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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2006, 04:27:15 PM »
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Personally I'd carry a 10 guage shotgun chock full if deer slugs, but this is a question that I am asking for a friend.

He is going back to Alaska for some salmon fishing and wants to know what " handgun" would be best should he be attacked by a grisly? I think he an experience last year and he's a bit spooky. So what say folks?


Heck it would not mater what I was packing. Once I started to fish the dam griz would have me half ate before I knew I had company. Sounds to me like your friend should find a fishing hole far away from Alaska.
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« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2006, 08:51:02 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2006, 09:23:24 AM »
All of my apologies for the use of vulgar language.  Yeah, emotions are neat aren't they?  And no, I'm not scared of bears, I'm used to having them around, which is why I've never shot one in self defense, even when the closest one was about 8 feet from me.  All I'm saying is you have to be prepared for the worst, because believe me, it does happen.  And the villagers know what they are doing, believe me in this too, I've lived with them my entire life, but when a bear gets used to humans, eating garbage, etc, it won't leave until they make it, which in this case they weren't allowed to yet.  As for eating us, there was a couple camping in interior Alaska this summer, which had a loaded revolver in their tent, they were both killed and parts of them eaten by the bear, no shots fired, because they were sleeping when it happened.  Fish and game found tracks where the bear had been stalking them, with tracks around the entire camp area, which showed that this was actually a predetory incident  - they were hunted by the bear.  Now one the coast, where there is plenty of fish and other food, or by main rivers, this is unheard of, but on the inland without a massive food supply, we now do hear of brown bears being predetory towards humans.  Neat huh?  I'm not scared of bears, just have more respect for them than most, because I grew up with them and have seen what they can do.  So since this is about respect, let's answer the question this guy has to what he wants.  When going into bear country the smallest pistol I could recommend would be a .454 casull, if he can get a .460XVR or .500 all the better.  He just has to practice with the pistol to make sure he is fact.  I recommend a cross carry, with the pistol holstered on the left side, if right handed, with the handle facing right, this seems quicker, unless you are proficient in cowboy action quick draw.  You have to practice though, to make sure you are fast.  Keep in more open areas, to be able to see a good distance away, and make noise as you come in, always make noise, not just every once in a while something loud, but pretty often, just like visiting the relatives, call before you come.  Make sure you survey the area often, to know what is around you, and note physical features.  If a bear does amble up, its probably just checking you out, so go about your business, if he gets close, that is when you slowly draw, leave your fishing gear in most cases if really close, and back away, you can come back for your gear later, if he doesn't decide to play with it, better your pole than your body.  If he wants the fishing hole, let him have it, most cases, is he is getting close, you just back off and take your stuff before he gets really close, its a river, so I bet there is more fish elsewhere.  If camping stay clean, and keep smells down to a minimum, put all food and trash up in the trees (rope and a bag), or in bear boxes if provided.  If you take the right precautions, then huge firepower isn't always necessary, but even then, things can go wrong.  If you think about it... without the mechanical advantage we have, bears are higher on the food chain, which is why I respect them so much.

And never compare me to french again....  here is something funny, go to google.com, type in:
french military victories
then press "I'm feeling lucky"  its a good laugh.
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« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2006, 12:00:46 PM »
corbanzo: that is some pretty good advice, thanks.  As a general rule of thumb I don't usually go where large, dangerous predators hang out but that is some good advice to take with me.  Mikey.

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« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2006, 04:58:17 AM »
Carbonzo, I agree with you.  There are a lot of people inserting comments that don't have any idea of what they are talking about.  People who haven't been in life threatening situations don't realize that under those circumstances the rule and instinct is to continue shooting until the threat is on the ground and dead.  And who knows why one animal stops breathing with one shot from a .22 and another keeps going even after the heart and lungs have been destroyed.

I would be interested in why so often people think that a rifle or long gun would be better in a stressful situation.  Using rifles, hunters miss their targets all the time even with the aid of time, shooting sticks, rests, and whatever else.  What makes people think that they could reasonably work the action of a rifle, remove the safety, or focus through the scope in a dangerous situation?

I had read the article quite a while ago about the hunter using his .500 to kill the bear and like many, wonder about shot placement, bullet construction, and if all those shots fired were needed.  But, we weren't there and I don't fault him for continueing to fire until the bear was down.

Come spring, I'll be hunting bears again and any grizzly that might would like to try the taste of lead is more than welcome.  I'll be putting 1/2" holes in him until one of us dies.  And of course I'm hoping that I shoot another with one of my .500's.  And all of you skeptics, many of which have no experience with handgun hunting or dangerous animals, can just keep wondering if a pistol will kill a bear.

Anyone interested in a handgun hunting partner?

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« Reply #95 on: January 10, 2006, 01:51:55 PM »
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« Reply #96 on: January 10, 2006, 03:07:05 PM »
I think Corbanzo means this one.

Anchorage couple found dead after apparent bear attack
by Joy Mapaye - Sunday, June 26, 2005

Anchorage, Alaska - Police made a gruesome discovery near Barrow this weekend.

An Anchorage couple rafting down the Hulahula River was apparently mauled and killed by a grizzly bear. Few details are being released until the family is notified.

Barrow police say yesterday that a group of rafters saw a grizzly bear ravaging a campsite and they tried to check things out, but then the bear charged them. The rafters didn't try to come ashore. Instead, they notified Kaktovik police, who then called North Slope Borough Search and Rescue.

A helicopter was dispatched and around midnight it spotted the campsite and the bear. The grizzly fled the scene, but it was later found and shot dead. The bear’s body was sent to Fairbanks for a necropsy.


At the campsite, police found the remains of the couple. The couple is described as being in their late 50s or early 60s and that they were kayaking down the Hulahula River. Now officials are working to recover the victims' remains.


A German television crew working on a documentary about the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge went to the scene.

“It is very, very tragic and I was very shocked. When we arrived there, the light -- it was 1:30 in the morning -- the light was wonderful. The whole scene looked like really unreal because it was so beautiful, and then at the same time you had this terrible tragic event,” said Christiane Meier, with the German TV crew.


Police say at this time, they do not suspect any foul play in the incident and they are still trying to figure out what happened.
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« Reply #97 on: January 22, 2006, 11:53:51 AM »
I have been eyeball'ng this thread for a while.  I just have to put in my two cents worth.

I was once charged and had to shoot a sow brown bear with .338.  I posted this in the bear hunting section back in Feb of 2003.  Does this make me an expert?  NO WAY.  I was lucky at the time.

In any case, only one thing was apparent at the moment of truth.  I only had one shot and my life depended on a piece of lead smaller than my pinky.  Caliber, gun hype, etc. never entered my mind.  I had to wait for the shot.  The bear was going to have a piece of me that I was sure.  But I wanted to be sure it was dieing while in the process.  I did not want to have to wonder IF the shot was glancing or IF the shot was slightly off I was in a heap of trouble.

Many of us (I think) buy the largest gun to make us feel like we are invincible while in the woods.  After all if it will penetrate through and through an elephant's skull  --No worries, right???

My weapon of choice is a .44 mag.  Why?  Because I shoot it alot. I shoot it at 10 feet alot.  I shoot it from 20 yrds and up to 50 yds fairly often.  Many times it is the only gun I have on me because I hauling tackle boxes, campoing gear, cutting wood, cooking and a lot of ther activities that are too numerous to mention.

The .44 just feels right and it is always there.  It is very shootable.  I am confident I can place that small piece of lead where it needs to go.  Also I can shoot it accurately and fairly rapidly at the same time. Of course this is providing other factors are lined up in my favor such as reaction time, obstacles, shot presentation, etc.

When I hunt I always have a good oportunity to cross upon a bear kill.  I ussually carry a .338 and my .44 mag.  But some times When I hunt close with my partner or partners (sometimes there is 3 of us) I leave the .44 at camp.  To me the best defense is a partner.  That is more important than bore size or ballistic tables.

Currently I am reloading a friend's 500 S&W.  I have shoot it numerous times.  I can hit what I aim at but it is not fun nor do I feel I can develop the same proffiecincy i can attain with my .44.  But this is just me.  For me familiarity is more important than caliber.  

I am not knocking the 500 S&W.  I think it is a fine hunting weapon.  I may get one in the future.  But at this time I don't feel the inclination to buy one.

I have seen a fair amount of big game killed with large rifles (.338, .375 and .458 winchester mag).The effects have not been as dramatic as you might believe.   I have also seen them killed with 30-06's. In my limited experience  not a whole lot of difference.

A little more than two cents worth but it is  snowing outside and I have the time.

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« Reply #98 on: January 22, 2006, 04:28:01 PM »
I'm im full agreement with Balto, if you are comfortable with it, that is the best.  My old man got treed by a blackie and killed it with his .44mag.  He has a .500, but is better and more comfortable with the .44, so he carries that instead.  

I remember something he told me when I was a kid... he said bears are bears, and they won't stop until they are ready to, or until you make them.  I carried his .44 for protection, and he told me, if that bear gets on you, then you have the best shot.  Forget about pain, and concentrate on getting that gun to the side of his head.  Bear defense starts when you see him, and stops when you don't, or one of you is dead.
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« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2006, 01:53:30 AM »
Last year I went bear hunting. I shot a black bear, before it could even turn and run or just move, I had a second shot in him. I was using a 500 Mag. I am very comfortable with the 500 Mag. I have over 4000 rounds fired in the 500 Mag.  My buddy said the gun almost sounded like a semi auto. By the way it was my BFR 500 Mag, (Single Action) not my S&W500 Mag. I also have the hunt on video and everyone that watches it can't believe how fast the shots were.  The bullets entered within 2 inches of each other. The bear did not go 2 feet after the 2 quick shots.

Yes, I understand it was a black bear not a grizzle and it was not in defense but a hunt.  But my hunt proves,I can get two controlled shots off in a very short time with a 500 Mag, as some were making out that you can't control the recoil of the 500 Mag. Experienced handgunners with years of experience hunting with handguns can indeed use a handgun for grizzle defense.  :D
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« Reply #100 on: January 23, 2006, 02:20:40 AM »
Balto, at what distance did you first notice the charge? At what distance was she when you fired the shot? Where did the bullet strike her? Please elaborate on this, since you are the only one that has had first hand experience with an attack. I know this all happened in a few seconds, but you kept a cool head from your story.

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« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2006, 02:28:58 AM »
If you insist on going out looking for bear with a handgun you cant go wrong with the 500,i watched my Grandfather shoot a Muledeer with his last year at about 120 yards and it flattened him.When I was 12 I ran into a BIG blackbear boar while fishing with my father,allI had on me was a 1911 .45,I dont know if the bear even saw me but it was headed down the river bank towards me,when he got about 20 feet from my I was standing there with .45 in hand and my father yelled to shoot,I unloaded all 7 rounds into him hitting him 6/7 times,he turned straight away and was trying to go up hill when my father hit him with a mini 30 he had retrived from the truck,those were the only two firearms we had on hand.Three of my shots penetrated the vitals and would have killed him but if he had wanted to get me i would have been dead.To this day it is still the biggest BB I have killed squared 7 foot.Ill try to find the pic my mom took of him.
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« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2006, 02:39:19 AM »
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If you insist on going out looking for bear with a handgun you cant go wrong with the 500,i watched my Grandfather shoot a Muledeer with his last year at about 120 yards and it flattened him.When I was 12 I ran into a BIG blackbear boar while fishing with my father,allI had on me was a 1911 .45,I dont know if the bear even saw me but it was headed down the river bank towards me,when he got about 20 feet from my I was standing there with .45 in hand and my father yelled to shoot,I unloaded all 7 rounds into him hitting him 6/7 times,he turned straight away and was trying to go up hill when my father hit him with a mini 30 he had retrived from the truck,those were the only two firearms we had on hand.Three of my shots penetrated the vitals and would have killed him but if he had wanted to get me i would have been dead.To this day it is still the biggest BB I have killed squared 7 foot.Ill try to find the pic my mom took of him.


I would love to see the pic.  :D
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« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2006, 02:46:59 AM »

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« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2006, 07:03:28 AM »
Now that's a nice bear you got. That 45 Looks good also..  :D
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« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2006, 08:20:22 AM »
Qaz,

I first spotted her About 25 feet away.  I had a broad side shot but did not take it since this does not constitute a "Charge" and since it was 3 days before bear season.

She bounded out of the brush and then lined up on us. I pulled the trigger on her while she was ~10 feet away and in full stride.

I had thought I sent a bullet up her nose but hit her dead center in the chest where the neck junctures the chest.  It was a perfect (and lucky) shot.

The only target I could see was a head shot but I guess she must have tilted her head up slightly when I pulled the trigger. Also there must have been a time delay from the time I pulled the trigger and the time the bullet exited the barrel.  There is also the angle between the sope and barrel at that close of range.

In any case there was a lot of factors and LUCK played a major part.  If there is another situation in the future I may be very oposite.  

The most fortunate part is that I saw her before she saw me.  That may not me the case IF there is a next time.  That is why a partner with a gun, In my opinion, is more important than a side arm  -although I would never be without a firearm in the woods.

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« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2006, 11:02:49 AM »
Balto, you got that right about a partner.  :D
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« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2006, 11:14:33 AM »
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AS long as you know him well and can trust him!!

Remember the assistant guide last year that shot the client in the head with a .338 as he was trying to stop a wounded bear form getting away?
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« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2006, 12:54:57 PM »
I agree.  A COMPETENT partner is a neccessity.  

I remember one account in the Anchorage paper a few years ago where a man's wife killed an attacking bear with three shots  from a .338 at point blank.

If I recalled correctly he shot it with a .338 the night before.  Went back the next morning with this .458 to follow the blood trail.  His dog ran towards him with the wounded bear on it's tail.  He never had a chance to get a shot off.

The bear attacked him and tossed him around like a rag doll.  The only thing that saved him was his wife.  She sounded compentent enough to me.  I guess he came out of that ordeal with only an injured toe and a few bruises.

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« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2006, 07:04:02 PM »
Well, in the hunter incident, I wouldn't call it all the fault of the assistant guide.  The guide told him to shoot it, which I'm sure the client heard, and then the client stood up into the shot... both of their faults.  
Also, I watched "Grizzly Man" the movie about the guy who lived with browns for 13 years, then him and his gf were eaten.  Just so all of you know, this is the stupidest stuff of all time.  The whole thing is about him and his friends, nothing to do with the bears really, which is lame.  I mean, I think his idea is neat, but really he was a nutbar obsessed with bears.  I loved how through the whole thing... he was saying they could kill me at anytime, and also it's the bears and me and i'm master here... then he gets killed....  Yeah, crazy dude, if you want to know about a crazy guy, watch it, if you want to know about bears, don't.
One more thing about protection, it should go without saying use the hardest biggest chunk of cast lead you can find for a projectile.  The object is to smash bones.  Shoot for the shoulder.
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« Reply #110 on: January 24, 2006, 01:49:27 AM »
Corbanzo- The documentry was not about him being the king of that universe, but to dispell the myth that bears are mindless killers. He was trying to show that by following a few simple rules in bear country that a person is reasonably safe. His big mistake was that he became to comfortable with them!

 Balto- My hat is off to you for that encounter. It took a cool head and hand to make that shot and be able to walk away. That was "Lawdogs" point in earlier replies, most people under that circumstance would have frozen or missed completely with that kind of stress!
 Under the same circumstances, do you feel that you would have been more comfortable with your  44mag in your hand and do you think the out come would have been the same?

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« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2006, 01:23:30 PM »
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He was trying to show that by following a few simple rules in bear country that a person is reasonably safe. His big mistake was that he became to comfortable with them!QAZ  :-)


I was excited to watch The Grizzly Man but found it to be a waste of my time in looking for it and the money I spent on purchasing it.  I didn't see Treadwell following any rules except that he went back to the same areas year after year and that the bears had decided to tolerate him as long as he kept some distance.  What I gleaned was that he went back with his girlfriend to a familiar area but at a time when there were different bears there that hadn't grown up learning to tolerate him.  He should have died much earlier.

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« Reply #112 on: January 25, 2006, 01:44:59 PM »
wyocarp - exactly.
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« Reply #113 on: January 25, 2006, 07:44:16 PM »
Qaz,

I do not think my .44 would have destroyed the same amount of tissue the .388 did.  It was massive distruction about 3" hole going into the chest and lenghtwise of the body. The bear would have died with a .44.  Just don't know how fast.  With the .338 it died immediately.

About confidence.  For me confidence has always come by achieving a high skill in training at some endeavour wether it be sports, job skills, SHOOTING, etc. .  AT the moment of trueth I have on numerouse times been scared $H!tless but training always took over.  I think that is what happened.  When the bear attacked Bore size, gun type, to be brave or not  never crossed my mind.   It happened so fast..... The only thing that counted was PRECISE BULLET PLACEMENT.  NOTHING ELSE MATTERED.  I wanted that bear to die even thought I was fairly certain I would end up as bear $#It.

If I had a .44 in my hand in same exact sceanario I would have aimed for the same point (nose) and hope to put one up his brain or take out his sense of smell, or skull (brain).  If the  shot was a little wide it might go into his chest  up his spine or hit some vital.  None of these guarrantee anything.

Personally, I would never aim for a direct shoulder shot with a direct frontal attack at close range with only one chance for a shot.  Shoulder joints are hard to hit and I has a great chance of glancing off as a head shot --and it is not killing shot.  I would rather take my chances with a close (10 feet or less) head shot --which is also a center of mass shot.  I have seen a few bears in my life and on frontal shots  --there really is not alot of presentation there.

By the way I think there are times when a pistol is more justified if bear country than a rifle.   But in  these cases I did not just depend on my choice of handgun.  When I carried lots of fishing poles, tackle boxes food backpacks and two young daughters walking beside me I always made sure the conversation during the hike to the fishing hole would not end --we would make plenty of noise.  Also being aware of my surroundings was another defense mechanism.  Wind direction is critically important.

I could go on an on but I'm being kicked off the computer..........Balto

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« Reply #114 on: January 26, 2006, 09:19:55 AM »
I want to talk about confidence. After reading my last post I embarrassed myself.  First I am not highly trained at anything.  All i know is that  confidence can be ellusive.  There is no way for training for a bear attack that I am aware of. I am not an experienced bear attack expert.  It is like a basketball player who shoots a lot of baskets but never played in real game  -and then suddenly has to play.  Shooting is only a small part of it.  I was lucky.  I could have just as easily ended up maimed, killed, unable to support my familiy, etc.  I was lucky....

Lets talk about confidence again.  As I mentioned it is ellusive at times.  Many of us (me included) read a article about the killing power of firearm and think this will solve 90% of our poblem in the field.  WRONG.  Certainly you should make a good choice prior.  but that is only a small part of it.  there is a big difference between slapping old betsy in the living room and admiring the hole at the end of the barrel while reading a knowledgable expert ---and being in the field where the bear really has a good chance of killing you even while it is dieing. I have seen some critters live for few minutes with 5" exit hole through their lungs.  A bear can do a lot in a few seconds.

If i could predict the future and knew on a certain day at a certain hour I was going to be charged by a bear --I  would opt to stay at home with my wife and kids.  On the other hand I have tracked down bears with my hunting buddies on occasion  -Bears that have been shot and headed for the thickest nasties pucker brush you could imagine.  THERE WAS NOTHING FUN ABOUT IT. NOR DID I ENJOY THE MOMENT.

On the other hand I take my chances just like anyone else and enjoy the wilderness of alaska and carry my .44.

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« Reply #115 on: January 27, 2006, 08:14:55 PM »
I would like to hit on a couple things here, First I cant believe that some people still believe that a handgun is totally useless. Even after the story of a member here using a handgun to successfully stop a charge.  Sure, if pressed to choose between a rifle and a handgun we all agree that a magnum rifle is the best defense for brown bear, but like was mentioned you cant always have a rifle in your hands at the ready. So what do you do then, according to some people here you might as well just grab a butter knife as grab a handgun... unbelievable :roll:

Second thing, Timothy Treadwell IMO was your typical, mentally disturbed, left coast, attention hungry, activist, nothing more. He was not a man of science in any way, he failed at everything he had ever done and finally found a way to garner the attention he craved while making a living at the same time. If he was in fact trying to show that a person could be safe around bears by following some "rules" that he came up with he CERTAINLY FAILED at that.. Nearly everything he did in Alaska was a mistake not just that he "became to comfortable" with the bears. Grizzly Man is a joke, dont waste your money, If you want an unbiased look at Treadwell and the story surrounding him get the book "The Grizzly Maze" by Nick Jans.
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« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2006, 04:10:28 PM »
Use as much gun as you can handle.  In the last year of two I read of a brown being brought down by a shot from a 9mm while a guy was fishing.  (BTW NOT my choice of weapons to use).

Some ideas:

.357 mag with 170-180 cast bullets
.41 magnum
.44 with 300 grain JSP or cast
.480 Ruger

.45 Colt/.454 Casull (Personally this would be my choice since you can download up load as needed.)  Ruger REALLY needs to make this on in a 4-5 inch barrell length.....

Personally I would carry any of these as a back up to my rifle or 12 ga.
I woulld also carry one of the big 9 oz. OC sprayers
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« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2006, 03:49:28 AM »
DirtyHarry-    I may have missed something when I reread the replies, but I did not see where anyone stopped a bear charge with a pistol. If you are referring to the account by Nonya, I don't consider that a charge. It may have seemed that way for a 12 year old and to some on this board, but that story would have had his dad arrested, all firearms would have been taken, never to be returned and the vehicle would have been impounded and sold at action in the state of Virginia.  Black bears are a funny creature, they will walk up really close to you on occasion, check you out, and then leave. I have had blacks apprroaching 300lbs plus pounds walk up as close as 10ft, sniff the air and trot off while out hiking in the Shenandoah National park and along the Appalation trail. Granted, when this happens I have had to swallow hard to get my heart out of my throat. The problem with this behavior is that young male black bears kill more people each year than do Grizzlys and you never know what their intentions are when they walk up.

 I was fortunate enough to watch the two documentrys that Mr. Treadwell made on the grizzly project prior to his death. I have drawn my own conclusions from them. Film can manipulated and stories can be edited to to give it any slant that the editor wants. The whole story will never be known!

 I am guilty of being in the no go camp on the hand gun as a grizz stopper. I would hunt one with a pistol but would not depend on one for my only protection. The original post "Grizzly Stopper" implies that the animal is in attack mode and the pistol wil stop it cold. There is no pistol cartridge, bullet combination that can reliably transfer that amount of energy, shock and tissue damage. The various hardcast bullets are the only ones that provide enough penetration, but really lack the shock and tissue damage. If one does exist, it has not reliably done so in enough situation to have the reputation as a reliable bear stopper. Personally, if I am attacked, I hope that the person with me is not only carrying a rifle but also a pistol and knows how to use both! :)  :)

Qaz

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« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2006, 07:57:22 PM »
Qaz..
I was actually refering to Balto, but after rereading the post I see it was in fact a 338 he used and not a handgun..My mistake... :oops:
As I said before, my personal choice would be a large bore magnum rifle in a charge situation. I wouldnt want to have to rely on a handgun in a charge situation, but were I in that situation I would definately use a large bore handgun, some people try to make it sound like one is better off trying to put a voodoo hex on a charging bear as to use a handgun.


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I was fortunate enough to watch the two documentrys that Mr. Treadwell made on the grizzly project prior to his death. I have drawn my own conclusions from them.  

If that is the case you have drawn your conclusions from the two most liberal, most activist friendly pieces of work there are. I formed my opinion from the two works you mentioned as well as books by Nick Jans and Mike Lapinski. Jans book is pretty unbiased slanting only slightly left and Lapinski's leans more to the right.
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« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2006, 01:42:53 AM »
Now you have peaked my curiosity, and now I will have to add two more books to a growing collection!  :)  :)  :)
 
 Thanks, Qaz