mr. Scranton) gave smallpox infected blankets to the Delaware, he'd be tried for crimes against humanity and employing WMD's.  Yankee general Phil Sheridian is credited with the saying that "the only good indian is a dead indian".  Imagine how that would impact his military career path today?  Some would simply say that what Mexicans are now doing is karma.

Karma?  What the hell does that mean?  That dirty rotten whites are only getting what they deserve by having their country stolen by a sub race of people who could not create a decent society in 500 years and still have problems figuring out indoor plumbing? 

I have to live around these vermin every single day in metropolitan southern California.  They urinate and defacate all over the place. Downtown Los Angeles is crawling with them and  reeks from the stench of their  excriment and urine.  I was walking into a county building and one of them was standing on the steps in the middle of the day, urinating in plain sight. Public restrooms were no more than 50 feet away.  We have a resurgence of tuberculosis.   These filthy,  stinking 3d worlders are heavily employed in the food handling industry.   Think about that the next time you eat out at a restaurant.   

I'm sick and tired of hearing about what "we" did to the Indians.  Do you think the Indians would give back their electricity, indoor plumbing and multi-billion dollar gambling casinos in exchange for returning to their stoneage life styles?  I doubt it. If you think America deserves to be destroyed by these aboriginal throwbacks to the stoneage, you're entitled to your opinion.  Just don't expect civilized human beings who are descended from Europeans who developed the scientific and navigational skills to circle the globe and ultimately go to the moon to share your  guilt ridden views.

Why do Mexicans justify coming here?  To share the "American Dream."  Why haven't they created a "Mexican Dream" in their own country?  Because they can't.  They come here, destroy our hospitals, our public schools and every other public thing worth having.  The jails are full of them.  You drive through their neighborhoods and it's like a different world.

During the last 25 years we in Southern California have been told how wonderful are these "immigrants", even as these immigrants have transformed hundreds of square miles of sparkling American cities into filthy stinking Mexican slums like those they came here to escape. 

These peopel are not uplifted by our country. We are dragged down into the sewer by them.  White people have largely stopped having kids because they can't afford them, after the crushing tax burden in order to pay for free health care, free education, foods stamps, etc.,  for the Mexicans who come here illegally, so that the Mexicans can have 10 kids per family.   


They vote illegally and have given California a permanent Democratic party majority.  If you defend that, what are you doing on a pro-gun web site? Mexicans do not support constitutional rights of any kind.
   

Quite the "civilized" response, eh?

I agreed with you except for a couple of items and you go off on a rant that I support illegal Mexican immigration.  Your thought process seems aberant or possibly a result of Anal-Optic Syndrome?

A few things suddenly became apparent.  First, your condescending "white superiority" attitude belies a far greater problem.  While my Celtic ancestors were still wearing animal skins and worshipping pagan gods my Yuchi ancestors were having pyramids built, forming the Kushan Empire and sailing the world with (thankfully) some of them landing/settling in South Carolina & Florida.

Second, you don't know squat about NA culture and history especially pre-Columbian.  Educate yourself better in this respect before displaying an attitude that can only be described as barbaric.

Third, as you've labelled me a commie does that mean I hafta turn in my NRA life membership?



You're right. I don't know squat about NA  "culture" or your Yuchi ancestors either.  Is there some reason that I should know something about them?  What did the Yuchis create or invent that effects my life:  electricity?  atomic energy? airplanes? radio? steam power?  internal combustion engine? space ships?  computers? Television? written language? printing press? paper? interplanetary travel? firearms? 

How interesting that a Yuchi ancestor is on accessing an internet web site using a white man's  computer, white man's electrcity, white man's written language, discussing white man's firearms,  and insulting a member of the whtie race that created all those miracles.

I make no apology for my condesending European attitude.   Europeans circumnavigated the globe, went to the moon, and  created planes, trains, automoblies, space travel,  computers and thousands of other miracles.

What did Non-whites like you  create? "White guilt" that's what.   You need us to survive. We don't need you. 



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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2007, 07:49:26 PM »
Condescending and European were not the first adjectives, regarding your attitude that came to mind. 

However, any of the adjectives that first sprang to mind could be interpreted as a personal attack, which would violate forum rules.  Thus as I cannot avail myself of the adjectives that first sprang to mind, such as, ignorant, bigoted, racist intolerant, or hateful, because these could easily be construed as a personal attack, and that would be wrong, so I can only conclude that your views are due to a physical cause.

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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2007, 02:40:17 AM »
Igm270, you no doubt by your words feel superior as a european decendent. But, you don't by your written word sound superior. A mental image might produce no hair, and tattoos of swasticas and iron crosses. Possibly even an old truck and a yard full of hounds. If we got more into the issue of America, would we not call the land you live on "STOLEN". That would certainly add another dimension to the european. ;)
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2007, 04:27:07 PM »
lgm270's attitude is only the result of being backed into a corner by haters and invaders disguised as "multiculturalists" (not you Dee) and seeing a once-beautiful land turned into quite something else.   It's understandable, however reactionary.
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2007, 04:47:59 PM »
lgm270's attitude is only the result of being backed into a corner by haters and invaders disguised as "multiculturalists" (not you Dee) and seeing a once-beautiful land turned into quite something else.   It's understandable, however reactionary.
Sad days ahead.

It's also a result of being presented with factual history and absent the ability to discuss things intelligently, going off on (another) personal attack rant.

I tend to regard myself as a plain ol' common as gully dirt  "AMERICAN" w/o any hyphenation thereof.

Maybe, Igm270 should first read Dr. Suess' "The Sneeches" to help gain an appreciation of what being a real human being is all about.



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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2007, 07:40:07 PM »
lgm270's attitude is only the result of being backed into a corner by haters and invaders disguised as "multiculturalists" (not you Dee) and seeing a once-beautiful land turned into quite something else.   It's understandable, however reactionary.
Sad days ahead.

It's also a result of being presented with factual history and absent the ability to discuss things intelligently, going off on (another) personal attack rant.

I tend to regard myself as a plain ol' common as gully dirt  "AMERICAN" w/o any hyphenation thereof.

Maybe, Igm270 should first read Dr. Suess' "The Sneeches" to help gain an appreciation of what being a real human being is all about.


I challenged you to identify a single invention or other contribution by the Yuchi that had any relevance to modern life and you come up with a Dr. Suess book.  What a joke.

If you want to gain an appreciation of what being a "real human being" is like switch from children's books to the Declaration  of Independence,  Madison's Notes on the Debates, the Federalist Papers, the Adams-Jefferson Letters,  or William Barret  Travis' last letter from the  Alamo, in which he expressed his resolve not to surrender to filthy stinking Mexicans who had him surrounded and who had shelled him and his men for 24 hours.  He had the same opinion of them that I have and probably for much the same reasons. 


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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2007, 10:29:00 PM »
lgm270's attitude is only the result of being backed into a corner by haters and invaders disguised as "multiculturalists" (not you Dee) and seeing a once-beautiful land turned into quite something else.   It's understandable, however reactionary.
Sad days ahead.

It's also a result of being presented with factual history and absent the ability to discuss things intelligently, going off on (another) personal attack rant.

I tend to regard myself as a plain ol' common as gully dirt  "AMERICAN" w/o any hyphenation thereof.

Maybe, Igm270 should first read Dr. Suess' "The Sneeches" to help gain an appreciation of what being a real human being is all about.


I challenged you to identify a single invention or other contribution by the Yuchi that had any relevance to modern life and you come up with a Dr. Suess book.  What a joke.

This just goes to show that you really don't "get it" do ya?  As far as modern day relevance goes, it wasn't until recently that how the pyramids were built was fully understood.  The complex (and yet exceedingly simple) mathematics, geometrics and physics that went into their construction took ~5K years for "modern" man to fully comprehend.

Have you checked your belly for a "star" lately?  ::)
 

If you want to gain an appreciation of what being a "real human being" is like switch from children's books to the Declaration  of Independence,  Madison's Notes on the Debates, the Federalist Papers, the Adams-Jefferson Letters,  or William Barret  Travis' last letter from the  Alamo, in which he expressed his resolve not to surrender to filthy stinking Mexicans who had him surrounded and who had shelled him and his men for 24 hours.  He had the same opinion of them that I have and probably for much the same reasons. 



All you've been able to demonstrate is a "filthy stinking" hatred for a specific ethnic group.  Don't even try and lump yourself into the league of Col. Travis as you couldn't begin to appreciate the valor of that gentleman from Alabama.
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2007, 11:42:55 PM »
I do remember a little of what I learned about the Mexican American War. One of things I do remember is that the American commanding general, Im sorry I cant remember his name, was severely criticized for halting the American advance outside Mexico City partly for humanitarian reasons, I believe to allow a better evacuation of civilians and because his men were exhausted. That war did much both good and bad to shape the military careers and dispositions of officers who later were major participants in the War Of Northern Agression. It seems the yankee govt was only concerned with winning. I blame our govenment both present and past for those people hating us. I know the Mexicans are only looking for a better life much like some of the poor southern folks have for so long. I do sympathise with the Native Americans. How many are left now regardless of what modern life has given them. Has being forced to live in a world full of parking lots really been that good compared to the FREEDOM they once had. I am part Cherokee myself and try to live as free as I can be. Life for the far norther tribes in Canada has in history been a lot different than what happened to the Native Americans. They were for the most part peacably integrated into white society. The Alaskan natives had first the Russians to deal with which was a bad time for some of them but things were better there when the Americans purchased Alaska from the Russians and trade with the whites and the introduction of the fur trade actually improved their way of life until the animal rights activist segment of white culture started interfering in the seal harvest and last I heard many were on welfare and doing drugs because of the interuption in their way of life. 

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2007, 02:31:14 AM »
Let us touch on Willaim Barrett Travis for a moment. Travis was not from Alabama but, from Auluada County, South Carlolina. I have also visited that monument. Before coming to Texas he ABANDONED his wife and small daughter, in favor of adventure. I have viewed his letter from the Alamo, and he made no mention of "filthy stinking mexicans". He did however exhibit the quality of communication thru words required to arouse gallantry. He was either very brave or very foolish. Sometimes one can be mistook for the other. We will never know which it was. However we do know that his stand bought Houston some time in getting organized.
As far as the poor mexican illegal. Mexico is one of the RICHEST countries in the world as far as natural resources, however these riches are controled by one of the most corrupt goverments in the world. A goverment that our goverment loves to do business with. The mexican national is like the coyote and the briar patch. The coyote will leave the rabbit in the briar patch, and seek something easier. The mexican has no loyalty to his homeland or he would wrest it from such a goverment. He proclaims his love, with flag waving and mexican holiday celebrations. But he does so in the USA, at the expense of ALL Americans, and with the APPROVAL of the U.S. goverment, whom care nothing for anything other than holding on to their own growing power, while we, like the mexican, argue among ourselves, and insult one another.jmo
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2007, 11:43:37 AM »
The Mexicans are here again like back in the 1920s I believe because our govt. thinks its in their best interest to just let them in and dont really care if they overrun us and drain our economy, public medical facilities and other public welfare programs. The lower class blacks for the most part resent them for taking their place in those areas. I agree that the Mexican govt. is corrupt and the major cause of the problems in their own country. I personally find it disgusting how so many of the dollar oriented capitalist government supporting people have been so quick to hang a Mexican flag in front of their businesses with aparently no thought or care for the heritage and sacrifices of the brave American soldiers and volunteers who sacrificed all in The Alamo and the rest of that war.

While William Barrett Travis did have the abandonment of his family in his past could we say that all soldiers who leave their families to go to war are abandoning them if they dont have the support of their families? Did Travis have any intention of ever going home to his family? Perhaps not or not at the time but people sometimes do make difficult decisions they regret. Travis being surrounded and cut off with orders to hold without hope of reenforcment had no choice but to stay and fight unless he just cut an ran in the night or became a coward and hid from his responsibilities as a leader neither of which he did and went down fighting and inspiring his men to go to their glorious end in spite of his feelings of being misled and betrayed to a horrible end by being trapped in that little barely defensible mission in front of a vastly superior force.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2007, 12:25:10 PM »
I can't agree or disagree with you on Travis' awareness of the situation or his intentions regarding his wife and child. The way the history relates his wife and child, he didn't plan on going back necessarily. As far as his courage, I don't think from what I have read of him, his ego would have allowed him to run from an impending nuclear holocost. To say that he was not a valuable asset to Texas winning the war, would however be an error. As I said, he bought valuable time for Houston, and paid the price.
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2007, 06:21:24 PM »
Im agreeing with you Dee and you did get a grin out of me with Travis" ego and the nuclear holocost thing. ;D Houston and Travis were in a difficult situation there like many times in history where Americans have paid with their lives to buy time. I believe in that case they had the American settlers in mind and couldnt just make a tactical withdrawal to the north. I did want to take a look at the possibility that history might have let Travis be criticized a little too much for leaving his family to seek his destiny in the war, to go off seeking adventure, because he felt it was his patriotic duty or whatever the case was then when many others in times before him had made it fashonable to seek fame and fortune in a war or became heroes like in The Revolution. That dont make leaving his family right but in that light I believe it is at least more understandable. You stated the facts and I have thrown some conjecture in there only in an effort to try to understand the history of the man and times better and maybe give him some justice for something that history may have been a little too one sided with. Some people think history is boring but I find it fascinating myself, especially military history, The Old West, the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade era and Native American history.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2007, 02:00:38 AM »
I also ncmountainman. I read about the causes of the civil war, and wonder how one issue caused such a war. In research most involved I find that it was not any one issue, but mostly the struggle for control on many issues. I believe power was the primary issue.
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2007, 12:55:25 PM »
Yes Dee, power sometimes hidden by subterfuge and the more easily seen hands of power struggling to decide the issues. I would like to see Bush vs. Bin Laden in a 1-1 myself, no high stakes like world domination or any thing, just them beating the crap out of each other.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2007, 01:16:32 PM »
How about their wrists tied together, and pocket knives with one inch blades? ;D
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2007, 01:27:32 PM »
Yeah   ;D   ;D   and the loser assuming they both survived would have to do something like wash camels or cars in a prominent location such as Pennsylvania Ave. or somewhere in the far east like downtown Cairo and have it put on CNN.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2007, 02:29:37 AM »
I guess we shouldnt make too much fun out of Curious George W. I mean he did turn the country around 360 degrees compared to what his father did.

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« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2007, 08:09:52 AM »
If he had stopped at 180 degrees we might have been better. 360 means we're still headed in the same direction as before.
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2007, 08:28:00 PM »
I know it is Dee. If there was a direction more into a straight nose dive than a 360 back into what we had before than that would express what I believe they are leading us into..Lol  ;D

Once when Curious George W was governor he got a call from the state prison where a condemned convict was about to have his sentance carried out in the electric chair. Curious George W thought about calling back but decided to watch TV instead. The lights went on and off in the governors mansion but he didnt care and had an ice cream.

Maybe we would fare better if it was The Governator vs. Bin Laden, assuming we could tear him away from all those Hollywood premiers where the young good looking starlets hang out.

Is Dirty Harry too old to run for President? I bet he would kick some rag head butts.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2007, 12:41:50 AM »
Well that's an interesting story from Texas, but we haven't used "Ole Sparky" (our electric chair) in years and years over here in Texas. It was moth-balled long before George W took office. We use lethal injection just like the other more civilized states do. We just use it more often. He was actually a pretty fair governor, but, I think he is in over his head in D.C. He got up there and hired the same ole people his dad hired, and he has lost what little touch he had with the common man.
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2007, 04:02:38 AM »
Yeah Dee I guess its time for a more serious note. I believe Kennedy had the same type of problem with bad advisors during the Bay Of Pigs incident. My father was in the air force during that time and he along with a captain burned the scrapped invasion maps for Cuba. I believe J.F.K. did have more of touch with the common folk and could even speak a little German. "Ich bein ein Berliner" is what I think he said in a speech to the West Germans and got a thunderous applause from them. I guess ole George aint half bad. At least nobodys invaded us yet unless you count the Mexicans and he just inherited that problem. Anyway Ill quit pickin on George W Bush out of my deep respect for the people in Texan and my afinity for the fine state of Texas and its history.

I hear its really dangerous for anyone to be out in the desert and in some other places along the border with all those drug runners, illegal immigrants, border patrols and vigilantes out there. I read one thing about that where a trapper in New Mexico is operating in one of those areas and I saw a TV show where the drug runners really shot up a mans house with AK47s. I dont know if that particular situation could be classified as Racial tension in America but I figure it might be adding more fuel to the fire.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2007, 05:03:34 AM »
ncmountainman, I'm from Texas - my family has been here since the late 1840's, and I won't hesitate to criticize g. Bush.  He has had many years to deal w/ the illegal immigration issue, a problem any real Texas Sheriff could handle given the funds and the leeway, and he has not only not stopped it but he has encouraged it.
G. Bush is a disaster, plain and simple.
And 'vigilantes'?  There might be one vigilante for every 500,000 illegals, if we are lucky.  I wish there were a million vigilantes right now.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2007, 05:51:27 AM »
ncmountainman, I'm from Texas

And 'vigilantes'?  There might be one vigilante for every 500,000 illegals, if we are lucky.  I wish there were a million vigilantes right now.

You've got the right idea.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2007, 01:53:40 PM »
ncmoutainman, I ain't defending GW. I think he's in over his head. I just said he a FAIR governor, not the best one we have ever had. I sorta agree with rio grande, he had several years to take care of the illegals but, he like em.
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2007, 12:54:51 AM »
I agree with all you guys and Im not just saying that. I did however think it was a good idea not to let the whole state of Texas think I was out of hand badmouthing anything that came out of Texas.   ;D  Yes GW has had plenty of time to do something like build a double fence patrolled with dogs, guard towers close enough to safeguard the dogs, an effective overlapping field of fire and quick response teams along with a few roving patrols instead of just wasting gas riding around all night and giving taxi rides back across the border or some other reasonable plan besides giving away tax money to I guess in his or his advisors opinion look like the good guy. Vigilantes or militias are our last line of defence when they let us down weather the govt. likes it or not. Then there are the idiots that take truckloads of water and supplies out in the desert and make sure they know where to come through even in areas that werent a problem before. I say just let em dry out in the sun like dead lizards myself. Im sorry if that doesnt leave much room for a humanitarian solution but maybe the govt. squandered too much time for a third solution to be effective in time or worried too much about treaties and other political considerations instead of taking a hard line approach to do what is right. Is our coast guard and navy going to patrol the whole of the southern half of the continent to keep terrorists from entering from the south? The govt. stopped a handful of elite Nazi commando sabotuers that got out of a U-boat in WW2 but they dont appear to be able to stop a few drug boats and what seems to be half the country being on cocaine now. Of course there is a lot of money changing hands all the way down the line somewhere in that situation. maybe its easier to get something across the border with so many things moving in the night.

Sorry Dee, I didnt mean to cause you to appear to be in that position. If there is any fault there then it rests with me for getting carried away with poking fun at the establishment instead of taking more of an objective look at whats really going on. That is what I believe they are really afraid of anyway. I get the strong feeling that they would rather see us swamped in problems than see what the other hand is doing. That is a sad and frightening thought. I wonder at what point America can still be able to save herself.

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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2007, 01:59:41 PM »
I may have already said this on this thread, but I'll say it again if I did. America's mind is on bass boats, football, nascar, video games, tv, movies and sex. Look who has the most money. ACTORS, SPORTS FIGURES, AND COMPUTER GAME COMPANIES. This has become a ME WORLD as far as Americans are concerned. Let the politicians handle it is the order of the day, and we who care are paying for it. They are to, they just don't know or care yet, but they will.
This nation can't stand back up, until it is completely down, which will then cause everyone to realize FREEDOM AIN'T FREE. By the time America wakes up, THEY WILL BE DOWN. I hope it won't be too late to get up. JMO
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Re: Racial tension in America
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2007, 11:09:25 AM »
Very well said Dee.

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