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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2013, 02:16:00 PM »
Just because they are the best places to start a business does not mean they are the best places to work.
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2013, 02:30:56 PM »
Just because they are the best places to start a business does not mean they are the best places to work.
Logic would show you are wrong.
It may not be beach front property with year round 75 degree climate but....
You have the best chance of living the American dream of having a job that pays well enough to raise a family, own a house, and have disposable income to buy wants after meeing your family's needs. 
The more jobs that are available creates higher wages / salaries and more benefits  to keep the skilled  and trained workers.  The more people moving to the area creates higher prices ofr houses and creates more jobs building them, and with more people more property, income or sales  taxes are collected (at the smaller rates ) to fund schools and  government services.  But not over reaching as to add to the prices that cause excessive loss of disposable incomes and starting the decline of the economy.   
With higher taxes, fewer jobs, and lots of regulations even if it is 75 and sunny 300 days a year if you can not afford the American dream I will argue that it is not a great place to live. 

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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2013, 01:34:33 AM »
  Living in high-tax, least free, New York State... I can tell you the hunting and fishing is getting better here.  Animals sure like to live around those deserted homes and farms! ;)   Plus with so many leaving, there is less pressure on our great trout fishing streams... as well as the Great lakes and Finger Lakes..
  High taxes and less freedom drives people out... but Lefties never seem to get the word...
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2013, 04:28:51 AM »
Just because they are the best places to start a business does not mean they are the best places to work.

Everyone can't work in a pie factory . It's called work not fun time its called work cause the other 4 letter words were already taken.  ::)
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2013, 04:49:50 AM »
Minimum wage jobs are not enough to buy a house and raise a family. People working those jobs can't afford any of that. Having more minimum wage jobs in an area just means MORE people that can't afford any of that. That's why the south is so great a place to start a new business--- look at Alabama and Mississippi. Both places have low wages and lots of poverty. Saying that those same places are great for the employees is inside out logic.
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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2013, 07:37:35 AM »
So you think it's low wages instead of more people that will buy the product ? I can't say about the other cities but Va. in general and Va Beach in this case has what people call a educated/ trained work force. Much of the business is Military/govt related and often there are wage requirements associated with the jobs.
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2013, 11:31:21 AM »
minimum wage is entry level work. If someone wants to earn more money they should go learn a marketable skill or trade instead of pissing and moaning about how they cant afford this or that.
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2013, 12:48:45 PM »
Just under 60% of all workers over 16 make minimum wage or less. They aren't buying many products other than food and rent.
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2013, 02:40:24 PM »
minimum wage is entry level work. If someone wants to earn more money they should go learn a marketable skill or trade instead of pissing and moaning about how they cant afford this or that.

Exactly, minimum wage jobs are not for supporting a family. Its something liberals can't quite grasp. I guess thats why they are always whining about raising the minimum wage, which just reduces the amount of minimum wage jobs available, and hurts the very people that rely on those jobs like high school and college kids.

CDQ, wonder what percent of that 60% you claim that are making minimum wage are high school kids or college kids? I figure some of that 60% are also college grads that chose one of the many useless majors like fine arts, literature, theater, or fashion design.  The idea is to make yourself valuable to a business that is willing to pay you a wage you are satisfied with. Thats done either by getting an education in a field that there are actually jobs for, or make yourself fit for hard labor that many don't want to do anymore. That would include being on time and not missing work. Not drinking alcohol, or taking drugs, along with not being over weight. Many companies are in need of just plain ole good employees. Many businesses are willing to put forth the money to train good employees on the job, because they know there will be a return.         
Since there are so many government goodies being handed out, its just easier to hold your hand out, and complain about minimum wage jobs not being enough.

Its a fact, cities that are business friendly are the least apt to be in financial trouble, and have more jobs available. Cities that are in financial trouble are cities that are not business friendly, and have been under democratic rule for a decade or so.     
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2013, 02:55:41 PM »
Minimum wage jobs are not enough to buy a house and raise a family. People working those jobs can't afford any of that. Having more minimum wage jobs in an area just means MORE people that can't afford any of that. That's why the south is so great a place to start a new business--- look at Alabama and Mississippi. Both places have low wages and lots of poverty. Saying that those same places are great for the employees is inside out logic.
You really need to take a couple Economic classes to understand how wrong you really are.
Forst of all Min Wage jobs are beginner jobs.  They are not something you raise a family on.  Unless you are a dope smoking moron that dropped out of high school and has no ambition but to get high you will move up and go from Min Wage to more.  I used to hire min wage workers and double their pay if I saw they awere busting their buts at the entry level job. 
What else you do not understand is the large labor pool starts out with low wages but as new companies start up or locate there the price for labor will rise as more positions open up.  Lots of people and few jobs = low wages  lots of jobs and few workers = high pay and people moving to the areas that are paying more.  More pay = Higher houseing prices  and more housing being built either as houses, condos, or apartments.  As proof you only need look at China.  In the 80's there were not jobs in China and the State realized they needed to embrace capitalism and build factories to take advantage of the cheap labor.  That cheap labor is no longer cheap!  Multi million Dollar apartment buildings have been built to house the influx of workers to fill the factories.  Those higher paying jobs and seeing the consumer goods they are making has created demands for those goods.  Disposable incomes have allowed them to buy those items and create a larger economy.   
The South, the South West and Texas see the possibility to expand their economies and are asking for business to start up there.
When you look at the cities that are traditionally the manufacturing centers of the country, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, the Unions have taken over and the Unions are no longer out for the memebr of the union but are for the Union and are willing to throw the memebers under the buss to protect them selves and give them selves more money.  Look at he UFW United Farm Workers here in CA are now trying to pass a law that gives the Union 3% of the workers pay.  so they can give more to the Democrat party at ellections and pay them selves a 20% pay increase.  OS the union gets more money, the politicians get more $ and the workers get screwed.  Sounds exactly like what you think the Capitalists are doing when it is the Democrats and the Unions that are supose to be for them.
 

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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2013, 03:01:57 PM »
Just under 60% of all workers over 16 make minimum wage or less. They aren't buying many products other than food and rent.
95% of all statistics are made up or massaged to make a point. 
I call FERTILIZER!!!!!! on your numbers.  How many people do you know that are making Minimum wage where you work?  Clearly 60% of the should be if your numbers are correct. 
Or are you saying that Obama and his destructive policies are not creating jobs?  Are you telling us we need to get rid of all the Democrats and stop listening to their silly ideas becasue clearly they are not working if your numbers are correct.
And maybe you numbers are for ILLEGALS where most are working at fast food places that were the jobs of high school and college kids that are now illegals trying to send $ home and willing to work for minimum where High school and college kids are not especally in higher income areas. 

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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2013, 03:14:37 PM »
The point is, if everybody else QUIT their jobs, there would still not be enough good jobs to go around. In 1969, my stepdad was a master cabinetmaker and interior carpenter. He was happy as he could be when he made it to $4 an hour. Our house cost about $9000--- we got it for $6500, because the mortgage banks were regulated, and when someone defaulted on the loan, like the PO of our house, the bank could not simply repo it and sell it again for full price without offering it first for someone qualified to take over the payments. A loaf of bread was 15 cents. Fast forward to now. Bread is $3 a loaf--- 20 times what it cost then. If wages had kept up with cost, a carpenter today would make $80 an hour. You've been selling your labor more and more cheaply over the years to the point you all think poverty is normal.
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2013, 03:42:10 PM »
The point is, if everybody else QUIT their jobs, there would still not be enough good jobs to go around. In 1969, my stepdad was a master cabinetmaker and interior carpenter. He was happy as he could be when he made it to $4 an hour. Our house cost about $9000--- we got it for $6500, because the mortgage banks were regulated, and when someone defaulted on the loan, like the PO of our house, the bank could not simply repo it and sell it again for full price without offering it first for someone qualified to take over the payments. A loaf of bread was 15 cents. Fast forward to now. Bread is $3 a loaf--- 20 times what it cost then. If wages had kept up with cost, a carpenter today would make $80 an hour. You've been selling your labor more and more cheaply over the years to the point you all think poverty is normal.
I agree, that wages have not kept pace with the prices of goods.  I had a similar argument with my father and grandfather when I was 30.  They asked how I was making X and did not own a house.  I then said to Dad what was the price of the house in relationship to your salary, he said 3X.  I asked what he paid for the Stationwagon he said about 25%  and then I asked what is total taxes were in relationship to his pay.  He said about 20 to 25% when you included Sales and use taxes. 
I said lets fast forward to today.  Would you sell me the house for 3X may pay.  He said no was chaep by about 1/2.  Dad just bought a new Suburban that was a good replacement for the station wagon and it was 1.3 X may annual salary at the time.  and then I tild him that the total taxes I am paying are 45 to 50%. 
The increase in total taxes make it so I can not buy as much and only raise taxes.  Remember price = Costs+ Profits+ TAXES the higher the taxes the higher the price making things more expensive.  Costs and proifits have remained the same for hte most part in relationship it is the taxes that are way out of protortion.  Again Falied liberal policies.  Higher taxes equal higher prices and more people in poverty.  Lowering taxes across the board will create more jobs and will raise the standard of living and bring more people out of poverty.
Oh and with your house that you bought below the market.  What happened to the $2500 that the first owner paid into the house?  Clearly you made out on the poor person that lost his job, got sick, or was not able to pay the taxes on the property.  Don't you think after that person was evicted they couls have used the equity they built up in the house to restart their life instead of being in poverty and on welfare?  Unless the object of the government  bank regulations was to create poor peopel that the government that made the rules could take care of. 

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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2013, 01:26:57 AM »
Just under 60% of all workers over 16 make minimum wage or less. They aren't buying many products other than food and rent.

 
Actually it's less than 40% not 60% and included are people who work part time , serve tables and receive tips, farm workers who get housing and food etc. But hey why cloud the issue with facts ?
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« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2013, 04:08:35 AM »
My figures come straight from the US Department of Labor. And, by the way, the same site states that high school and college kids are about 6% of the labor force, so over half of the workers in this country are still minimum wage or below. I think it's revealing that some of you blame higher taxes rather than the 75% or so wages you've lost over the years because they have not kept up with the cost of living. I might as well argue that YOUR children have cost me thousands of dollars in tax deductions that I couldn't take because I never had kids of my own. AND I had a stepson, who was always claimed on his father's taxes, so I got most of the expense of raising him and none of the breaks.
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« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2013, 04:34:14 AM »
And you trust that ? Give the address so we can see .I checked the DoL site with no results.  Do they include govt. jobs ? do they include military ? How about kids under 20 ?
And why have wages fallen ?
Do you notice when min wage increases two things happen , first cost goes up and gets passed on and there become less min wage jobs. So we pay more and make less .
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« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2013, 05:22:27 AM »
QDC,
You see what you want to see and what is not reality.
Yes incomes have not kept up with costs, on the flip side of that the wage paid for a full time employee is about 75% of what the company actually pays for that employee.
So let's take your Stepfather and his $4 an hour making a cabinnet. 
So let
s just put some numbers to that cabinet.  Let's say it take your Stepfather 2 hours to make the cabinet. and the lumber, nails, stain, hardware and varnish are $10 and shippjng another $2 for   So far the costs are $20 for the cabinet.  and let's take the total taxes at 25%  so $5 for local, state, and federal taxes.   and the profit is going to be 25% or $5 To keep thing rounded  so using the formula the price = Costs + Profit + taxes = $30.  At the time your stepfather needed to beable to cut the wood while minimizing waste of the wood, fit the pieces together, hide the nales and make the product pretty so people will want it.
Let's fast forward to to day.
Paying the carpenter who loads lumber into a machine that measures, cuts, and then he loads the cut wood into a JIG that then nails the peices together.  It gets sanded, primes, stained, and varnished all in a paint booth and the worker with a machine can now make 20 of the same units an hour.  taxes are up to 50%  In San Francisco the cabinet shops have California EPA people there fining any time they open a container of varnish or stain for the VOC content adding another $10 a unit in fines.
Now the wages your step father was paid in the 60's was a wage, now you have fica contributions aof 2:1, vacation pay, sick pay, 401K contributions, Medical insurance (even if it is partial)  So that $12 an hour is actually $16 an hour with all the hidden costs that the company pays in the form of hidden taxes and benefits.   And yes taxes have gone up you are now paying about 50% in taxes, not to mention the added taxes on fuel and power.  That doubleing in taxes has effected prices, and material costs but not labor. 
Costs have gone way up, and the skill level needed to make the same product have gone down, lower skills less money.  and profits have gone down since the 60's by about 20%.  So if it was 25% in the 60's it is now 20% due to automation and transprotation that have increased compitition.  Taht compitition has kept prices lower. 
But why should logic effect your thinking. 
And yes the higher the taxes on all levels the less buying power you have for two reasons.  One is it drives up prices, two is it takes money out of your pocket directly and little tax increases like a 1/2 percent on a slaes tax, a percent on your income tax all transfer $ from you to government making your salary worth less and lowers your buying power.  And the less you make the more impact a small tax increase will effect you.    So the Democrats that keep saying we need to rasie taxes to help the poor are only hurting them the most.  But I think that is the goal.  Remember we have a govenment that needs poor people to help them and grow their budget and cubical kingdoms. 
I also notice you did not comment on where the $2500 went that your stepfather gained when he bought a reposesed house?  Did you live cheap at the cost of a widow?  an old couple?  Or someone that lost their job due to government introvention?  It could not have been the evil bank as they did not get the $2500.  Your stepfather did.  But that should not matter to you.all you care about is thinking that any and every company is evil and government is good and more taxes are better for the poor when all it does is hurt them by pushing jobs off shore, by shrinking the economy, by making wants further and further out of reach as you make the needs cost more.
But logic has never stopped the liberals from pushing their adgenda to ruin the economy so they can create a socialist paradise and throw away the constitution and the bill of rights. 
 
 

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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2013, 05:24:58 AM »
And QDC.
If you can show me how raising taxes will make the product cheaper to make and cheaper to sell so more can be sold,  I would love to see it. 

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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2013, 05:34:20 AM »
QDC there are tradesmen who make 80 an hour , they are truly qualified not wood butchers though. I know plumbers here that make in that range with benefits included. So a bit more. But they are on jobs that require a vey high level of skill and knowledge.
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« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2013, 01:08:21 AM »
Using your inside out "logic," explain why the economy has historically improved whenever the minimum wage is increased. And, FWIW, when he bought that house, my stepdad was actually helping out the previous owner, his cousin, who got a better paying job (up north, of course) and wanted somebody to take over payments to protect his credit. The problem with you bubble dwellers is you're simply repeating wack-job "conservative" theory, while I am giving you facts and real life experiences. Also, in the fantasy depicted above, you ignore the fact that Reagan cut SSI by 30% while doubling the witholdings on 98% of wage earners, cutting taxes on the rich by 60%, and, nearly doubling income taxes on all but the rich after raising our taxes 11 times in 8 years. Those are facts, not theory. Theory is the BS reasons Reagan gave to do all that--- theory that has proven wrong the past 40 years. Sure, there are a few tradesmen who make higher wages--- the average is about half of that. Fact, not theory.
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« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2013, 02:25:05 AM »
Using your inside out "logic," explain why the economy has historically improved whenever the minimum wage is increased. Has it ? If that is true why does money buy less today ? Why has disposable income dropped ? And, FWIW, when he bought that house, my stepdad was actually helping out the previous owner, his cousin, who got a better paying job (up north, of course) and wanted somebody to take over payments to protect his credit. The problem with you bubble dwellers is you're simply repeating wack-job "conservative" theory, while I am giving you facts and real life experiences. Also, in the fantasy depicted above, you ignore the fact that Reagan cut SSI by 30% while doubling the witholdings on 98% of wage earners, cutting taxes on the rich by 60%, and, nearly doubling income taxes on all but the rich after raising our taxes 11 times in 8 years. Those are facts, not theory. Theory is the BS reasons Reagan gave to do all that--- theory that has proven wrong the past 40 years. Sure, there are a few tradesmen who make higher wages--- the average is about half of that. Fact, not theory. Fact there are tradesmen who make half that , why because they live in places with lower cost of living but more important they don't work on jobs with Bacon Davis wages (you do know what that is correct ? Inflated wages mandated by govt. contract  ;) ) Your facts show your source , list it your ref. to the DOL didn't work.
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« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2013, 03:33:53 AM »
Using your inside out "logic," explain why the economy has historically improved whenever the minimum wage is increased. And, FWIW, when he bought that house, my stepdad was actually helping out the previous owner, his cousin, who got a better paying job (up north, of course) and wanted somebody to take over payments to protect his credit. The problem with you bubble dwellers is you're simply repeating wack-job "conservative" theory, while I am giving you facts and real life experiences. Also, in the fantasy depicted above, you ignore the fact that Reagan cut SSI by 30% while doubling the witholdings on 98% of wage earners, cutting taxes on the rich by 60%, and, nearly doubling income taxes on all but the rich after raising our taxes 11 times in 8 years. Those are facts, not theory. Theory is the BS reasons Reagan gave to do all that--- theory that has proven wrong the past 40 years. Sure, there are a few tradesmen who make higher wages--- the average is about half of that. Fact, not theory.
Wait the story now changes from the Bank sold you the repossesed house for 2500 less and it was the Government regulations that did not allow the Bank to make money on it.  To it is now a take over and he paid the bank and the previous owner. 
Either it was the great bank regulations that made it possible for your step father to buy the house or it was a private short sell, or it was a take over and a cash buy out even if it was over time. 
The story changes so much that I call fertilizer! 
And while the bump in Min wages is a short term increase in the economy as people have more disposable income for the short term.  As old products are on the shelf.  As new products replace the stuff on the shelf reflecting the new prices showing the increase in labor costs.  Also remember that Profit is set on costs.  So if you have 10% profits and you raise costs by 10%  in a min wage raise it will reflect an 11% raise in prices.  Giving the Min wage people 99% of the buying power they had before the raise.  Another false premise by the liberals thinging that a min wage job can feed a family when all it does is create more people needing government help and having less disposable income. 
So either you want to create new and better paying jobs and leave min wage jobs as entry level or you want to set the economy back and give less disposable income and buying power across the work force and it hurts people on fixed incomes and depending on Social Security most. 
You really need to take a few Economic classes so you can think through the trash someone is telling you that goes exactly the opposite of what you say is your goal. 
Unless your goal is to ruin the economy and hurt the poor, retired, and the middle class while helping the Rich.,   

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« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2013, 06:37:07 AM »
FACTs have nothing to do with this topic.
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« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2013, 06:39:49 AM »
He continues to force the idea capitalism does not work when in fact it is the only one that reacts to market conditions in a positive way. Not perfect and some can lose but it is better that the ridged communist or social markets that have yet to show any long term success. 
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« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2013, 10:43:03 AM »
Using your inside out "logic," explain why the economy has historically improved whenever the minimum wage is increased.

If this is true, please explain how the economy improved because of a mandated minimum wage hike. The first fundamental law of demand is that the higher the cost of something, the less people will buy it, and the lower cost of something the more people will buy it. It doesn't take much deep thinking to figure that out. It must be your assumption that companies will just eat the cost of increased minimum wages. It always has been, and always will be the buyers that eat those costs due to increased minimum wages. Also when minimum wages are increased there are not as many of those jobs to be had.
If increasing the minimum wage is good for the economy, we should all petition government to mandate it at 20 bucks an hour. Or why not even 30. The economy would really be booming then, right?   

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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2013, 03:50:39 PM »
all I know is even Henry ford knew enough to pay his workers a just wage because he wanted all who worked in his plant the ability to be able to buy the product they were building, and thus grow his own company prosperity in the process. 


If folks are paid substandard wages they have no $$ to purchase goods and services so products sit on shelves. No discretionary monies in peoples pockets no economic growth. No economic growth no company expansion. No company expansion , no additional employment opportunities. No additional employment opportunities no healthy economy. 

The middle class are the backbone and the true Job creators. Pay them poorly and corporations reap what they sow, economies stagnate or falter.

Keep outsourcing and off shoring middle class jobs in return for SHORT term corporate profits is not a LONG term strategy in Americas best interest.

Pop some popcorn and stay in your seat .. I'm sure the economic collapse show will certainly play again.
 
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2013, 04:48:21 AM »
Gentlemen,


   Most of the new, modern, industrial plants pay far more than minimum wage.  Where did you get such an idea?


   No, they don't pay you $55 an hour to turn a screw, but they typically pay two to three times the minimum wage, plus benefits.


   When Toyota built its new axle assembly plant in West Memphis, Arkansas, about 8 years ago, they came to a destitute county where the only jobs were minimum wage positions at the truck stops, and created 150 new jobs, starting at $18 per hour plus benefits.  Believe you me, the local folks were absolutely overjoyed at this new plant.  It changed the economy of the entire county.   I know this, because I did the legal work on this project for Toyota for two years and drafted the employment agreements.




   Texas, Tennessee and Mississippi have all reaped the benefits of multiple new automobile manufacturing plants over the past 15 years, which on average cost a half a billion each to build ($500 million.).   All of these pay far more than minimum wage, again generally two to three times to start, plus benefits.


   There is a reason that the states bend over backwards to get these factories built in their local.   They boost thousands of people up from abject poverty to at least the first rung of the middle class.  They engender dozens of other new companies and plants to be built up around them by the parts suppliers (batteries, tires, electronics), creating even more jobs.  And, they result in the state to build massive infrastructure to support them (new highways, new gas pipelines, new sewer lines and treatment centers, and new electronic substations) creating even more jobs.


    I consider it amusing that folks from other parts of the country think these new factories are terrible things.  Why don't you go ask the people who live there if they'd rather go back to picking cotton and beans for $6 an hour and living in house trailers?  They will tell you they wouldn't.


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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2013, 08:47:11 AM »
all I know is even Henry ford knew enough to pay his workers a just wage because he wanted all who worked in his plant the ability to be able to buy the product they were building, and thus grow his own company prosperity in the process. 


If folks are paid substandard wages they have no $$ to purchase goods and services so products sit on shelves. No discretionary monies in peoples pockets no economic growth. No economic growth no company expansion. No company expansion , no additional employment opportunities. No additional employment opportunities no healthy economy. 

The middle class are the backbone and the true Job creators. Pay them poorly and corporations reap what they sow, economies stagnate or falter.
 
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Henry Ford didn't have Chrysler, GM, Toyota, honda, etc.. to compete against either. Wage costs should be the decision of the owner of the business, not the decision of a bunch of bureaucrats.   

Lets say a small business has 10 employees working an entry level position making minimum wage. If the wage is federally mandated to raise $2.10 per hour like it was in 09, that is an increase of business costs of $3360 per month. That business then has to increase its cost to consumers, reduce its number of employees, reduce hours worked by its employees, or reduce benefits. Its a simple matter of arithmetic, not the result of unsympathetic, mean spirited employers. Just wonder what the 41% raise in the minimum wage had to do with the recession?
The same people that complain about businesses moving off shore to do business, are the same people that want the federal government or states to mandate wage costs for those businesses.         
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2013, 09:13:21 AM »
Gentlemen,


   Most of the new, modern, industrial plants pay far more than minimum wage.  Where did you get such an idea?


   No, they don't pay you $55 an hour to turn a screw, but they typically pay two to three times the minimum wage, plus benefits.


   

really and how many of those so called Middle class decent paying Jobs with affordablebenefits still exist?

IBM just outsourced another 3,000 US American middle class Jobs overseas to Malaysia and India. Hmm 3, 000 more Middle class workers who will not be able to shop their local economy to by the crap they and other corps produce. And they are just the latest example they are not unique.

They Reap what they sow.This isn't rocket science.and lets not even get started on the HB1 visa abuse game crap.
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Re: The eight best cities to start a new business
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2013, 12:52:36 PM »
More problems with some people's "logic:" Usually, there is no "owner." Instead, there is a whole array of corpo-communist bureaucrats making decisions on how little they can get away with paying the actual workers, what benefits they will offer, etc. Folks, that ain't capitalism. That's called a price fixing monopoly. Corporations are NOT people; they are corpo-communist oligarchies, in the failed, fake, "socialist" models of the '50s through '80s, which were really oligarchical dictatorships, and not socialist at all. They just figured out how to get the weak minded on their side--- it was as simple as pretending to be independent from government, while pulling government's strings from backstage. Deal with the real.
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