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hand gun caliber choice and why?
« on: May 06, 2013, 02:32:00 PM »
http://stevereichert.com/srs-handgun-caliber-choice-and-why/






This guys makes some good points. What are your thoughts?

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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 03:14:01 PM »
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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 03:22:12 PM »
My 45 LC's will do anything I want them to except fit discretely in my pocket. They're Rugers so I can load anywhere between mild and wild. My 357 can also be a wild child except when I want to shoot 38's in it. My 22 is just fun but with the proper application of hyper velocity rounds like Yellow Jackets can be used for defensive purposes too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 03:51:41 PM »
I have a 357 myself but I was thinking about something in a 40cal. Just the idea of having more then 6 shots would make me feel a little better but im not sure if thats the way to go.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 07:55:24 PM »
About the link:
I agree with 99% of what the author says, but he overlooks the third way of incapacitating a human or animal.  Yes the blood loss / rapid drop in blood pressure will cause whatever caught the bullet to pass out.  And yes disrupting the central nervous system will also shut down aggressive movements.  There is a third way to stop an attacker though.  Disrupting the structural integrity of the support system.  This favors big heavy and fast bullets.  Smashing and crushing vertebrae, pelvis, or thigh bones will limit forward movement.  Now this is for if the attacker has already made contact and you cannot bring your gun up fully, but say it is pointing at his belt buckle... just sayin, something to consider.


So what do I carry and why?? The why is easy.  That is what said take me that day, or for that trip, or that is the one that was handy. As for the what, well it could be anything from .22 LR, .22 Mag, .380, 9 mm, .38 Special (handloads), or .41 Magnum.  Sorry guys, just not a fan of the .357 due to the sharp noise.  Something about it just hurts my ears where the ones listed do not.  Yes I've tried 4" barreled Colt Python, 2" S&W, 5 (ish) inch Ruger Blackhawk.  I respect the .357, I just can't tolerate it.
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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 08:26:48 PM »
The Steve Reichert article was one I have not seen before, but is in line with most others. As a 42 yr LEO in Military/State jobs(2X retired) and a FireArms instructor to LEOs, I have shot a round or two in reloading tests, agency evals and personal tests on what comes available on the market.Steve gives points to penetration, so do I, as well as expansion. As a State Agt we recommended 155gr Federal Hydra-Shok until Fed HST came out. Agency allowed personal carry-I carried 230+P HST in a 1911A!/Glock 21 and Winchester Ranger 127+P+ 9mm in my Browning HP/ Keltec 9mm. No shootings occurred since we got G22s 40s. Prior shootings with G17s failed to stop(1full mag of Fed 147s-stop came from a deputy with a G21 1 shot) We got Sig P220 45s-no shootings. After I retired in 2008 mission changed and not many confrontations since then.
I remain disappointed in the lack of "Gun Guy" people in law enforcement today.  I have carried a gun as a LEO since 1970, We carried revolvers. The semiauto wonder 9 bunch has produced a crop of officers who don't even know how to shoot a revolver! (BTW-FBI Instrucor Course-1995 required a passing score at 50 yds! with a revolver. All my carry guns are 45 +P (duty ammo issued), same for 9mm 127+P+, and 40 Fed HST.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 08:45:29 PM »
... All my carry guns are 45 +P (duty ammo issued), same for 9mm 127+P+, and 40 Fed HST.


why?


As a civilian who is most interested in getting out of a situation, or avoiding it all together, I have never fired a shot at a human target since being honorably discharged in 1987.  My limited experience with the criminal has shown the local knuckleheads to be faint of heart when a handgun is properly presented. To date all have decided to seek ill gotten gains elsewhere.  (total count stands at a whopping three)


So if you don't mind bubbinator, why have you chosen those as daily carry?


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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 10:33:12 PM »
I no nothing about shooting people! Never had to do that, hope I never have to.
 
I had a 9mm browning hipower for years, loved it. I guess I got it in the mid seventies. Like the caliber and the magazine capacity. In 1986 there was a shoot out in Florida with some bad guys and FBI agnts. After being hit several times with 9 mm rounds these bad guys still were able to kill two agents before being killed. Despite being outnumbered.   (Search FBI 1986 shootout in Florida)
 
FBI investigation found the 9 mm at partial fault. There were a lot of things involved there that contributed to the agents death( mini 14's etc) but the 9mm issue came out then.
 
I started carrying 1911 45's after that, then Glock 45's (mag. capacity) I still hope I don't ever have to shoot nobody but I practice at least every month in my back yard range, with moving and still targets, with me moving sometimes. My sons do too.
 
I am sure a 9 mm, or 40 cal in the hands of a skilled shooter would be effective. I just decided to go with the 45,(what I knew) based on that event.
 
Nothing has happened to make me reevaluate that so far. I use a G21 and a lil G36
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 04:58:04 AM »
357


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i love the hand held ''flash/ bang''
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 02:18:36 PM »
357


MOST POWER THAT FITS MY POCKET

357 3 inch smith.its accurate and has lots of power.




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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 02:21:25 PM »
I carry a .40 or a .45.  Killing power in a comfy carry.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 03:24:44 PM »
I have done a lot of selling and trading trying to find the "perfect" handgun for me.  And I finally decided the caliber comes second to the gun itself.  I look for a gun that fits me and then pick the largest caliber I can shoot well that that gun comes.    I used to focus way too much on the caliber, so I always had a large .45 acp sitting in the safe that I shot well but never carried on me.  Now I have an LCR that goes everywhere.  Some people are comfortable carrying large guns, I finally decided I'm not one of them. 

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2013, 04:04:20 PM »
I mostly carry a H & K USP compact in .40 S & W.  Very comfortable in a Crossbed IWB holster.  Great point shoot and hit weapon.

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 04:10:01 PM »
I have done a lot of selling and trading trying to find the "perfect" handgun for me.  And I finally decided the caliber comes second to the gun itself.  I look for a gun that fits me and then pick the largest caliber I can shoot well that that gun comes.    I used to focus way too much on the caliber, so I always had a large .45 acp sitting in the safe that I shot well but never carried on me.  Now I have an LCR that goes everywhere.  Some people are comfortable carrying large guns, I finally decided I'm not one of them.
I approached it in a similar manner - knowing my normal manner of dress I looked for a handgun that I could conceal reasonably easily without significant changes (my office attire is business casual, tucked button down shirt with khaki pants.  Any real deviation, either more or less dressy, would be noticed).

I decided that something about the size of a Ruger LC9 would work well, then I started looking at handguns similar in size and found that I could get a .45ACP that was almost exactly the same size as the LC9 if I spent a bit more and got a Springfield XDs. 5 rounds of .45ACP in a small package with an optional 7 round extended mag - what's not to like?

Gun shop allowed me to do a couple of draws from the factory holster and see how it felt & pointed, and it was like it was made for me.  Needless to say, it followed me home (along with a couple of extended mags). ;D  After much research I decided on a tuckable hybrid IWB holster and went with a Crossbreed from their seconds store.  I added a spare mag holder (also tuckable, and also from Crossbreed) and a heavy but nice looking 1 1/4" gun belt, and couldn't be happier.  After a bit of adjusting the height and cant of the holster I almost forget I'm wearing it, and I do wear it every day, everywhere it is legal.  It goes on in the morning and doesn't come off until I get ready for bed.
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2013, 05:34:38 PM »
Through the years of trying every handgun I could, I eventually realised that I shoot revolvers better.  So even though I like the higher capacity of autoloaders I had to get over it and get what worked best for me even though when I started it wasn't what I thought I wanted. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2013, 06:04:00 PM »
I argue its premis of the 45 having more recoil than the 357 mag. 
I own a full sized 45 and a few different 357's.  Apples to Apples the full house loads out of my N frame recoil more than my Sig P220.
I find my buddies Sig P245 to be confortable to shoot and with far less muzzle flash than my K Frame. 
I find it much easier to shoot two rounds out of the 45 than to shoot 2 rounds of the wheel gun. 
With that said, when I had a carry permit I carried a 380 ACP - Light recoil, fast follow up shots and more than enough in the mag to give me that warm and fuzzy feeling in a package that easily hid.  With that said, when I was threatened not to testafy against the guy the stole my jeep, I carried my P226 with Black tallons and the 15 round mag loaded fully with one in the chamber.  But my choices at that time were a 6" N frame, or a Buck mark. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2013, 06:04:31 PM »
Through the years of trying every handgun I could, I eventually realised that I shoot revolvers better.  So even though I like the higher capacity of autoloaders I had to get over it and get what worked best for me even though when I started it wasn't what I thought I wanted.


I'm not sure what happened with me, either advertising or hype over capacity. I have always preferred revolvers for their dependable and consistent reliability.  To me even a heavy recoiling revolver is more comfortable than any semi-auto pistol I have tried, and I hit my target better too.  For some strange reason most of the carry guns I have are semi-autos though, but mostly I am happy and comfortable with a j frame in .38 special, backed by my NAA mini Magnum revolver.  Seriously considering selling off the excesses and buying a K frame .357
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2013, 06:10:45 PM »
I argue its premis of the 45 having more recoil than the 357 mag. 
I own a full sized 45 and a few different 357's.  Apples to Apples the full house loads out of my N frame recoil more than my Sig P220.
I find my buddies Sig P245 to be confortable to shoot and with far less muzzle flash than my K Frame. 
I find it much easier to shoot two rounds out of the 45 than to shoot 2 rounds of the wheel gun. 
With that said, when I had a carry permit I carried a 380 ACP - Light recoil, fast follow up shots and more than enough in the mag to give me that warm and fuzzy feeling in a package that easily hid.  With that said, when I was threatened not to testafy against the guy the stole my jeep, I carried my P226 with Black tallons and the 15 round mag loaded fully with one in the chamber.  But my choices at that time were a 6" N frame, or a Buck mark.


to me the recoil impulse of the 45 acp in a 1911 type sidearm is long and has a jarring second "anti-recoil" jump when the slide returns forward to battery or locked position.  The sharp quick single direction of the recoil impulse of the .357 Mag is, to me, more predictable.  Yes you can learn to bring the .45 back on target quicker for a quicker follow up, but the same can be said for a .22. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2013, 06:44:20 PM »
I argue its premis of the 45 having more recoil than the 357 mag. 
I own a full sized 45 and a few different 357's.  Apples to Apples the full house loads out of my N frame recoil more than my Sig P220.
I find my buddies Sig P245 to be confortable to shoot and with far less muzzle flash than my K Frame. 
I find it much easier to shoot two rounds out of the 45 than to shoot 2 rounds of the wheel gun. 
With that said, when I had a carry permit I carried a 380 ACP - Light recoil, fast follow up shots and more than enough in the mag to give me that warm and fuzzy feeling in a package that easily hid.  With that said, when I was threatened not to testafy against the guy the stole my jeep, I carried my P226 with Black tallons and the 15 round mag loaded fully with one in the chamber.  But my choices at that time were a 6" N frame, or a Buck mark.


to me the recoil impulse of the 45 acp in a 1911 type sidearm is long and has a jarring second "anti-recoil" jump when the slide returns forward to battery or locked position.  The sharp quick single direction of the recoil impulse of the .357 Mag is, to me, more predictable.  Yes you can learn to bring the .45 back on target quicker for a quicker follow up, but the same can be said for a .22.
Yes and I have carried a 22LR that fits in my pocket where I am not allowed to carry and have used it to protect the mutt against other dogs and coyote. 
I have quoted sections out of street stoppers about the effectiveness of this caliber / bullet combination over this or that combination.  You will have others explain that it is more about the frontal section of the bullet compared to the width of the bullet is why one is more effective over another even though they seem to have the same speed and mass.  as an example why 357 125 grain bullets with warm loadings are more effective than the 38 Super or 357 Sig  that have similar speeds and weights.   
Personally I think if you are confidant in the gun, in the ammo, and that the combination will do what you want it to then carry it.  If you think only a 45 will do then carry a 45, if you think only a 357 will do then carry a 357. 
Years ago a writter named Chuck Taylor (deep in the cult of Colt) wrote an article in G&A about 45 ACP vs 357 mag and he railed on an on about the K frame and definatly the J frames not being strong enough for the hot 357 loads that are #1 man stoppers and that an N frame was needed to both handle the massive recoil and power of the 357, but was too large of a gun to carry comfortably unlike the 1911 or the comander  size.  In a picture in the article it showed a S&W 625 with a few spare full and 1/2 moon clips and it said that for those that like a revolver the S&W 625 in 45 ACP will make a perfect carry gun.  At that point I asked why an N frame in 357 was too big and an N frame on 45 ACP was just perfect and realized A) chuck was not smart, B) That everyone has an opinion as to waht the perfect carry gun would be.   
My desicion to go 380 was based on the size of the gun and the clothing I was going to wear as well as being able to peddle a bike while wearing it.  The holster I picked was what forced the choice of gun.  A fanny pack with a CD player in it and the gun behind made it look like I was just listening to music as a wrode to work with bright Yellow head set and wires.  I think there is a difference between a novelty gun (something that can not be drawn and fired in one fluid movement) and a pocket gun (what hides and is easy to grasp and get on target, and the full sized duty guns that may be too large to hide easily.    And the perfect carry gun is going to have to compromise in size, proformance, capacity, or something else. 
All handgun choices are a compromise.  If you were really concerned you would carry a shotgun!

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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2013, 03:05:30 AM »
Question for you fellas that like revolvers better because you shoot em better. Is it because you shoot em in single action or double?
 
I can shoot a big 44 mag in single action and hit like a rifle out to 75 yds, but it aint quick!
My idea of a defense weapon is a pull and a quick shot, or double tap.
 
I can shoot a glock quicker and more accurately than pulling a trigger on a double action revolver. I like my revolvers a lot but my go to gun is a Glock 21 or G36, but bottom line. the auto will be quicker as far as I am concerned.
 
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2013, 03:35:36 AM »
I too think a semiauto is more efficient in an emergency.  A revolver needs a tuned action and a lot of practice.  I would favor my 27 wheel gun in a non combat role.

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2013, 04:02:44 AM »
Question for you fellas that like revolvers better because you shoot em better. Is it because you shoot em in single action or double?
 
I can shoot a big 44 mag in single action and hit like a rifle out to 75 yds, but it aint quick!
My idea of a defense weapon is a pull and a quick shot, or double tap.
 
I can shoot a glock quicker and more accurately than pulling a trigger on a double action revolver. I like my revolvers a lot but my go to gun is a Glock 21 or G36, but bottom line. the auto will be quicker as far as I am concerned.
 
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I keep a revolver in my night stand draw for a few reasons.  but I do take it to the range and use it at a tactical shoot every so often.  And yes I shoot it double action and practice using the speed loaders. 

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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2013, 05:49:45 AM »
I can see that mcduck but do you feel that revolver gets you shooting quicker than an auto. I mean if both are practiced equally which one puts a bullet in a bad guy most accurately and quickest? That question is what I ask myself in choosing a defense weapon. Honestly knowing my limitations with vision and quickness these days, a shotgun is what I'd pick given the time and light of day or darkness of night.
 
Not to change the subject, but I could always handle myself well in a fist fight(taught to at an early age) and in my day i did so regularly. Probably due to my loving personality. so i know when the time comes i will be willing and able to to harm to someone that threatens me or my family. So that is not a problem, no hesitation is what i mean.
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2013, 06:16:19 AM »
my preference for the revolver over the semi auto in a carry role (ie carry a lot, shoot only as needed) now if you plan to enter combat with more than a couple assailants (ie you live where gang activity is an everyday concern) then yes a well tuned semi-auto would get the nod.  The revolver requires less maintenance, is more tolerant of dust and debris (pocket lint) and is less ammo sensitive than a semi-auto
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2013, 06:26:43 AM »
I'm shooting a Ruger LCR so it's DAO.  I would agree that the semi auto has a quicker follow up shot, but for me the revolver points better and I am better able to hit my target.  I would rather get off only one shot out of my lcr that hits its mark than be able to fire more rapid follow ups if I don't think I'll hit what I'm aiming at.
Plus I know me, and I tend to consciously pay attention to the fact that I only have five shots in my lcr than the 13 in my xd 45, and I try harder for lack of a better term.  Whenever I am shooting any of my guns I tend to take my time more when it's any of my nonautoloading ones.  So in taking my time I become a better shot with that firearm than I am with my autos. 
Obviously I could overcome any of these things by practicing self control,  but I don't have a lot of it, so I take the easy way out.  Something I need to work on. 
But really it all comes down to confidence in your own abilities and the gun you have chosen.  If someone is comfortable carrying an NAA mini revolver as their primary carry I don't fault them one bit if that's what works for them. 

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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2013, 06:30:26 AM »
Keith44 makes a good point.  If I lived in the city I would probably carry a higher capacity 9mm.  But where I live my biggest concern are four legged predators, not two legged ones. 
And I know many will say that a short barreled .357 isn't what they would carry in the woods against wolves or bears.  But in my defense my family is really loud and probably scare off any large animals long before our hike gets us to where they are. 

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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2013, 07:21:07 AM »
I can see that mcduck but do you feel that revolver gets you shooting quicker than an auto. I mean if both are practiced equally which one puts a bullet in a bad guy most accurately and quickest? That question is what I ask myself in choosing a defense weapon. Honestly knowing my limitations with vision and quickness these days, a shotgun is what I'd pick given the time and light of day or darkness of night.
 
Not to change the subject, but I could always handle myself well in a fist fight(taught to at an early age) and in my day i did so regularly. Probably due to my loving personality. so i know when the time comes i will be willing and able to to harm to someone that threatens me or my family. So that is not a problem, no hesitation is what i mean.
I thnk a revolver is simple.  I like simple same reason I like the Sig Autos.  No safety, point and squeeze.  In the middle of the night I do not what to have to think, I do not what to worry did I bump the mag release especally if just woken up.  (I have had a guy in a room wake me up by turning on the light so he could see what was in my room and steal it, when I yelled at him, he told me he had a gun and would kill me)  I want to get the gun out and on target.  Knowing that the 6 holes in the revolver are filled is easy.  At house distances sights will matter little.  The K frame revolver fits me and naturally points for me.  what I mean by this is.  I can hold the gun at the low ready.  pick something on the wall (picture, thrmostat, decoy on the book shelf) close my eyes and pull up the gun and point the gun at the item.  When I open my eyes I am usually looking strait down the sights at the target.  I have a few guns that do not naturally point for me.  I either see the top of the gun and am aiming 2' high or all I see is the back of the gun am aiming about a foot low.  For me the hangun is a tool like a hammer.  Some jobs are better done with a sledge, some are done with a framing hammer and others are done with a light ball pean hammer.  But if all you have/ can lift/ can swing/ can carry/ is the small ball pean hammer, it will have to do all of the jobs.  It may take a few extra swings to knock in a nail but it will still knock in the nail. 
If you want to argue Revolver Vs Semi auto, you are not going to get much of an argument from me.  My answer is YES.  And the postings of Best drive me crazy, what is best for me may not be best for you.  I have a medium sized hand and what works for me does not work for my XL hand sized cousin. 
I also have a slight predujudice against 2" 38's but own two of them and keep one in the GHB (Get Home Bag) in the trunk of the car.

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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2013, 07:56:55 AM »
I have tried the semi auto thing in handguns and this is just speaking for my preferences, I can't shoot one as accurately as I can a revolver. A revolver, especially a single action, almost becomes an extension of my arm. I'm sure that's due to the many thousands of rounds I've put thru them. Years ago I started practicing instinctive shooting. No fast draw, no aiming, just come up, cock and fire from the hip. It's just a natural thing for me now not to have to aim at something inside of 10 yards. I either hit it or am within an inch or two from it. A torso on an attacker would be in a heap of trouble. I agree with keith44 too that there is a time for a finely tuned semi auto with a high cap magazine. I just don't need it here and now.
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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2013, 08:33:15 AM »
I am an old fan of the 357 magnum in 125 grain JHP. And no, I don't include the fraudulent 357sig. It ain't the same. I have actually USED the 357 magnum to settle an argument, and although slower than I wanted it to be, loading twice in the middle of a rather heated discussion, was stressful, but successful.
I also used  a 1911 45acp to settle a disagreement, and although I prevailed in the argument, I went back to the 357 magnum THE NEXT DAY.
And so it was for almost two decades until one day the much hated (by me), Gaston Glock came out with the Glock 23 in FORTY SMITH & WESSON! The combination of the Glock 23, and the 40 S&W, for MYSELF, was the best pointing, hard hitting compromise I have ever carried or shot. The recoil from the slide cycle is easily managed, the caliber and power are right up there, and it more than doubles the round capacity of the revolver.
I will usually say that if you get into an affray with weapons it usually lasts seconds, however, I was in one that according to radio logs lasted about 13 minutes. Now I was NOT shooting all 13 minutes, but reloading was like stuffing 45 long colts in to 22 caliber chambers. I got it done, but it seemed to take forever.
The 40 S&W is my pick, in a Glock 23 or 27. It's good to go, and will come into play every bit as fast as ANY revolver.
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Re: hand gun caliber choice and why?
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2013, 10:13:18 AM »
I used to be a '45 auto' only guy, but with all of the new defense ammo produced I have changed that attitude.  Now I fell that anything from .380 up, with the proper ammo, will do the job nicely.  Remember, we are not law enforcement, and as such we need not 'protect the public' and pursue felons or solve extended situations.  All we need to do is save our skin and get away safely.  As such I really feel that any gun you can use that will put a bullet where you want it, at the range you need it to,  with effective ammo; you will be fine.  We can debate what will take down a hopped up meth head the quickest, but in reality, you may not be able to do that even with a 12 guage pump!  But in the majority of cases, when someone starts to 'leak', they often will re-think their priorities.  Personally, I hope I never have to test my bullet theories in the real world, but I am able to put that bullet where I want it quickly, under pressure, when I need to, and I feel that gives me an edge that some may not have.  44 Man
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