Author Topic: 6x47 Progress (Read 1930 times)

Fred M · « **on:** January 15, 2006, 07:42:09 PM »

The rifle has a temorary scope 4x12 Bushnell. Will use it for testing. Have not yet decided on a final scope 4x16 or 6x24 Sightron.

Should get it shooting in a week or so.
1000 little things to do yet. Top is the 257 Roberts,
The 6x47on the bottom.

The 6x47 will tip the scale at 8 lbs when finished. So far so good, I hope it will shoot?

? The bore looks really good too.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2006, 08:29:48 PM »

That's a real sweety, Fred!!! Great work!!! :grin:

dodd3 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2006, 11:40:10 PM »

you do nice work fred top looking guns.

bernie

Norseman112 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2006, 12:45:27 AM »

Very nice looking pair you have there Fred. I hope they shoot as good as they look.

John

Fred M · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2006, 05:53:54 AM »

Norseman 112.
John.
The 257 Roberts tested last year with 5 consecutive 3 shot groups with 2 different 100gr bullets at 0.480" av.

It has taken multible numbers of gophers, a Badger, two coyotes, thee deer, and a moose.Not to bad for a 7.25 lbs hunting rifle. It shoots where you aim.

The 6x47 has not been fired yet. Poor indoor pictures tough.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2006, 06:00:54 AM »

Nice looking rig Fred :agree:

Mac

aulrich · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2006, 04:19:35 PM »

Fred what will be your brass source, if I understand correctly the parent case for this is 222 mag. If it is not commerically made I am guessing you will be using 204R brass, That seems (to a guy with only a glimer of understanding) to be a big % jump in size,will the case necks stay thick enough?

mitchell · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2006, 04:26:20 PM »

if it is the 222mag why couldn't you just neck up 222mag brass???

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2006, 05:05:37 PM »

222 mag brass is readily available, the .204 boys had to use it exclusively before 204 brass was available or in real short supply...

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aulrich · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2006, 05:20:16 PM »

Opps! I was under the impression that 222 mag was not being made anymore and that the early 204 guys were using for lack of a better word "leftovers".

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2006, 06:18:18 PM »

Hey Fred--nice butt!

Stocks of course. Seriously that's a fine looking pair of rifles.

Just curious why you went with the 6X47 in stead of the PPC or 6BR rem?

What twist did you use?

Fred M · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2006, 07:04:34 PM »

cheatermk3
I would have loved to turn that 223 into a 6mmBR Norma. But that is not possible with a 223 Handi

With the 223 being longer than either the 6ppc or the 6BR the 222RemMag case is the only small case that will clean up the 223 chamber. There are others that would clean up like the 6x47SM or my own 6x47FM orthe 6mmx250, 243, 243AI 244 etc.

But non are as well balanced as the 222RemMag. Before the event of the 6ppc. the 6x47 was the top accuray dog in bench rest. This is a fine cartridge also obsolete. But so is a 45-70.

But for a light varmint rifle it is as good as any of the small bore varminters out to 350yrds or so. My rifle has a 1-12" twist with a match chamber and will handle any 6mm bullet up to 85gr. Even good enough to pop a deer in the ear.

According to my calulation a 55gr pointed bullet wiil do about 3550 in a 24" barrel and a 60gr 3475 or so I don't know for sure but I soon find out. I am only interested in accuracy a few feet one way or another wont matter

Mitchell you have been sleeping the 6x47 is a necked up 222Rem Mag. That all you do expand load and fire.
Being a match chamber I outside neck ream. to 0.011" neck wall.

aulrich · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2006, 09:16:33 AM »

It would be real interesting to see what a 55 gr bt would do on a coyote, dialed back like that (as opposided to the 4000 ish fps if from a 243). It should tame down the pelt damage but still hit with authority.

Fred M · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2006, 05:19:29 PM »

Aulrich.
I suppose it will do in a coyote. The 55gr bullet is a very ballistically poor bullet and 250-300 is about it.
The6x47 is identically to the 6ppc in volume the y are not screemers but very pleasent to shoot.

As far as pelts are concerned I wont touch them they are full of fleas. You can have them.

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2006, 05:29:51 PM »

Fred,
I didn't remember that you'd started with a 223 barrel. I guess that if a guy wanted a PPC or BR, and didn't mind the expense of the rebore, then he'd do well to start with a hornet barrel, or even a 22 magnum tube?

Anyhow, I'm through with the wildcats for now. I've a 244AI on a rem M700 action and a modified 22 cheetah (.100 longer throat and 1-9 twist, for heavy bullets).

I like the smaller cases more and more as the years go by. I haven't shot the 244AI in several years. I may have it rechambered to the 6BR someday.

Fred M · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2006, 07:23:39 PM »

cheatermk3.
I am with you I shoot mostly small guns. 257 R 25 Hunter, 30BR, 6ppc they do me fine. Have a hard time seeing a deer at 500 let alone a coyote. Never mind hitting one at that range. Then I don't like the kick anymore and the big noise.

I have a great selection of both match and regular bullets in the 6x47 from 55 to 68gr all sorts of them.
In the 6ppc I shoot 68grBruno and 66gr Fowler match bullets in BR matches.

Well another thing I started with a 24" bull barrel 223 to make the octagone barrel the hornet only comes in 22" and so is the 22 mag. The 240 Cobra like the 6x47 is dead easy to make expand and load the 220 Swift to 6mm. That is one super varminter but uses 10gr more powder than the 6x47.

The small cases like the Nomra BR expanded to 30 with 33.8gr of powder I get 2950ft with a 125gr bullet in a 15" twist 24" barrel.

Here is what I would do to get a really good 30-30 AI I start with a 24" 223 Bull barrel rebore to 30 cal with 15" twist. This would do 3000 ft with a 130 gr bullet

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:01:41 PM »

Pics look good to me!!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2006, 09:54:08 AM »

Pics are still there> :? Dunno what's up unless Photobucket is having a problem...

Fred M · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2006, 10:15:28 AM »

Tim.
I switched the picture on an edit, still no show up.
Photo bucket seams to work ok on another forum?

Well as long you guys can see it that what really counts.
I have cheched the settings. Yes all the pictures are on my computer. Some screwy setting that I have not found yet.

safetysheriff · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2006, 02:22:03 PM »

Quote from: Fred M

Norseman 112.
John.
The 257 Roberts tested last year with 5 consecutive 3 shot groups with 2 different 100gr bullets at 0.480" av.

It has taken multible numbers of gophers, a Badger, two coyotes, thee deer, and a moose.Not to bad for a 7.25 lbs hunting rifle. It shoots where you aim.

The 6x47 has not been fired yet. Poor indoor pictures tough.

Fred'

hard to argue with the track record of the .257 Roberts! good job, Fred, with a great caliber. i'm glad it's been fruitful/productive as well as accurate. the two really go together: success at the bench, success in the field. in my opinion that's what makes for a complete approach to these rifles and this hobby....

best to ya'

ss'

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2006, 02:57:49 PM »

Fred, just for your peace of mind, one of the moderators was having a problem posting a pic, so he asked for help in the moderator's forum, I posted a pic and it came out fine, I went back to edit it to state that it posted fine and it was gone!!!! Now you see it, now you don't!!! Soooo, I'm guessing there's a problem here cuz I didn't get the little red X when the photo host isn't working, there was nothing, not even a space for it, it was as if I hadn't put a link in my post. As it turned out, the moderator's problem was incorrect tags on his photo. So, it's not your PC that's causing the problem here.

tim

Fred M · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2006, 05:38:09 PM »

Tim.
Thanks for the input.

Quote

Now you see it, now you don't!!!

I changed the two pictures and replaced them with one of less kb. No change. It was there when I post it but now it it is gone again. No point in persuing this any further.

I know there is something wrong here because I can post pictures on other forums.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2006, 06:16:23 PM »

They show up now, for me.

Tim

Fred M · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2006, 07:10:32 PM »

Tim
For me too, talkabout progress. What did you do?

You always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest"

Thanks.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2006, 07:44:12 PM »

Thanks Fred, but I think it was Matt who just did some work on the forum software, he's the real hero!! :wink:

Tim

Saloon slug · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2006, 05:55:54 PM »

Fred how hard was it to do the stocks? Thoughs have to be the nicest stocks I have ever seen on a H&R

Fred M · « **Reply #26 on:** January 24, 2006, 06:49:50 PM »

Saloon Slug.

Can't really tell whether it is hard to do. I just keep whittling away at it until it looks like what I consider a pleasing shape. My friend does the checkering. I used to do checkkering too but I can't see well enough for close work.

Try a piece of 2x6 soft wood and find out what you can come up with. Don't waste a good piece of wood until you sure you can do it.
THe H&R laminated stockes have lots of wood to carve away it takes time and patience. The finish is easy spray on Birchwood Casy two three coates is all it takes.

A two piece fancy grain walnut would be a real stock but the Handi is not somerthing to put a $600 piece of wood on. See if I can round up a couple of detail pictures.

Fred M · « **Reply #27 on:** April 22, 2006, 10:21:36 AM »

The rifle is finaly ready to go with the new 6.5-20x50 Burrisand a bucket full of loaded ammo both 55gr BT's and 58gr V0max. Both shoot extreamly well..

At present the gopher are hiding in their holes it is still around freezing at night and wet snow showers today.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** April 22, 2006, 10:25:30 AM »

Wow, another really nice one, Fred!!!

Tim

Fred M · « **Reply #29 on:** April 22, 2006, 12:57:49 PM »

Tim.
This is not another one. It is the same rifle as the bottom one of the pair above. The only difference is the individual scope bases and the Burris scope instead of the Banner scope shown above.

The Burris varmint scope has a very critical eye relieve and is as far back as it will go with the present set up.
Not completly comfortable, it could be back another 1/2 to 3/4"