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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2022, 09:16:20 AM »
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2022, 11:14:12 AM »
probably gets some flack over this statement but in my opinion the marlin semi autos and the old rem nylons both ran more reliably then a 10-22. Keep in mind my 22s rarely get cleaned. Matter of fact ive got one full sized smith ar thats probably got 10k through it and its never been cleaned. Only thing ive done is take the bolt out once in a while and wipe  it off. Which by the way is much easier then pulling the bolt out of a 10-22. This kind of reminded me that i intended on cleaning that thing. Oh well maybe tommarrow or next month. Or maybe next year. It just keeps running and the barrel isnt leaded. Isnt like im trusting my life to it anyway. Gave one away to my oldest grandson and his dad pissed and moaned that he wanted it. This little ones so much fun it will probably not get alot of use anymore so maybe ill let him clean it. What i should do is make a deal that if he cleans it ill give him my birch stocked 10-22.



From my limited experience, I would agree.  I've got a Marlin 60 that my dad bought me when I was 11.  I honestly can't remember it EVER jamming.  My brother in law has a 10-22 that I witnessed jam a half dozen times last year.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2022, 02:54:34 PM »
probably gets some flack over this statement but in my opinion the marlin semi autos and the old rem nylons both ran more reliably then a 10-22. Keep in mind my 22s rarely get cleaned. Matter of fact ive got one full sized smith ar thats probably got 10k through it and its never been cleaned. Only thing ive done is take the bolt out once in a while and wipe  it off. Which by the way is much easier then pulling the bolt out of a 10-22. This kind of reminded me that i intended on cleaning that thing. Oh well maybe tommarrow or next month. Or maybe next year. It just keeps running and the barrel isnt leaded. Isnt like im trusting my life to it anyway. Gave one away to my oldest grandson and his dad pissed and moaned that he wanted it. This little ones so much fun it will probably not get alot of use anymore so maybe ill let him clean it. What i should do is make a deal that if he cleans it ill give him my birch stocked 10-22.



From my limited experience, I would agree.  I've got a Marlin 60 that my dad bought me when I was 11.  I honestly can't remember it EVER jamming.  My brother in law has a 10-22 that I witnessed jam a half dozen times last year.

   Just can't buy it!  Not for me anyway.   I bought a very early 10/22  serial # 66_ _.  Yeah, 4 digits, in 1965 while I was overseas...   I passed it to my grandson about 5 years ago...never having experienced a jam.  That 10/22 was very accurate.
   My Marlins (60 & 795 for instance) , were more accurate that 10/22s from about 1967 on, but did on rare occasions, jam.
   My later 10/22s were also jam free..even though I replaced the barrels.  The one exception with the first custom barrel..some jams until the barrel was successfully aligned with the ejector

  My TCR22 seems to have the same qualities of jam free operation, but then I don't have thousands of rounds through it yet.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2022, 10:37:30 PM »
maybe its somewhat due to usage. Some take 2 boxes of ammo with them to the range and get home and clean there gun. ME? I take two bricks and might clean a 22 after 10 bricks. Thats a big MIGHT too. Ive only had one 10-22 that really shot what i consider accurately. it was one of those heavy barreled target guns with the twisted looking barrel. It shot great but i didnt like the weight so i sold it after a month. Id be willing if it was possible to sit down with you with a stack of 500 round bricks and do a shoot off with either one of my smith ar22s and your 1022 and id bet you a grand your 1022 would have problems and id still be shooting bricks later. Especially with cheap greased lead ammo. that old nylon rem? I dont know where it is today but id love to know the round count when i got rid of it and honesly i dont remember ever cleaning it other then running  a brush down the barrel. We didnt have internet back then to show us how to take one down to clean it properly.  Might have shot some carb cleaner into the action but that cost as much as another couple boxes of ammo so it sure wasnt done more then one or two times. this smith is the cats ass. It breaks open just like an ar with one pin and the bolt slides out and you can wipe it down and stick it back in in less then a minute. Dont get me wrong. I sure dont think a 10-22 is a pos. There actually built like a tank. But i sure wouldnt spend my money on another one. Maybe if they were under a 100 bucks like they used to be. But theres better choices out there today for your  money.
probably gets some flack over this statement but in my opinion the marlin semi autos and the old rem nylons both ran more reliably then a 10-22. Keep in mind my 22s rarely get cleaned. Matter of fact ive got one full sized smith ar thats probably got 10k through it and its never been cleaned. Only thing ive done is take the bolt out once in a while and wipe  it off. Which by the way is much easier then pulling the bolt out of a 10-22. This kind of reminded me that i intended on cleaning that thing. Oh well maybe tommarrow or next month. Or maybe next year. It just keeps running and the barrel isnt leaded. Isnt like im trusting my life to it anyway. Gave one away to my oldest grandson and his dad pissed and moaned that he wanted it. This little ones so much fun it will probably not get alot of use anymore so maybe ill let him clean it. What i should do is make a deal that if he cleans it ill give him my birch stocked 10-22.



From my limited experience, I would agree.  I've got a Marlin 60 that my dad bought me when I was 11.  I honestly can't remember it EVER jamming.  My brother in law has a 10-22 that I witnessed jam a half dozen times last year.

   Just can't buy it!  Not for me anyway.   I bought a very early 10/22  serial # 66_ _.  Yeah, 4 digits, in 1965 while I was overseas...   I passed it to my grandson about 5 years ago...never having experienced a jam.  That 10/22 was very accurate.
   My Marlins (60 & 795 for instance) , were more accurate that 10/22s from about 1967 on, but did on rare occasions, jam.
   My later 10/22s were also jam free..even though I replaced the barrels.  The one exception with the first custom barrel..some jams until the barrel was successfully aligned with the ejector

  My TCR22 seems to have the same qualities of jam free operation, but then I don't have thousands of rounds through it yet.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2022, 02:06:24 AM »
I’ve seen some ar 22’s sell for 3 to 400. You can almost get that out of a wood stocked 10-22. It’s got me thinkin.

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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2022, 02:21:29 AM »
Another semi-auto I have had, that can shoot with the best of 10/22s and Marlin 60s...is the low priced Savage 64F.
   Take note the entire action is steel...including the housing..a beautiful bit of machining in blue steel.

      The rifle worked fine...but the magazines were a pain  butt..so I no longer have it !

   No, I don't blow through hundreds if rounds at a sitting.  Once the rifle is well sighted in..why keep on punching holes?  It is ready to do it's job..unless one would like to practice a few quick shots or some other novelty practice.

   I never even longed for the "last round hold open" feature.  In target practice or sight adjustment, I can easily count the rounds expended..especially when dealing mostly in groups of three.
   ..And hunting, shouldn't need much more than 2-3 rounds.

   For the years I used a Marlin 336 for big game, I rarely loaded more than 2-3 rounds.  If I can't do it in 2-3 rounds, I don't deserve the game.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2022, 02:24:12 AM »
i liked the marlins too. I preferred the tube fed ones though. They held more ammo and seemed to feed better.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2022, 02:27:07 AM »
  BTW; I see Savage has brought out a 64F takedown..might be a good choice...but be ready with a 7 file to adjust magazines..

   Funny, but for a while the 64f in standard form,was selling for around $100.

   BTW; for some reason the 10/22s of the first couple year's production, were great shooters.  When I first got mine while stationed in Germany, i got a cheapie Weaver C4   22 scope on it.  off I went to the civilian (German) range.
  Talking to some of the locals there, who were shooting German made single shot, slim barrels. they looked my gun over, saying  "Aach automatisch"..
    Later, going back to their table with my target from the 50 meter range..I dropped it on their table with 10 holes in a dime size group, while saying... "automatisch" !

   No, later stock 10/22s did not shoot as well.  I have since heard that the early barrels were produced for Ruger by a proprietary firm...   Perhaps nearby Green mountain?
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2022, 04:20:52 AM »
I don't know about other's experiences with 10-22s, but mine have been very positive.  As far as accuracy goes, like any rifle they prefer certain ammo - I'm not saying you have to use expensive stuff either.  As far as cheaper stuff goes, mine tend to like Blazer LRN 40gr.  In all 6 of my 10-22s those are capable of consistent sub-1/2" 5-shot groups at 25 meters, and one of them produces 1/4" groups at 25 meters using that ammo. (These are all factory barrels with cheap scopes too, no target barrels with high-end glass.) I could probably do better with more expensive ammo but that is good enough for me to score Distinguished Rifleman at Appleseed events.

As far as cleaning goes, my 10-22s get cleaned once a year at the end of the season.  They all get used at multiple high-round count events during the season since I run teen camp and family camp range days every year, and loan out my rifles for those that need them at Appleseed events, and each range day and event sees a brick of ammo or more through each rifle.  I don't see more than a single malfunction out of all of the rifles during a typical season (other than failure to fire from poorly primed bulk ammo).

Likewise, my friends that have 10-22s report similar experiences, and I see a lot of other 10-22s at Appleseed events and those don't seem to have issues with malfunctions or accuracy either.  I suppose some people have bad experiences with them, just like any man-made mechanical devices some are going to be better than others, and inevitably there are going to be lemons now and again.  But overall they are great rifles with a well-deserved reputation for reliability and accuracy.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2022, 08:48:01 AM »
 Never heard of Appleseed events. I’m interested and will look it up.

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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2022, 02:34:34 PM »
Never heard of Appleseed events. I’m interested and will look it up.
go to www.appleseedinfo.org - they are an organization that seeks to revive and preserve the American tradition of Riflemen.  They teach the fundamentals of rifle marksmanship while prone, sitting/kneeling, and standing, with only you, your rifle, and a sling.  Many folks who think they know how to shoot a rifle are humbled by the results they see on paper during this event.  On top of marksmanship, they also teach American history and heritage, specifically about the events surrounding the beginning of the American Revolution (April 19th, not July 4th).

The events are typically a Saturday and Sunday, and are remarkably affordable - usually around $60.  You'd be hard pressed to find better training for that price, much less any cheaper.

If you have any questions, let me know.  I've attended many of their events, from the introductory events up through full distance events at known and unknown ranges.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2022, 02:40:17 PM »
Never heard of Appleseed events. I’m interested and will look it up.
go to www.appleseedinfo.org - they are an organization that seeks to revive and preserve the American tradition of Riflemen.  They teach the fundamentals of rifle marksmanship while prone, sitting/kneeling, and standing, with only you, your rifle, and a sling.  Many folks who think they know how to shoot a rifle are humbled by the results they see on paper during this event.  On top of marksmanship, they also teach American history and heritage, specifically about the events surrounding the beginning of the American Revolution (April 19th, not July 4th).

The events are typically a Saturday and Sunday, and are remarkably affordable - usually around $60.  You'd be hard pressed to find better training for that price, much less any cheaper.

If you have any questions, let me know.  I've attended many of their events, from the introductory events up through full distance events at known and unknown ranges.
Thanks for the link. I’ll look into it.

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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2022, 03:59:45 PM »
As far as 22lr rounds go, I like the CCI 22lr plated round nose mini-mags.  They penetrate better than anything else I have tried.  I don't like hollow points, especially in a survival situation with a 22.  Hollow points may be ok for squirrels and rabbits, but for larger game or for self defence, the solids penetrate deeper.  I've read where people have used them to kill deer at 50 yards either poaching or for survival food.  They are also more consistantly accurate.  The cheap Lightnings and Wildcats are just that.  Maybe for target practice punching holes.  Not for hunting. 
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2022, 09:56:54 PM »
In a perfect world id buy all the mini mags i could but today your looking at near 10 bucks a box. If i had to pick one 22lr shell for all my guns it would be the rem golden bullet and like you id prefer they not be hps. Over the years thats the ammo that across the board has given me the best accuracy thats still reasonalby priced. I keep bricks of it in my stash and shoot up the lead cheaper bullets for plinking. Plated winchester power points are another good one.
As far as 22lr rounds go, I like the CCI 22lr plated round nose mini-mags.  They penetrate better than anything else I have tried.  I don't like hollow points, especially in a survival situation with a 22.  Hollow points may be ok for squirrels and rabbits, but for larger game or for self defence, the solids penetrate deeper.  I've read where people have used them to kill deer at 50 yards either poaching or for survival food.  They are also more consistantly accurate.  The cheap Lightnings and Wildcats are just that.  Maybe for target practice punching holes.  Not for hunting.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2022, 01:46:13 AM »
For me, taking all into account..performance, quality manufacture, accuracy, function and especially dependability.....the golden standard is still CCI mini-mags..shooter's choice, RP or HP !
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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2022, 02:46:18 AM »
might be great ammo but this guy aint paying a 100 bucks a brick for them when i can buy rem golden bullets for half that.
For me, taking all into account..performance, quality manufacture, accuracy, function and especially dependability.....the golden standard is still CCI mini-mags..shooter's choice, RP or HP !
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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2022, 03:43:40 AM »
Like I said, I use cheaper ones to practice with and plink.  I use the Mini Mags to hunt with, and only a few to sight in. 
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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2022, 07:21:30 AM »
...And as I said, since I don't blow away a brick at a sitting...CCIs are still the choice for me.
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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2022, 08:46:42 AM »
I just love the 22. It’s the coolest thing since fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2022, 11:42:17 AM »
I just love the 22. It’s the coolest thing since fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy.

   Me too..I am now less inclined to do much less big game , and more small game & predators.

    I always liked rimfires best, and now I find rimfires can take me up through coyotes.

   A couple years ago, I gave all my reloading supplies & equip to a grandson, whatever I may need in centerfires, he will reload for me.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2022, 12:48:40 PM »
All around CCI Mini Mag HPs have been the most accurate ammo I have fed a large variety of rimfire rifles and handguns over the years. I've done many comparisons in many different guns and hands down they outshot the rest, maybe not by a lot with some but they almost always were most accurate or next to most accurate.

Still they are not and never have been all I shoot. I prolly have a dozen or more different types of ammo here including a huge stock of the CCI HPs I bought in bulk back before prices went crazy.

Honestly Lloyd I'm not paying $50 a brick for any rimfire ammo. First I don't have to as I likely have a life time supply on hand now and even if I do run out I'll just hold off on shooting until some semblance of normality returns. As long as folks keep paying those outlandish prices, folks will keep charging them.

On the subject of the Ruger 10-22 which has been heavily discussed here, I do have one and it's the only one I've ever owned. Mine is a Mannlicher stocked gun with the black and gray laminate I love so much. I've not really tried to see just how tiny of groups it can shoot but it hits all the steel targets I have on the range even the real small ones so it's as accurate as my needs are these days.


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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2022, 05:22:59 PM »
For what it's worth, Blazer is made on CCI's production lines, same as the beloved, and more expensive MiniMags.  If you haven't tried the Blazer .22LR ammo, you really should.
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Re: My view of certain .22 LR rounds.
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2022, 05:28:12 PM »
I have tried it and have a bunch of it on hand. It's good but for whatever reason so far it hasn't proved as accurate as the mini mags for me. It is plenty accurate for the plinking I do these days.


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« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2022, 01:02:44 AM »
  There is such variety, that one need not stick entirely to one product, variety after all, is part of the game
  I have even made a device where I can flatten the nose and very lightly compress the round, making any RN into the old flattened gamepoint round.
    I have many rounds of different types in my locker..from CB Caps up through the mags and HMRs.

   Personally, I think the rimfires are more capable than many give them credit for.  A .17 HMR, turning a coyotes brain or lungs to mush ..is just as effective as a .223.

  A fox of a few years ago, called in by 'kissing my hand"..100 yards 17HMR Hornady..DRT !
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