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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2013, 02:39:07 AM »
Got it to work.
Check the numbers from 72 to 75.
I come up with 1146.
Not thousands but enough for sure.
Be sure and see 1974---not 1 but 178.
Sinse 1997 93 more names have been added, maybe some from 72 to 75, who knows.
 
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- U.S. MILITARY CASUALTIES IN SOUTHEAST ASIA -
- DEATHS BY CALENDAR YEAR -


- Year of death may either be actual or based on a presumptive finding of death -
- (originally declared missing and later declared dead). -
- AS OF MARCH 31, 1997 -
Since 1997 93 names have been added to the memorial
that are not show in the stats below.
YEAR
USA
USN
USAF
USMC
USCG
TOTAL
1957[/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t]
1
0
0
0
0
1
1958
0
0
0
0
0
0
1959
2
0
0
0
0
2
1960
0
4
1
0
0
5
1961
7
1
8
0
0
16
1962
27
3
18
5
0
53
1963
73
4
31
10
0
118
1964
147
15
39
5
0
206
1965
1,079
114
162
508
0
1,863
1966
3,755
279
246
1,862
2
6,144
1967
6,467
583
317
3,786
0
11,153
1968
10,596
598
345
5,048
2
16,589
1969
8,186
426
305
2,694
3
11,614
1970
4,972
219
201
691
0
6,083
1971
2,131
55
90
81
0
2,357
1972
373
77
172
18
0
640
1973
34
52
75
7
0
168
1974
49
23
80
26
0
178
1975
23
22
83
32
0
160
1976
29
6
29
13
0
77
1977
29
24
39
4
0
96
1978
158
42
219
28
0
447
1979
38
3
101
6
0
148
1980 - 1995
25
5
22
14
0
66
TOTAL DEATHS
38,196
2,555
2,583
14,837
7
58,178

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The total from '72 to '75 are not a long way apart between your list and mine. The fact remains, we had already started pulling out by the time she went to Hanoi. Over the next 4 years, around 1000 soldiers were killed--- still too many, I know, but NOT evidence that the north Vietnamese were spurred on to fight harder because of her visit.Maybe the stats don't back this but if you go back and research some of the news documentaries you will find when NVA leaders were interviewed they stated they saw no way to win and did not want to end up like Korea and were about to end the war.They all stated her visit changed their minds and they continued to fight . Her visit showed them American's did not back the war 100%  If y'all believe that, please explain the totals from the late '60s.  (By the way, 1.1 million Vietnamese soldiers were killed by the US--- AND up to 2 million civilians, as in women, children, and elderly, depending on whose estimates you pick. I don't think we lost many civilians.)

Now I want to ask this: If this had been 100 years earlier, and Jane Fonda had been from, say, New York, or  Ohio, and she was protesting the Civil War, would she have been a traitor then?[/q]
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« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2013, 05:49:24 AM »
This thread is about Jane Fonda.
It has nothing to do with who started ,or who was for, or against the war.
The facts are=
1.We were at war with the NVA.
2.We had an American citizen going over to the enemy, patting them on the back and showing her support to them.
And while we may not be at war with Vietnam now.
I have nothing against any of them.
BUT!
I was NEVER at war with Jane Fonda.
She just showed her true colors.
And even though the war ended for us in Nam.
Jane Fonda is still the same colors to me as she was then!
And if I was pointing a rifle at those anti aircraft guns back then.
My first shot would not have been at any NVA!
Friends of my enemy are my enemy.
And Jane Fonda is the same piece of scum now as she was then!
 
 
 
 
 

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« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2013, 07:39:40 AM »
I would like to answer your questions.. but too often I get an otherwise blank page which says I am FORBIDDEN to enter the forum on this server..hope this post gets through..
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« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2013, 08:51:42 AM »
This thread is about Jane Fonda.
It has nothing to do with who started ,or who was for, or against the war.
The facts are=
1.We were at war with the NVA.
2.We had an American citizen going over to the enemy, patting them on the back and showing her support to them.
And while we may not be at war with Vietnam now.
I have nothing against any of them.
BUT!
I was NEVER at war with Jane Fonda.
She just showed her true colors.
And even though the war ended for us in Nam.
Jane Fonda is still the same colors to me as she was then!
And if I was pointing a rifle at those anti aircraft guns back then.
My first shot would not have been at any NVA!
Friends of my enemy are my enemy.
And Jane Fonda is the same piece of scum now as she was then!

 
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« Reply #124 on: April 15, 2013, 12:38:19 PM »
I have no problem with someone protesting a war. Hold up your signs, write letters, write emails go on TV but do not travel to the enemy capitol or show disrespect to the servicemen and women. The people in uniform signed contracts to obey orders, sometimes those orders really suck.
 
I didn't necesarily agree with the invasion of Iraq, I sent cookies and candies to the troops along with a few other goodies. I have nephews and cousins still serving  and my brother in law died. I was to old to go this time. The troops need our support whether you agree with the war or not.
 
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« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2013, 02:58:05 PM »
As I remember Billy Clinton visited Moscow during the war. Not the same as going and playing with soldiers who were killing Americans, but liberals can sure show some baaad taste at times.  It was another of the very little reported stories when he was running to be pres.

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« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2013, 04:52:31 AM »
 Didn't Slick Willy also protest the VN war when he was a student in England? I heard that before, but I don't know if its true. William Foster probably knew... 8)

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« Reply #127 on: April 16, 2013, 07:23:24 AM »
Got this email again today...

I don't like her, I do not forgive her and probably never will. I now simply ignore her and what she does. But the fact that this obmanation wants to honor her??? It's like spitting in the faces of all who serve and have served. Many of them died so this bitch and those like her can live. Dosent seem right, but its the way it is and hopefully I am here to see or know when she gets her just due!
 Maybe some dont know or haven't reciently herd the story...

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Subject: Barbara Walters on Jane Fonda!!







 

Jane Fonda was on 3 times this week talking about her new book. . .

and how good she feels in her 70's. . . She still does not know what she did wrong. . . Her book just may not make the bestseller list if more people knew.

  Barbara Walters said :

Thank you all.  Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms.  I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now.  She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

 

(I remember this well.)

 

For those who served and/or died. . .

 

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

 

And now President Obama wants to honor her!!!!

 

In Memory of Lt. C. Thomsen Wieland, who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [infamous North Vietnam prison] --

 

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!

 

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED.

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA.

 

This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

 

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

 

Barbara Walters writes:

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

 

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.  In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison, the  "Hanoi Hilton."

 

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "peace activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.

 

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.  During the subsequent beating, he fell forward onto the camp commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

 

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

 

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hanoi   Hilton". . . the first three of which his family only knew he was "missing in action." His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.  His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

 

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.  When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

 

She took them all without missing a beat. . . At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

 

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

 

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi.   My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.  At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

 

We were Jane Fonda's "war  criminals."

 

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her.  I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. . . and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as "humane and lenient."

 

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hand.
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« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2013, 07:31:45 AM »
Got this email again today...



cwlongshot has helpfully demonstrated the bogus chain email which is wholly false, according the guys named in it.
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« Reply #129 on: April 16, 2013, 02:46:22 PM »
The only name I have for a veteran is brother/sister. They maybe older or they maybe younger but they are still my family.

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« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2013, 03:06:00 PM »
Agree with Shu.  I don't like people calling my brothers and sisters the names she called them.  Also why didn't she protest the war when Kennedy/Johnson were running the show?  Nixon wasn't sworn in until 1969.  I can't find too much on her protesting when Kennedy/Johnson were running the war when most of the casualties were happening.  Maybe someone can provide some documentation that she did.
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« Reply #131 on: April 16, 2013, 06:50:34 PM »
Got this email again today...



cwlongshot has helpfully demonstrated the bogus chain email which is wholly false, according the guys named in it.

Okay, here's your chance. You know this how? From something you read somewhere I presume? Keeping in mind that yes the email may be bogus, maybe not, but that doesn't mean she didn't do the things she was acused of to others. However if you wish lets put that aside.  Deny it all you like but the fact still remains that she did consort with the enemy during a time of war. The photos alone prove that, not to mention her Hanoi Jane broadcasts. You can argue all you like as to the harm done by that, or in your opinion not done, but it doesn't change the fact she did so.
 
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« Reply #132 on: April 17, 2013, 03:45:04 AM »
This is turning into beating a dead horse. Nobody's mind is getting changed. The one thing I gleaned from this thread though is that some have no more respect for Vietnam Vets now than back when we were being spit on.

That apparent by some responses but NOT by all brother!!  The sorry truth is many have died so these &@$%# CAN spit and rally against our troops.

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« Reply #133 on: April 17, 2013, 04:44:58 AM »
SPIRITHAWK, CWLONGSHOT. Good posts guys. Theres not a lot of difference between hanoi jane and those making excuses for and supporting her here. There are several here I would not trust to watch my back, even though I would theirs. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #134 on: April 17, 2013, 08:29:05 AM »
That apparent by some responses but NOT by all brother!!  The sorry truth is many have died so these &@$%# CAN spit and rally against our troops.

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Who? Who are the &@$%#  ?? Who has spat and rallied against our troops? Name names.
Got this email again today...
cwlongshot has helpfully demonstrated the bogus chain email which is wholly false, according the guys named in it.

Okay, here's your chance. You know this how? From something you read somewhere I presume?
I know this, because the men involved have all denied that it ever happened. I've provided multiple links for you. don't trust 'em, because they don't line up with your prejudices & hopes? Then do a little googlin' on your own: Google "fonda Driscoll and fonda carrigan and fonda McGrath. Search around a bit, and let me know what you get. Bottom line - it's a BS chain letter that's suckered lots of people, who were only too happy to believe something that dovetailed with their beliefs... so much so that even when confronted with the truth that they were lied to, they screw their eyes shut and look for a way out. There ain't one.


Just for you Spirithawk... read this one. Note the URL if comes from... do you know how these guys are? Here:
http://www.pownetwork.org/fonda/fonda_enough.htm
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Keeping in mind that yes the email may be bogus, maybe not...
Oh, no doubt about it - IT IS BOGUS. That's not even in play. You been lied to, Spirithawk.
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...but that doesn't mean she didn't do the things she was acused of to others.
I'll gladly entertain evidence in that direction, coming from someone involved and there (not who heard it from someone who read it on some wingnut website).
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Deny it all you like...
Deny what? The lies about her passing notes and whatnot? THEY'RE LIES!
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... but the fact still remains that she did consort with the enemy during a time of war.
(shrug) I've never claimed that she did not  (leaving aside the fine but important point, that the US never declared war against NVN, even though we started it in Aug '64)
 
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« Reply #135 on: April 17, 2013, 08:40:42 AM »
so why is such a dis-liked by many here  getting so much attention ?
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« Reply #136 on: April 17, 2013, 10:28:28 AM »
That apparent by some responses but NOT by all brother!!  The sorry truth is many have died so these &@$%# CAN spit and rally against our troops.

CW
Who? Who are the &@$%#  ?? Who has spat and rallied against our troops? Name names.
Got this email again today...
cwlongshot has helpfully demonstrated the bogus chain email which is wholly false, according the guys named in it.

Okay, here's your chance. You know this how? From something you read somewhere I presume?
I know this, because the men involved have all denied that it ever happened. I've provided multiple links for you. don't trust 'em, because they don't line up with your prejudices & hopes? Then do a little googlin' on your own: Google "fonda Driscoll and fonda carrigan and fonda McGrath. Search around a bit, and let me know what you get. Bottom line - it's a BS chain letter that's suckered lots of people, who were only too happy to believe something that dovetailed with their beliefs... so much so that even when confronted with the truth that they were lied to, they screw their eyes shut and look for a way out. There ain't one.


Just for you Spirithawk... read this one. Note the URL if comes from... do you know how these guys are? Here:
http://www.pownetwork.org/fonda/fonda_enough.htm
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Keeping in mind that yes the email may be bogus, maybe not...
Oh, no doubt about it - IT IS BOGUS. That's not even in play. You been lied to, Spirithawk.
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...but that doesn't mean she didn't do the things she was acused of to others.
I'll gladly entertain evidence in that direction, coming from someone involved and there (not who heard it from someone who read it on some wingnut website).
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Deny it all you like...
Deny what? The lies about her passing notes and whatnot? THEY'RE LIES!
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... but the fact still remains that she did consort with the enemy during a time of war.
(shrug) I've never claimed that she did not  (leaving aside the fine but important point, that the US never declared war against NVN, even though we started it in Aug '64)

You want names of people who spat on GI's coming home? What are you BLIND... Have you been ;living under a rock? Watch about ANYthing on the war and its effects in the states? How old are you anyway? Where you alive to see watch the body counts on the nightly news and see the footage of them arriving home? I can almost understand your tact on the email.. but you doubt our GI's where disliked and spat upon as baby killers and murders? Really???  I gotta say, you no longer carry any credibility after that statement.

To talk your tact....

Unless you where there, YOU don't know either...  ::) I choose to believe my brothers in arms, over a left wing nut job like Jane Fondel. Let me ask you a question, who was she, at the time, to create such a conspiracy about her? What advantage did these men have to imagion the horrific things we say she did. I mean to what end?? Know this, everything is founded in some truth...  I believe she did most if not all of what she has been accused of, you do not and that's the bottom line.

I have no bone with you Yello Tail, I just don't think your right.

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« Reply #137 on: April 17, 2013, 12:08:49 PM »
You want names of people who spat on GI's coming home?
No, not particularly. Why do ask?
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What are you BLIND...
No, but I do have old-man glasses for reading, nowadays.
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Where you alive to see watch the body counts on the nightly news and see the footage of them arriving home?
I was.
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I can almost understand your tact on the email..
does this mean, you understand that it's a lie, but pushed anyhow by folks who don't CARE that it's a lie?
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...but you doubt our GI's where disliked and spat upon as baby killers and murders?
we've not discussed that in this thread - is this something you want to discuss?
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Really???  I gotta say, you no longer carry any credibility after that statement.
What statement do you refer to?

To talk your tact....

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Let me ask you a question, who was she, at the time, to create such a conspiracy about her?
I'm not sure what conspiracy you refer to. Do you mean the bogus chain-emails?
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« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2013, 12:18:07 PM »
I cannot find any documentation of her involvement before Nixon became elected.  Apparently the Vietnam War was fine by her as long as her political party was running it.  Still looking for real data that show otherwise. 
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2013, 12:23:09 PM »
CWLONGSHOT. Don't bite friend, it's just bait. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2013, 12:26:00 PM »
CWLONGSHOT. Don't bite friend, it's just bait. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


this means that Powderman likes your post, CWLONGSHOT, but he's very unhappy with you talking to me... he's workin' on a boycott...
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #141 on: April 17, 2013, 01:40:25 PM »
CWLONGSHOT. Don't bite friend, it's just bait. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

Thank you brother, I see it too... I'm thinking of the old adage, of an unarmed man...

I know I don't have anything to prove here ;)  ;D I have said my peace to the man.  ;)

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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2013, 01:45:36 PM »
Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one. That ones been brayin ever since Bill let'em in the barn.
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2013, 01:53:43 PM »
Got this email again today...

I don't like her, I do not forgive her and probably never will. I now simply ignore her and what she does. But the fact that this obmanation wants to honor her??? It's like spitting in the faces of all who serve and have served. Many of them died so this bitch and those like her can live. Dosent seem right, but its the way it is and hopefully I am here to see or know when she gets her just due!
 Maybe some dont know or haven't reciently herd the story...

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Subject: Barbara Walters on Jane Fonda!!







 

Jane Fonda was on 3 times this week talking about her new book. . .

and how good she feels in her 70's. . . She still does not know what she did wrong. . . Her book just may not make the bestseller list if more people knew.

  Barbara Walters said :

Thank you all.  Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms.  I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now.  She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

 

(I remember this well.)

 

For those who served and/or died. . .

 

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

 

And now President Obama wants to honor her!!!!

 

In Memory of Lt. C. Thomsen Wieland, who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [infamous North Vietnam prison] --

 

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!

 

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED.

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA.

 

This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

 

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

 

Barbara Walters writes:

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

 

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.  In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison, the  "Hanoi Hilton."

 

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "peace activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.

 

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.  During the subsequent beating, he fell forward onto the camp commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

 

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

 

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hanoi   Hilton". . . the first three of which his family only knew he was "missing in action." His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.  His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

 

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.  When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

 

She took them all without missing a beat. . . At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

 

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

 

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi.   My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.  At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

 

We were Jane Fonda's "war  criminals."

 

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her.  I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. . . and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as "humane and lenient."

 

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hand.

let's get something straight. Not one person died in Vietnam for her freedom or any American's freedom. They died fighting a political war brought about by our leaders. American's freedom was never at risk in Vietnam. Our leader's have never paid for costing so many American lives in a war they didn't intend to win.

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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2013, 02:35:18 PM »
So much vitriol & hard feelings against a woman none here know personally, for accusations of things from 40+ years ago, many of which never happened.


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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2013, 02:59:07 PM »
Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one. That ones been brayin ever since Bill let'em in the barn.

 
DEE. Actually it should have been BACK in the barn, again. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2013, 03:54:48 PM »
So much vitriol & hard feelings against a woman none here know personally, for accusations of things from 40+ years ago, many of which never happened.


Thanks be to God for grace... I say, extend it!
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2013, 04:36:55 PM »
Yellow, while sticking to stressing one point you conveniently sidestep the rest. Did I not say to put the one issue aside and look at the others? Do you deny she did the rest and by definition was that not treason? Do you deny the pictures and the radio broadcasts she made while there? You say show you evidence and say I ignore your's while covering the fact that you are ignoring the obvious yourself! You going to tell me that isn't realy her in the pics? She didn't make the broadcasts? You want to admire her fine but why insist we do too? Why is it those willing to say she did nothing wrong, at all, had no part in the war themselve's but still feel quallified and justified to judge those who did? My how special that must make you feel! You never did answer my question Yellow.....were you there or are you just an arm chair warrior with an opinion?

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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #148 on: April 18, 2013, 07:20:58 AM »
I know every statement I made about her is fact, documented and can be backed up at any time.
The only exception was that there were not thousands killed after she was there as I stated, only 1236.
No, I can't prove they all died because of her, just the same as you can't say that none of them died because of her.
I have clearly stated my reasons for feeling the way I do about her and I will stick by them to the fullest.
 
 
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #149 on: April 18, 2013, 07:46:26 AM »
Yellow, while sticking to stressing one point you conveniently sidestep the rest.
Well, that point - that lot of lies about Fonda get shopped around, and lots of people willingly believe the lies because they fit their prejudices, and continue to pass them on after seeing them debunked? - was the only point I cared to make.
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Do you deny she did the rest and by definition was that not treason?
No.
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Do you deny the pictures and the radio broadcasts she made while there?
No.
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You say show you evidence and say I ignore your's while covering the fact that you are ignoring the obvious yourself!
Not so, Spirithawk.
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You going to tell me that isn't realy her in the pics?
No.
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..She didn't make the broadcasts?
No.
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You want to admire her fine...
I've not expressed any admiration for Jane Fonda.
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...but why insist we do too?
I've not insisted that anyone else express any admiration for Jane Fonda. To insinuate that I have, would be a distortion of the truth and a fallacy.
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Why is it those willing to say she did nothing wrong, at all, had no part in the war themselve's...
I don't know. I'm not aware of those (and I'm not one of them)
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...but still feel quallified and justified to judge those who did?
I can't speak for those you speak of, and have no interest in speaking for them.
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My how special that must make you feel!
You're setting up some kind of fallacy, here. What makes me feel special is my sweetheart, my daughters, riding my bike and a well-placed shot on a nice antlered buck.
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You never did answer my question Yellow.....were you there...
In Vietnam? No, I've never been there
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...or are you just an arm chair warrior with an opinion?
My military service started during the 70s, after Frequent Wind.
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