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Ohio Chernobyl..
« on: February 15, 2023, 03:38:58 AM »
What a mess !  A huge pollution mess and life threatening situation in East Palestine, Ohio, and our feckless leader won't even talk to the people about it !
 
  A real pollution catastrophe...and still spreading...  Where are all the Enviro~Whackos?  Why don't we hear from them?
  Perhaps it is because pipelines do not derail..

  I am told the alphabet networks are not doing a decent job of covering the mass destruction area.

  I guess in any case, it may be best described as a chemical "Ohio Chernobyl"..
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 04:48:19 AM »
Already reading how company's involved, are offering payouts to homeowners in the area. I wont post amounts as I'm not sure if they are to be accurate, but, if so, I'd kick the rep off my doorstep if true!
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 05:17:01 AM »
Saw that last night on Fox, thats some real bad stuff. Like the place had been nuked. How in the world are they going to clean this up? Fish and wildlife are dying, and acting crazy. That pic looks like a mushroom cloud.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 07:42:33 AM »
The following link is an "essay" on what will likely be the real problem with the plume of toxic smoke rising from the E. Palestine, Ohio train wreck.

The author of the essay, Eric F Coppolino, sure seems to know what he is talking about on this subject. (a "real" journalist, IMO, based on the details he went in to to write the article, and not afraid to share this sort of bad news with anyone who wishes to know. Apparently he covered many other disasters in the past, so has some background in such matters.)

The article linked below also has more links embedded in it for folks to gather more background information, if one cares to research to know more about it.
 ( Like folks "downwind" & "downstream" may wish to do. )

The main concern that the author brings up is the DIOXINs that are most likely being released by the burning of the VINYL CHLORIDE that was being transported on the trains.
VINYL CHLORIDE is one of the ingredients used to make PVC.
DIOXINS are TOXIC and VERY unhealthy. ( Think AGENT ORANGE, or worse.)
(More info is in the article as I wish to try to keep this comment relatively brief.)

Anyway, here is the article link:

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/palestine-ohio-train-wreck-its-the

ETA: I would have hoped to have been commenting about something Firearms related as a first comment here at GBO, but the info that is in the article may help folks be more informed about some of the possible bad effects, and the info could be passed on so folks who end up suffering the effects from this situation have as much info as possible about this toxin.
Besides, the media isn't talking about it much, and seem to rather talk about balloons & such. Likely because this Ohio situation is a very bad deal & they are covering for some folks by trying to keep the lid down on it.
IMO, anyway.


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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 08:02:36 AM »
Thanks and welcome JBinMn. I live in Ohio, although not close to were this happened. Toledo area, so quite likely at low risk from this fiasco, I hope. My son worked with an guy years ago when he was in Missouri, who he thinks lives in the Steubenville area now, which is pretty close to where this happened. He's trying to reach out and get in touch with him to find out the real deal, will post if he hears anything.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 08:07:25 AM »
The lack of FEMA and other Federal response is glaringly obvious. What the heck!!?? Maybe because Ohio tends to be a red state???

https://www.270towin.com/states/Ohio
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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2023, 08:57:05 AM »
I was waiting for somebody to mention this disaster, besides balloon hysteria.

This East Palestine chemical spill is bad, BAD,
APOCALYPTICALLY BAD. Somebody screwed up, and I wonder if sabotage played a part.

Look at the drainage pattern _ _ this contamination will likely reach the Mississippi River and affect dozens of public water facilities.
Thousands of acres of farmland affected by air fallout. Think of the real estate losses.

I'm getting that trains hauling first order poisonous materials are not to exceed 30mph, even slower thru urban areas, which would avoid enough kinetic energy to cause a derailment.
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  This hazmat "accident" is only one of an unusual number hazmat incidents which have occurred in the US recently.

  https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2023/02/15/east-palestine-train-derailment-is-the-latest-in-a-disturbing-trend-of-hazmat-incidents-along-americas-railways/

  We have had unusual numbers of Food plants catching fire. 
  https://www.city-journal.org/whats-behind-rash-of-fires-at-us-food-processing-facilities

  We have had our power grid attacked physically, as well as cyber wise..

  According to NPR;  How many power stations have been attacked?
Since then, there have been at least 18 more publicly reported attacks or potential attacks on substations and power plants in Florida, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, and Washington. Jan 9, 2023


        Nothing to see here folks...nothing to do with the known and unknown number of international  terrorists trying, and many apparently succeeding, to get into our country around a fence that has been abandoned..

  "When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.” (Vladimir Lenin)
 

     
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2023, 10:12:36 AM »
I was west 50 miles away from there as the crow flies and I was outside Sunday morning around 7 wondering who would get up that early to burn plastic?

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2023, 10:27:50 AM »
I was west 50 miles away from there as the crow flies and I was outside Sunday morning around 7 wondering who would get up that early to burn plastic?

People will probably have long term medical problems with this. Such a pretty place for this to happen. :(
I saw they were asking for bottled water. Clean Water bottled water is being brought in from Ozarka , they are from Texas.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2023, 12:47:19 PM »
The fallout and waterways will effect many as this is on the tributaries of the Ohio river. Have a look... The toxic mushroom cloud went high, wonder where it all went from there? I’m sure the alphabet news and govt will have an honest answer... Luckily the govt oversaw this Ohio Chernobyl and did their usual spectacular job...

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2023, 01:39:13 PM »
The following link is an "essay" on what will likely be the real problem with the plume of toxic smoke rising from the E. Palestine, Ohio train wreck.

The author of the essay, Eric F Coppolino, sure seems to know what he is talking about on this subject. (a "real" journalist, IMO, based on the details he went in to to write the article, and not afraid to share this sort of bad news with anyone who wishes to know. Apparently he covered many other disasters in the past, so has some background in such matters.)

The article linked below also has more links embedded in it for folks to gather more background information, if one cares to research to know more about it.
 ( Like folks "downwind" & "downstream" may wish to do. )

The main concern that the author brings up is the DIOXINs that are most likely being released by the burning of the VINYL CHLORIDE that was being transported on the trains.
VINYL CHLORIDE is one of the ingredients used to make PVC.
DIOXINS are TOXIC and VERY unhealthy. ( Think AGENT ORANGE, or worse.)
(More info is in the article as I wish to try to keep this comment relatively brief.)

Anyway, here is the article link:

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/palestine-ohio-train-wreck-its-the

ETA: I would have hoped to have been commenting about something Firearms related as a first comment here at GBO, but the info that is in the article may help folks be more informed about some of the possible bad effects, and the info could be passed on so folks who end up suffering the effects from this situation have as much info as possible about this toxin.
Besides, the media isn't talking about it much, and seem to rather talk about balloons & such. Likely because this Ohio situation is a very bad deal & they are covering for some folks by trying to keep the lid down on it.
IMO, anyway.

Welcome aboard...

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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2023, 01:53:29 PM »
Thanks and welcome JBinMn. I live in Ohio, although not close to were this happened. Toledo area, so quite likely at low risk from this fiasco, I hope. My son worked with an guy years ago when he was in Missouri, who he thinks lives in the Steubenville area now, which is pretty close to where this happened. He's trying to reach out and get in touch with him to find out the real deal, will post if he hears anything.

Thanks for the Welcome~!
:-)

I would hope that you, or anyone else that might have folks in any area affected would share what they can find out.

Sharing info is great. Particularly in situations like this.

Even though not nearby, I have family in West & Central VA that I am concerned about due to the predominate winds right now. These sorts of things are usually taken care of right there where it happens, but the "fall-out" that is down stream & down wind, is not always gonna get the attention that those folks should have offered to them.

I would think that most folks here are old enough to know what I mean by saying that above.


I think everyone who can help out others with info would be a great help .
I say that because as has been in the past, "The US Gubment" is not gonna do much to help out most folks in these types of situations">
At least, that is how it has been in the past for the most part. I don't seeing it change too much...
YMMV , of course.

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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2023, 01:57:58 PM »
The following link is an "essay" on what will likely be the real problem with the plume of toxic smoke rising from the E. Palestine, Ohio train wreck.

The author of the essay, Eric F Coppolino, sure seems to know what he is talking about on this subject. (a "real" journalist, IMO, based on the details he went in to to write the article, and not afraid to share this sort of bad news with anyone who wishes to know. Apparently he covered many other disasters in the past, so has some background in such matters.)

The article linked below also has more links embedded in it for folks to gather more background information, if one cares to research to know more about it.
 ( Like folks "downwind" & "downstream" may wish to do. )

The main concern that the author brings up is the DIOXINs that are most likely being released by the burning of the VINYL CHLORIDE that was being transported on the trains.
VINYL CHLORIDE is one of the ingredients used to make PVC.
DIOXINS are TOXIC and VERY unhealthy. ( Think AGENT ORANGE, or worse.)
(More info is in the article as I wish to try to keep this comment relatively brief.)

Anyway, here is the article link:

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/palestine-ohio-train-wreck-its-the

ETA: I would have hoped to have been commenting about something Firearms related as a first comment here at GBO, but the info that is in the article may help folks be more informed about some of the possible bad effects, and the info could be passed on so folks who end up suffering the effects from this situation have as much info as possible about this toxin.
Besides, the media isn't talking about it much, and seem to rather talk about balloons & such. Likely because this Ohio situation is a very bad deal & they are covering for some folks by trying to keep the lid down on it.
IMO, anyway.

Welcome aboard...

Thanks for the Welcome~!

I was on the prior forum before it became, "Re-Visited".

I do not post much on forums much anymore. Have had dissappointing results on a few places.
Some folks don't have the ability to look at things from someone elses perspective I reckon.

So,  I just lurk around most place & read what others have to say, & once in a while try to help out where I might, so as to not cause any issues with anyone. Try not to "upset the natives", as some would say.
Suits me, anyway.
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Thanks again to you & Gypsyman for the kind Welcome! :-)

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2023, 02:19:19 PM »
The following link is an "essay" on what will likely be the real problem with the plume of toxic smoke rising from the E. Palestine, Ohio train wreck.

The author of the essay, Eric F Coppolino, sure seems to know what he is talking about on this subject. (a "real" journalist, IMO, based on the details he went in to to write the article, and not afraid to share this sort of bad news with anyone who wishes to know. Apparently he covered many other disasters in the past, so has some background in such matters.)

The article linked below also has more links embedded in it for folks to gather more background information, if one cares to research to know more about it.
 ( Like folks "downwind" & "downstream" may wish to do. )

The main concern that the author brings up is the DIOXINs that are most likely being released by the burning of the VINYL CHLORIDE that was being transported on the trains.
VINYL CHLORIDE is one of the ingredients used to make PVC.
DIOXINS are TOXIC and VERY unhealthy. ( Think AGENT ORANGE, or worse.)
(More info is in the article as I wish to try to keep this comment relatively brief.)

Anyway, here is the article link:

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/palestine-ohio-train-wreck-its-the

ETA: I would have hoped to have been commenting about something Firearms related as a first comment here at GBO, but the info that is in the article may help folks be more informed about some of the possible bad effects, and the info could be passed on so folks who end up suffering the effects from this situation have as much info as possible about this toxin.
Besides, the media isn't talking about it much, and seem to rather talk about balloons & such. Likely because this Ohio situation is a very bad deal & they are covering for some folks by trying to keep the lid down on it.
IMO, anyway.

Welcome aboard...

Thanks for the Welcome~!

I was on the prior forum before it became, "Re-Visited".

I do not post much on forums much anymore. Have had dissappointing results on a few places.
Some folks don't have the ability to look at things from someone elses perspective I reckon.

So,  I just lurk around most place & read what others have to say, & once in a while try to help out where I might, so as to not cause any issues with anyone. Try not to "upset the natives", as some would say.
Suits me, anyway.
;-)

Thanks again to you & Gypsyman for the kind Welcome! :-)

Thank you for the information, it was a long read and good. Anyone affected should leave immediately. What is the fallout area despite the prevailing winds?

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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2023, 03:14:10 PM »


Thank you for the information, it was a long read and good. Anyone affected should leave immediately. What is the fallout area despite the prevailing winds?

I don't know that info about how the "fall-out" might go , prevailing winds or not.
In, MN, we generally have prevailing winds coming from out of the N.W. during the Winter, and that will usually change as the Spring & Summer come.

Not sure about how things work in the Mid Appalachians, or Eastern PA/W.VA/ Allegheny mtns,etc. any more. Seems to me that the winds also were N.W. like up here thru Winter then change in the Western part of VA, up against W.VA. border, but don't recall now.
Mtns have a way of mixing things up a bit.
Plus. I have not lived out that way for 30+ years & just don't recall.

Back a few days ago, I saw a wind direction chart , & I think it was a reliable source, that showed that the "plume/smoke" was heading towards the mid- Shenandoah valley direction, meaning Virginia crossing thru W.Va with parts of PA, possibly included.
 ( IOW, towards my own kinfolk, & where I used to live. Thus, more concern.
), but it was just a "possibility" deal.

If I get more info I will share it here.





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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2023, 05:38:09 PM »
Pipelines are better?
https://www.kake.com/story/48390098/ice-muck-and-a-dollar480-million-price-tag-the-keystone-oil-spill-cleanup-carries-on-in-kansas

      Things you may note..  At least they can clean up and cart away most oil spills, at least to a degree.  How well are
    they doing with regathering that toxic cloud?  Even with the Prince William Sound  "Exxon Valdez" ship catastrophe, there was much greater success at cleanup..
  One really messy oil spill was in the gulf of Mexico, shortly after Obama took office there was some kind of a 'accident' which caused a offshore well to rupture.  The Dutch immediately offered a ship that could skim the water and clean the oil off, aa they did in other locations of the world.  ..But for some reason Obama rejected their help, and the mess went on for months.

      And did Trump contribute to the problem?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-blame-ohio-train-derailment-1781163
GuzziJohn

   I knew we would eventually get round to "Trump did it" !  ..I don't know if that is a fact or not, but this I do know, as soon as sleazy Joe took office he went about cancelling as many of Trump's accomplishments as he could. With his "green" agenda, you would expect that would be one of the first things he  cancelled! No excuse, he's had two years,
  and the unions also asked him to put the extra brakes on the cars.  No excuse!!
   
  You need to turn from CNN and watch Newsmax now and then...and become better informed..you were told only half the story..  ..And that half of the story you got..was only half-true.

  My next post, I'll show you one reason why pipelines are safer..
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2023, 05:54:25 PM »
My son talked with his friend in Steubenville when he got home from work. Getting water hauled in, brushing his teeth with bottled water, still on high alert. This will take months/years to see the real effect. Chemicals will be in the Ohio river, going past Pittsburgh, Wheeling, WV, Marietta, Oh., Cincinnati, Oh., Louisville, and Paducah, KY. The chemicals in the atmosphere are pushing east, northern Pa., Connecticut, Mass. This is not going to turn out well!
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2023, 05:56:51 PM »
  Must have been about 20 years ago, while my sister & BIL were still living at North Pole, AK..when they sent me a picture of an oil spill caused by a stupid, drunk, "hunter", who shot a hole in the line.  Personally, I hope he got what was rightfully coming to him.
   In any case, at regular points along the line, there are sensors that keep track of pressure..any sense of lower pressure, signifying a leak..and it shuts down the nearest gates on either side, limiting the spill.

  My BIL drove truck on the ice road from it's from the very start of the pipeline, while my brother was mechanic  on all the caterpillar equipment on the line.
   The point being..even though there was quite a bit of crude spilled by the hole in the pipe, it was virtually all cleaned up..and after the soil was hauled to a reclaimation field, by a couple years..no more polluted soil.

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0109a/alaskapipelinespill.html

  The article says the dimwit shot the pipe with a .338.  I think that would be a tough chore even for that rifle.
  While my brother was working on the pipeline, he took a piece of the scrap, and acetylene cut out a map of Alaska..
  and welded a bead, showing the pipeline.
      That scrap piece of pipe looks about 1" thick to me, although admittedly, I have not looked closely, and since he cut the pipe at a severe angle to show the shore angles..it is rather tough guessing.
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2023, 06:13:08 PM »
My son talked with his friend in Steubenville when he got home from work. Getting water hauled in, brushing his teeth with bottled water, still on high alert. This will take months/years to see the real effect. Chemicals will be in the Ohio river, going past Pittsburgh, Wheeling, WV, Marietta, Oh., Cincinnati, Oh., Louisville, and Paducah, KY. The chemicals in the atmosphere are pushing east, northern Pa., Connecticut, Mass. This is not going to turn out well!

Thanks for your update of folks closer to the mess there in Ohio.

It is a BAD situation, not just there but for a lot of folks downwind & down stream.


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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2023, 12:28:36 AM »
There's all manners of poisonous
foo foo riding down the rails and
the interstates 24/7 that we never
know about

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2023, 02:26:43 AM »
A lot of ass covering going on now for the decision to light this mess on fire.
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2023, 03:25:05 AM »
My son hauled hazmat for years..  He immediately said..vinyl chloride is bad enough, but when they decided to burn it off is where things changed.  When it is burned Vinyl chloride turns to Phosgene.

  Phosgene was one of the ground-hugging gasses that the Germans used against the allies during WW1.  Many
  UK, French and US troops died from exposure to that,.

  Perhaps some veterans can remember their CBR training, where we were given a small sniff of various gasses, then we went through the "gas chamber" event (chlorine gas), but phosgene was one of the few gasses the Army didn't even want to give us a sniff of...

  BTW: Biden bowing to npressure ios to speak to the American people today about this subject..I can hear it now...

   "Good morning, I am here to speak with you on that situation in Ohio..you know..THAT THING..
      ,,But right now I am late for a haircut, so I will leave with you my press secretary, Jean-Pierre to answer any questions you may have."
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2023, 05:07:11 AM »
I just can't believe they didn't know the dangers of lighting this stuff on fire. I say they knew, and did it on propose for maximum effect. They knew what the chemical was. They knew the dangers of it, and they certainly knew what would happen when burning it.  Our government is evil and have been on a mission to destroy America. Anyone that can't see that isn't looking very hard.  I think our evil government is capable of anything to aid in the destruction of this country.

I do think that these food processing plants, and chicken farms burning down. Along with a couple train derailments of fertilizer are not just coincidences. Now we have a train derailment that carried a highly toxic chemical, and they lit it on fire. Who knows how many will die from this.   
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2023, 05:43:39 AM »
      They'll be some cheap  real estate there now, if they can even sell it   at all .  Sad to see people  caught in a  no win situation .

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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2023, 08:01:05 AM »
So a possible wheel bearing issue, and not enough time allowed for thorough inspections. Would think with the dangerous cargo being hauled safety would be at the utmost importance. When there is money to be made I guess safety plays second fiddle.

Where is homo Buttigieg in all this. Not a word from him. Probably hiding behind his husband. What a pathetic bunch that is running our government.  I suppose no more pathetic than those that voted for them. 
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Re: Ohio Chernobyl..
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2023, 02:59:31 PM »
Another "take" on the situation:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AeonAnimus/status/1625351099782770690

I could believe anything coming from the evil bunch that is running our country now.


...and this from a hazardous waste expert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj6CR9Dg7gw
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