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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2005, 05:35:39 PM »
GGaskill, did you have any problems with gas when you cast your brass barrles? I'm planing on trying one this weekend. The little bit of brass I melted last night looked pretty nice. Later,
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2005, 07:21:16 PM »
The first bronze barrel I cast was a 1/2 scale Coehorn mortar in a block investment.  It came out with a long flaw that I attributed to gassing although in retrospect, I'm not sure what was the cause.  
 
The first three mountain howitzers were cast in petrobond moulds; I had taken a wire and pushed it into the backs of both cope and drag in a grid pattern to within an inch of the parting line and a half inch of the pattern to allow gas to escape through the mould instead of into the metal.  All three seem to be OK; including the one which is fully machined.  
 
Bronze/brass casts at a much higher temperature than aluminum and burns the oil in the sand around the casting.  I always toss the burned sand out since it will no longer clump and, if mixed back with the good sand, dilutes the good sand which eventually will not clump properly and must be tossed anyway.  By keeping the burned sand out of the mix, it still works normally even though the quantity gets smaller with each pour.
 
One thing to consider is that the elements with the lower melting points get burned out of the alloy each time it is melted, so don't melt stuff several times before using and use a mixture of old sprues and new metal, not all old already melted stuff only.  This is not so much a problem with aluminum as the aluminum is the low melting point metal and a little loss of Al doesn't make much difference, but with copper based alloys, the copper has the high melting point (silicon bronze being an exception) and the zinc (of brass) or the tin (of traditional bronze) oxidizes more quickly.  In fact, the usual way of making tin bronze is to melt copper by itself, and then after it is melted, let it cool almost to the solidification point before adding the tin.  When the tin is added the alloy melting point goes down and the metal becomes liquid again.
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2005, 05:11:55 PM »
Hello, I did a casting today. I pored some brass. The barrel turned out OK. there are a couple of small bubble looking defects on the half of the barrel that was facing up. Now I know why they are pored upright.

Notice how hot everything is. It took about 40 minutes to get fully melted. Still no poring shank GGaskill :oops:  But I do have some new gloves. there supposed to withstand 800 degrees. Brass sure is pretty when its melted.

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Here you can see the brass glowing red hot after it was pored.

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Here is the barrel after I sawed the sprues off and hit it with a wire brush. Not to bad :grin:  I'll try to get the breech pored tomarrow. then back into the machine shop.

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2005, 06:59:36 PM »
Very nice, very informative! Great photos, too...


BTW, are those Carhart duck jeans in the last picture?

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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2005, 07:24:14 PM »
The barrel looks good.

It's not that you can't get the job done without a pouring shank but that you are risking your crucible holding it the way you are holding it.  I'm sure you noticed the heavier weight when pouring brass versus aluminum.  The extra weight puts more stress on the edge of the crucible when holding it by the edge.

A pouring shank is not that difficult to make.
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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2005, 07:40:17 AM »
Any updates? I've been watching this thread like a hawk...

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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2005, 08:28:33 AM »
Hi Third_Rail,

I'd like to say yea, But the weather has been so nice here I've been doing some outside honey do's. I'll try to do something tonight. Thanks for your intrest. Oh, I started on a poring shank also :grin:  Later,
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« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2005, 02:20:49 PM »
Hello,

I started the machine work tonight. I used the nubs on the end of the barrel to chuck on and I drilled centers in each end, and cleaned up the OD of the nubs. The barrel was pretty round. (within 10 thou) The aluminum machined nice. There are only a couple of small pit marks on the breech end. Here are a couple of pictures of the lathe work.

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Here is what I'm planing on doing on the mill. I'm going to clamp the pointy bars to the mill table and apply pressure to the end of one of them to hold the barrel trunnion'ish things level. Then I'll clean up the bottom of the trunnion'ish things.  After that I'll go back to the lathe and drill a pilot hole. Then back to the mill and I'll clamp it to a angle plate and drill the bore.
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2005, 03:08:23 PM »
Powder keg -

Good photography!  I like your idea on with the centers for holding on the mill!  I assume that you'll have support under the 'ears' to keep it from turning.

The pictures and descriptions of the methods you're using here are great lessons of how-to!
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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2005, 06:08:24 PM »
Very nice! I'm loving this whole thing, I'll have to try it this fall when I have access to a machine shop again.  :grin:  :grin:

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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2005, 03:38:21 PM »
Hello, I just thought I'd tell everybody that I haven't forgot this project. I've been adding a much needed 18' X20' addition onto my garage. This and several "paying" jobs have taken up my time latley. That and a fulltime job, wife, 5 dogs, and three turtles. Probably, it will be a week and a half or so before I can get back on this gun. Thanks for your patience,
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2005, 03:53:54 PM »
Woo! I love updates!  :grin:

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2005, 01:03:15 AM »
Quote from: Powder keg
 ...  18' X20' addition onto my garage. This and several "paying" jobs have taken up my time latley. That and a fulltime job, wife, 5 dogs, and three turtles.  ...  


So what do you do in your spare time?   :oops:


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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2005, 12:05:14 PM »
Hello,
I had a chance to bore out the barrel on this little project. First I chucked it back up in the lathe and drilled a pilot hole from each end so the final hole would be kinda centered. Then I chucked it up in my dividing head on my mill and milled the bottom flat. After that I clamped it to a angle plate and centered my lill on the hole and drilled and reamed the bore. In the picture you can see my final step of boring the recess for the lip on the shell. Sorry I missed some of the pictures. I kinda got in a hurry. Hopefully lots more progress will be made on this in the near future.

Later, Wes

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« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2005, 11:24:16 AM »
Hi, I've decided to put this project on hold untill I find out if I can legally do this or not. Before 9/11 I wouldn't have worried about it. I've started another project though, Pictures to follow. Later, Wes
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2005, 08:53:16 AM »
I know it's an old thread... and I'm having trouble reading a lot of it because I'm on a UNIX work station and the text is under the pictures, but...

In high schoole we did aluminum casting.

The frames were located by a pin & hole arrangement (like a gudgeon & pintle) outside the "box".

We rammed up one half, used a hacksaw blade or section of bandsaw blade to skin the top of the lower half level with the frame. Then we pressed the mold (plug... the prototype part) halfway into the sand of the bottom half (no need to make the plug in two halves). Horizontal channels were created with dowels if needed (between multiple parts). Dowels were used to form the filling hole and the vents (all the dowels are left in place for now). Then we sprinkled talcum powder onto the top surface of the bottom half. Then the top frame was laid on top of the bottom half (using the alignment pins). Then the upper half was filled and rammed. The hole into which we pour was given a funnel shape using a small trowel (wth the dowel still in place). The vertical dowels were carefully pulled out and then the top half was carefully lifted off. The plug part and the horizontal dowels were removed, and the
upper half then placed back onto the lower (using the pins to align it).

Sometimes extra vent holes were added with a drill bit if the mold had a convex shape protruding into the upper half (you have to vent all of the high points).

We made some pretty nice stuff, and also made a few mistakes.

It is important to pour quickly (but not too fast) and never to stop once you begin the pour.

When I get home I'll have a better look on my P.C., and see if I can find a good link to an instructional site or two.

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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2005, 08:41:40 AM »
I still haven't gotten to a computer on which I can read all of the posts in this thread, but...

While looking for info I was reminded that the bottom half was rammed with the
frame upside down to make the faying surface smooth. It pays to put some talcum
powder on the surface board first, if you add the sand carefully.

We usually pushed the plug into the sand after ramming it... but having it
in two halves would allow you to put it in before ramming the lower half,
and for thick objects it might be the only way to do it... so a cannon
barrel in two halves maight be the way to go.

A few useful looking links:

http://virtualindian.org/3techcasting.htm

http://budgetcastingsupply.com/Informative_Reading.html

http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/book_sc.html