Dem politicos, demanding that troops disobey orders..

[ironglowz]

   Those clowns should be charged with attempted insurrection.  ....And if any of the troops listen and act upon their demands, they should be charged with full insurrection.

    https://nypost.com/2025/11/19/opinion/dems-urging-troops-to-disobey-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/

   Obviously, if any troops answered their call, to disobey, they may be facing a court martial..  Standing UCMJ rules say..to complete the mission, then place complaints up through the chain of command.

   All those who counsel disobeying the chain of command, should be put on trial...
   

[scattershot]

Trump has called out the communist traitors who are advocating disobeying orders. Keep your powder dry, this could get ugly.

[ironglowz]

Trump has called out the communist traitors who are advocating disobeying orders. Keep your powder dry, this could get ugly.

   
   I hope Lance Corporal Jones, doesn't try to resist serving under an "illegal order".  Jones is in no position to decide just what is "legal", that would have to be
    decided for him at court martial.

   First question at court martial, and first hump he has to get past...  "Why did you disobey a direct order"..

    ....And the Dems won't be there to  help you either, Jones !

[NWBear]

You may want to review the UCMJ, you are not REQUIRED to follow ILLEGAL orders. In fact you may be smart to not follow those at Nuremberg who claimed “ I was just following orders”.  This was not allowed as an excuse.  The President is exempt from prosecution, EVERYONE else is NOT.  Military personnel have and can be prosecuted  for following illegal orders.

Buy the ticket but be prepared to take the ride…

[GTS225]

I'm thinking that those radical Dems should be very careful what they wish for......they just might get it.  (If/when they ever get into power again.)  T'would be an interesting defense in the face of a prosecution under a Democrat administration.  "Democrat congressmen ordered me to disobey illegal orders from the president".

Just speculating.....Roger

[ironglowz]

You may want to review the UCMJ, you are not REQUIRED to follow ILLEGAL orders. In fact you may be smart to not follow those at Nuremberg who claimed “ I was just following orders”.  This was not allowed as an excuse.  The President is exempt from prosecution, EVERYONE else is NOT.  Military personnel have and can be prosecuted  for following illegal orders.

Buy the ticket but be prepared to take the ride…

   Yes, the UCMJ says we should not follow an illegal order...  Catch 22... The UCMJ also says we must not disobey a direct order...

  Next question:  Outside the off chance that he may be a soldier or marine who is perfectly well versed in the details of the UCMJ, how does Lance Corporal Jones handle the situation?

  Does he refuse to advance..and take a chance that he is correct?  ..Or does he perform his duty, then place a complaint through the chain of command?

  Sure, if some idiot officer orders a troop to rape, pillage or slit throats of the innocent, then it is quite clear that most any court martial would clear him !
 
    On the other hand, if he is ordered to Chicago to  quell a riot, can he be quite sure he will be exonerated if he refuses to do so?

   ..And if he is not exonerated, will Hakim Jeffries and Jasmine Crock-of-sh*t ...be there to go to rescue him ?

[Casull]

You may want to review the UCMJ, you are not REQUIRED to follow ILLEGAL orders. In fact you may be smart to not follow those at Nuremberg who claimed “ I was just following orders”.  This was not allowed as an excuse.  The President is exempt from prosecution, EVERYONE else is NOT.  Military personnel have and can be prosecuted  for following illegal orders.

Buy the ticket but be prepared to take the ride…

What illegal orders have they been given?  None that I'm aware of.  And, these a**hat democrats didn't give any examples or directions as to what may constitute an illegal order.  They are doing nothing but engaging in performative politics and possibly putting some military personnel in danger of being charged, demoted or kicked out.  Of course these democrat idiots don't care about the soldiers, just their own sound bites.

[Graybeard]

I was placed in that untenable position once as a federal employee. I was a division chief with one layer between me and the depot commander.

My supervisor the director went on leave one afternoon and another division chief who was one grade higher than me (GS13 vs GS12) was left in charge for the afternoon. No biggie normally as we division chiefs all filled in as director from time to time.

But this guy was no fan of mine and had been my first line supervisor just a few years beforoe.

He ordered me to have some of my people work overtime that day. I told him I had no money to pay my folks to work. He gave me a maintenance fund cite, since I worked on the supply side I knew I could not legally do that. We argued and discussed it awhile and they he said: I am ordering you to have your folks work the overtime and use that fund cite.

I called the legal office and asked what to do. I was ordered to break a federal law and  he had made it a direct order to do so. Clearly an illegal order. He told me to write a DM to the supervison tell him that I knew the order to be illegal but since he was issuing me a direct order to do so anyway, that he must know something I do not and that I will under duress and unwillingly do as told.

I didn't even have the DM fully drafted for my secretary to type when I got a call to the directors off and to come IMMEDIATELY, I said I needed to get the DM typed and was told to get my ass to the director's off NOW.

When I got there the acting director was on the phone with legal, the depot commander, the Civilian executive assistant, the director of maintenance, the division chief over planning and who knows who all else. I was told to sit and wait until I was directed to go in.

While sitting and waiting my actual supervisor the director came back to work from being on leave. They all talked via conference call for another 10-15 minutes. They my real boss came out and told me to work the overtime if I had legal money to pay them and if not to not work the OT. I told him I had no legal way to pay them so he said don't work it.

The incident was never again mentioned to me at least. I stood my ground in the face of an illegal direct order knowing that doing it or not doing it either was likely to get me fired. My choice to call the legal office gave me a potential out but also resulted in the highest of levels of management at the installation all talking it over and deciding that the order was illegal and that I did not need to obey it. I was in a rather high level management position not some lowly private or corporal and knew for a face the order was illegal but it was given to me as a direct order so disobeying would be grounds for firing me.

My old enemy set me up but didn't succeed in his efforts. Later, several years later he got himself in pretty deep in wrong doing and was forced to resign but he was able to find another position at a different installation rather than being fired himself which he was about to be.

[ironglowz]

You may want to review the UCMJ, you are not REQUIRED to follow ILLEGAL orders. In fact you may be smart to not follow those at Nuremberg who claimed “ I was just following orders”.  This was not allowed as an excuse.  The President is exempt from prosecution, EVERYONE else is NOT.  Military personnel have and can be prosecuted  for following illegal orders.

Buy the ticket but be prepared to take the ride…

What illegal orders have they been given?  None that I'm aware of.  And, these a**hat democrats didn't give any examples or directions as to what may constitute an illegal order.  They are doing nothing but engaging in performative politics and possibly putting some military personnel in danger of being charged, demoted or kicked out.  Of course these democrat idiots don't care about the soldiers, just their own sound bites.

  Exactly !  From what we have seen in the news..the President may order the troops to go to certain cities to complete a mission...and the Dems are now telling them that they should refuse any such order.

   Sounds quite clear cut to me !  No order to rape, pillage or slit throats...just to enforce immigration laws and maintain order.

  I wouldn't want to be LC Jones, when he comes before a court martial, explaining how he followed some politician's order, rather than the orders of his Commander in Chief !

[ironglowz]

I was placed in that untenable position once as a federal employee. I was a division chief with one layer between me and the depot commander.

My supervisor the director went on leave one afternoon and another division chief who was one grade higher than me (GS13 vs GS12) was left in charge for the afternoon. No biggie normally as we division chiefs all filled in as director from time to time.

But this guy was no fan of mine and had been my first line supervisor just a few years beforoe.

He ordered me to have some of my people work overtime that day. I told him I had no money to pay my folks to work. He gave me a maintenance fund cite, since I worked on the supply side I knew I could not legally do that. We argued and discussed it awhile and they he said: I am ordering you to have your folks work the overtime and use that fund cite.

I called the legal office and asked what to do. I was ordered to break a federal law and  he had made it a direct order to do so. Clearly an illegal order. He told me to write a DM to the supervison tell him that I knew the order to be illegal but since he was issuing me a direct order to do so anyway, that he must know something I do not and that I will under duress and unwillingly do as told.

I didn't even have the DM fully drafted for my secretary to type when I got a call to the directors off and to come IMMEDIATELY, I said I needed to get the DM typed and was told to get my ass to the director's off NOW.

When I got there the acting director was on the phone with legal, the depot commander, the Civilian executive assistant, the director of maintenance, the division chief over planning and who knows who all else. I was told to sit and wait until I was directed to go in.

While sitting and waiting my actual supervisor the director came back to work from being on leave. They all talked via conference call for another 10-15 minutes. They my real boss came out and told me to work the overtime if I had legal money to pay them and if not to not work the OT. I told him I had no legal way to pay them so he said don't work it.

The incident was never again mentioned to me at least. I stood my ground in the face of an illegal direct order knowing that doing it or not doing it either was likely to get me fired. My choice to call the legal office gave me a potential out but also resulted in the highest of levels of management at the installation all talking it over and deciding that the order was illegal and that I did not need to obey it. I was in a rather high level management position not some lowly private or corporal and knew for a face the order was illegal but it was given to me as a direct order so disobeying would be grounds for firing me.

My old enemy set me up but didn't succeed in his efforts. Later, several years later he got himself in pretty deep in wrong doing and was forced to resign but he was able to find another position at a different installation rather than being fired himself which he was about to be.

  So, there must be as much "slight of hand" played in government jobs , other than the military..