The Trump Gestopo

[Graybeard]

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

OK darkgael, I have again posted the applicable part of the 14th Amendment above for you to read and see if you can comprehend.

So I ask you yet again, where do you find that illegals have rights under it? I'm asking nicely this time but likely won't next time be as nice if you still refuse to respond.

[Land_Owner]

I read the title to this thread, "The Trump Gestapo", and hear it clearly from the mouth of W C Fields, particularly the hold and trail off at the bitter end...happily weird.

If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls***.”

I like that one.

Illegal Aliens - where to begin?

Here are some borders they can try to cross (or WHY NOT their own?). On these borders you can get shot, kidnapped, drugged, raped, stabbed, and beaten half dead:

A.)  The Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ)
B.)  Afghanistan - first on the Global Terrorism Index and last on the Global Peace Index.
C.)  The Colombia and Ecuador border
D.)  The Chad and Niger border
E.)  The Israel Gaza, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon borders
F.)  The Pakistan and Afghanistan Punjabis Durand Line
G.)  The Russia / Ukraine borders
H.)  The Iraq and Iran borders
I.)  The China and North Korea borders
.J.)  The Yemen and Saudi Arabia borders
K.)  The Bangladesh and India border

So why are they coming to the USA?
i.)  Perhaps it is THE GOOD LIFE they are seeking. 
ii.)  Go to the front of the line if you vote DEMOCRAT.
iii,)  YOUR income tax (not mine), pays them to keep their mouths shut for a while,
iv.)  They can reside in YOUR neighborhood (not mine), where they start to build a new s-hole country like the one they left back home,
v.)  As long as Contractors and Farmers need cheap labor, illegal immigrants will work for dirt wages and food.  Don't work, don't eat. This alone should upset ALL Americans as ordinary decent paying jobs are given to the flood of illegals with no where for the legal immigrants, unskilled carpenters, and laborers to turn.
vi.)  It is not for free education either. That handout (your money not mine) is going straight to their housing, clothing, food, and transportation.  It won't last and there will be forever a nomad level of people wandering America voting Democrat and looking for THE GOOD LIFE.

[Casull]

Ummm.....guys?  Read it again;

(from Graybeard's post)
AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Ya gotta think like a lawyer.....notice the last two lines......"; nor shall any State deprive", and "; nor deny to any person"......it does not denote whether that person must be a citizen, illegal alien, or alien from another planet.

I will also concede the line of "No State shall make or enforce" as applying ONLY to citizens, and therefore opens up the creation of laws that apply ONLY to non-citizens, but then that is over-written by the last two sentences, which are separated by a semicolon, rather than a comma.

This is part of the document that our laws are based off of.  Are you now attempting to claim that it's wrong and should be altered?

Be very careful what you wish for.....a Constitutional Convention can also go very badly.

Roger

Anyone else note that the 14th does NOT limit the federal government, but just the STATES.  It's the fed's that are rounding them up, not the states.  Also, has nobody considered that when they are caught at the border, they are ejected with no court involvement.  Are you seriously claiming that if they are caught at the border they have no right of due process, but if they are caught 5, 10, 100 or 1000 miles inside the border that they suddenly gain due process rights?

[Dee]

Ummm.....guys?  Read it again;

(from Graybeard's post)
AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Ya gotta think like a lawyer.....notice the last two lines......"; nor shall any State deprive", and "; nor deny to any person"......it does not denote whether that person must be a citizen, illegal alien, or alien from another planet.

I will also concede the line of "No State shall make or enforce" as applying ONLY to citizens, and therefore opens up the creation of laws that apply ONLY to non-citizens, but then that is over-written by the last two sentences, which are separated by a semicolon, rather than a comma.

This is part of the document that our laws are based off of.  Are you now attempting to claim that it's wrong and should be altered?

Be very careful what you wish for.....a Constitutional Convention can also go very badly.

Roger

Anyone else note that the 14th does NOT limit the federal government, but just the STATES.  It's the fed's that are rounding them up, not the states.  Also, has nobody considered that when they are caught at the border, they are ejected with no court involvement.  Are you seriously claiming that if they are caught at the border they have no right of due process, but if they are caught 5, 10, 100 or 1000 miles inside the border that they suddenly gain due process rights?

Living in Texas I've duely noted this ongoing mess for years. The best thing to ever happen was when our governor shared the fun with other states, and started shipping the illegals north. Fun ain't it?
I listen to the northern states complain and smile. A larger percentage of the illegals that came across the border, never left Texas.

[Mule 11]

I must say you are right, when it’s in your face and personal it’s eye opening to say the least. Get them the hell out any way possible… I would help if I could. Any suggestions?

[Casull]

Ummm.....guys?  Read it again;

(from Graybeard's post)
AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Ya gotta think like a lawyer.....notice the last two lines......"; nor shall any State deprive", and "; nor deny to any person"......it does not denote whether that person must be a citizen, illegal alien, or alien from another planet.

I will also concede the line of "No State shall make or enforce" as applying ONLY to citizens, and therefore opens up the creation of laws that apply ONLY to non-citizens, but then that is over-written by the last two sentences, which are separated by a semicolon, rather than a comma.

This is part of the document that our laws are based off of.  Are you now attempting to claim that it's wrong and should be altered?

Be very careful what you wish for.....a Constitutional Convention can also go very badly.

Roger

Anyone else note that the 14th does NOT limit the federal government, but just the STATES.  It's the fed's that are rounding them up, not the states.  Also, has nobody considered that when they are caught at the border, they are ejected with no court involvement.  Are you seriously claiming that if they are caught at the border they have no right of due process, but if they are caught 5, 10, 100 or 1000 miles inside the border that they suddenly gain due process rights?

Living in Texas I've duely noted this ongoing mess for years. The best thing to ever happen was when our governor shared the fun with other states, and started shipping the illegals north. Fun ain't it?
I listen to the northern states complain and smile. A larger percentage of the illegals that came across the border, never left Texas.

I agree with you Dee, but the point I was making is that they have no due process rights under the 14th when it comes to action by the federal government.  The 14th is only a limit on state governments.

[Dee]

Ummm.....guys?  Read it again;

(from Graybeard's post)
AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Ya gotta think like a lawyer.....notice the last two lines......"; nor shall any State deprive", and "; nor deny to any person"......it does not denote whether that person must be a citizen, illegal alien, or alien from another planet.

I will also concede the line of "No State shall make or enforce" as applying ONLY to citizens, and therefore opens up the creation of laws that apply ONLY to non-citizens, but then that is over-written by the last two sentences, which are separated by a semicolon, rather than a comma.

This is part of the document that our laws are based off of.  Are you now attempting to claim that it's wrong and should be altered?

Be very careful what you wish for.....a Constitutional Convention can also go very badly.

Roger

Anyone else note that the 14th does NOT limit the federal government, but just the STATES.  It's the fed's that are rounding them up, not the states.  Also, has nobody considered that when they are caught at the border, they are ejected with no court involvement.  Are you seriously claiming that if they are caught at the border they have no right of due process, but if they are caught 5, 10, 100 or 1000 miles inside the border that they suddenly gain due process rights?

Living in Texas I've duely noted this ongoing mess for years. The best thing to ever happen was when our governor shared the fun with other states, and started shipping the illegals north. Fun ain't it?
I listen to the northern states complain and smile. A larger percentage of the illegals that came across the border, never left Texas.

I agree with you Dee, but the point I was making is that they have no due process rights under the 14th when it comes to action by the federal government.  The 14th is only a limit on state governments.

I think that is what I've been saying. The Pennsylvania/New York troll disagrees, but fails to point it out in said Amendment.

[Dee]

I must say you are right, when it’s in your face and personal it’s eye opening to say the least. Get them the hell out any way possible… I would help if I could. Any suggestions?

I have several but, at the present, all are prosecuteable.

[moamonkey]

As I see it; the constitution was written for ‘American citizens’. Why would it apply to people of any other nation? Coming here illegally doesn’t offer you the benefits of our citizenry or protections of ‘our’ constitution.

Someone breaking into my house doesn’t get dibs on the sofa. Just because he’s now in my house doesn’t make him part of my family. He’s here illegally.

[Dixie-Dude]

When Eisenhower took office, the Korean War ended and the unemployment rate was over 7%.  The took 1 million illegals, used boats and army buses and dumped them 200 to 400 miles into Mexico and dumped them off the beaches. 

The unemployment rate within a short time dropped to 5%.  Eisenhower said they were taking jobs from his returning troops. 

No one complained back then and illegals didn't vote or pay taxes.  Most were just farm hands.

When people came from Europe and wanted to register in the US, they had to go through Ellis Island.  We knew who were coming in and where they came from.  They were also given medical exams.  If they had any disease, they sent them back to where they came from on the next ship out.  If women were pregnant, they also sent them home because they didn't want their kids to become American citizens.

So, what part of registering at the border, with a passport, finding out who is coming in, whether they are criminals, diseased, or what ever, is hard for them to do.  One big problem is in their countries, they can't get a passport for over a year or two.  We offered to computerize Mexico's records, birth certificate, criminal records, etc.  Mexico refused our help. 

So arrest all the criminal illegals like Trump is doing first.  Then find all the unmarried men and women and send them home.  Then if an illegal is married to an American citizen, make them go through the citizenship school to become an American citizen BEFORE they can get any benefits.  Right now Trump only has enough people to go after those who have a criminal record in the US and in the country they were from.  This is not Gestopo tactics.  They are not being rounded up and sent to concentration camps, Trump is sending most back to their home country.  If they go to prison in their home country it is for a reason. 

[Dee]

I personally don't believe that marrying an American citizen gives an illegal alien the right to a fast track citizenship. Do that, and every casanova in south America and the middle east will be hookin up with every fat gal huntin a husband.