Ammo makers

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Powderman:
"guzzi. Of course you disagree, this was all brought on by your hero hussein and his obummerbots anti gun agenda. We told you and the other disciples this and STILL you deny it. I hope they take your guns first. POWDERMAN."


So you are saying that hoarding has no blame in this?
GuzziJohn

[Dixie Dude]

I reload everything I have and primers are what are hard to come by.  Have plenty of brass I have picked up over the last several years.  You can still find bullets, mostly premium, but still can find fmj bullets.  Power is not to bad, and with multiple brands can be swapped or substituted.  Primers are the key, and hardly any to be found.  Glad I had some.  I've heard you can make primers by saving the punched out ones, removing the anvil part, using a punch to flatten out the firing pin dimple, then using three match heads carefully removed crushed and pressed into the cup, then replacing the anvil part.  Haven't tried it and it sounds time consuming.  One can always use blackpowder and flint and steel, and maybe 409 shotgun primers which can still be found.  Wish they would adapt bp revolvers to use 409 primers instead of caps. 
 
Hunting is not a problem, with bows, snares, traps, bp rifles and pistols.  Self defense is the problem.   

[DDZ]

Quote from rickt300:
"The ammo shortage is completely contrived by the govt."


I disagree. It is hoarding gun owners that have created the shortages, just like 2008 but worse.
GuzziJohn

Really? Do you think if Obama and his communist friends had not started trying to get more gun laws passed, that people would be hording right now? Obama and his cronies have been talking about semiauto bans, magizine restrictions, high tax on ammo etc.. Buying is what happens when there is a legitimate threat of there being a shortage of a product.   

[JonnyReb]

Start making it yourself , that's how Black a hills got started .

OK let's all invest a little and create a new ammo company that is vertically integrated.
Producing Brass, primers, powders, and projectiles.  Not to mention Shot shell and wads.
We call it No Government Contract Ammo Company.  We promise to only sell to sportmen and not to any government at any level.
OK QDC TM7, and a few others of the liberals are not invited as they do not believe in Capitalism and they do not want ot create jobs and new products.

  Best idea I've heard proposed in a long time. I actually feel pretty confident that if such an idea was made public beyond GBO,  many many thousands of sportsman would invest in proposed "company". Just takes that one individual to step out and take the idea to legal business status. Would possibly be one of the best times in recent American history to do so.  J

[SHOOTALL]

Well, in a worse case senario, I can cast lead bullets, as I have about 25# of lead.  I can make gunpowder, made it in high school.  I can make gun cotton (early smokeless powder) if I can find some nitric acid.  Brass will last about 10 rounds before it splits.  Only problem is primers.  I've heard you can take a primer, removed the anvil part with a very small screwdriver, use a flat punch to flatten out the firing pin dimple.  Then reload the primer with the tips of three matches, carefully crushed into powder and pressed in the primer and replace the anvil.  Never tried that, but it seems very time consuming just to make a primer.  For hunting, one can used traditional black power with flint or a crossbow or long bow.  Trapping and snaring is also a survival choice.  Self defence is a whole nother matter.  Can always buy a BP revolver or two, with a BP rifle.  Also, they do make double BP rifles and shotguns.  Right now shotgun shells can still be found as well as shotgun primers. 

You have to have "strike anywhere" match's...good luck finding those now.  I did find some at Dick's last year...but none since.
 
Ben

  try farm supply stores

[SHOOTALL]

A billion rounds a year ? Well the US military was using a billion rounds a year while fighting in two countries and training. Then there is a book out stating back when Delta was in training they expended thousands of rounds per shooter some days. Some operators had calluis on their shooting hands from the shooting. There are sites around the country where ammo is stocked for emg use also and it would seem important to cover the posiblity of several storage depos getting destoried in natural crisis or attack. So in reality they could lose a large % of ammo and still be well equiped. Of course I could be wrong 

[Lizzie-6]

Quote from rickt300:
"The ammo shortage is completely contrived by the govt."


I disagree. It is hoarding gun owners that have created the shortages, just like 2008 but worse.
GuzziJohn

 
guzzi. Of course you disagree, this was all brought on by your hero hussein and his obummerbots anti gun agenda. We told you and the other disciples this and STILL you deny it. I hope they take your guns first. POWDERMAN. 

Why would you hope that ANYONE's guns be confiscated? Because he knows something that you have not yet learned?  President Obama's policies have put more money into the pockets of firearm and ammunition manufacturers, distributors and retailers than Clinton and Bush combined.

During his first term he stood with a smug look on his face while sales of semiauto rifles went thru the roof.  He idly watched while the whole "zombie" movement was invented and took off, further driving the glut of guns and ammo.  A whole new industry was born to supply zombie-related  paraphernalia and stoke the zombie-hunter lifestyle and mindset.  Even in the wake of mass murder, your boy Obama stood firm for your right to have your fun.  The industry was so pleased with their record profits that they rewarded Obama by supporting him in the 2012 race against Romney.

Fast forward to 2013.  The domestic arms industry is now reaping the benefits of huge military and law enforcement contracts, courtesy of "their guy" in the Whitehouse.  If that were not enough, they further benefit from the perceived "shortage" brought about by the non-stop anti-gun jawboning by Biden, Feinsteim, etc.

There is no shortage.  Why would there by?  The industry is fully ramped up and producing arms and ammo around the clock to take advantage of the inflated prices that the spooked zombie-hunting marketplace is willing to support.  A few mice have managed to stampede a herd of elephants over a cliff like lemming.

Firearms owners were given enough rope to hang themselves.  You, POWDERMAN with all your carping, complaining, doomsday-prophesy and hussein-talk, have unwittingly (or perhaps wittingly] played YOUR part to a tee.

Thanks.

[Lizzie-6]

Quote from rickt300:
"The ammo shortage is completely contrived by the govt."


I disagree. It is hoarding gun owners that have created the shortages, just like 2008 but worse.
GuzziJohn

Really? Do you think if Obama and his communist friends had not started trying to get more gun laws passed, that people would be hording right now? Obama and his cronies have been talking about semiauto bans, magizine restrictions, high tax on ammo etc.. Buying is what happens when there is a legitimate threat of there being a shortage of a product.   

Get a hold of yourself.  Obama's communist friends manufacture arms and ammunition for sale in the US marketplace.  They're thriving as a result of his "threats", just like the domestic arms supply chain.

Live and learn.  Ignore ALL threats.  Buy when product availability is high and prices are low.  Maintain an on-hand supply so you don't have to be stampeded by the next bogus threat.  Best advice going.  Ask me how I know.

[JonnyReb]

Mikes back? 

[Anna]

223 is starting to show up again on our local gun store shelves . $30.00 a box of 20 in PMC.
But you can buy as much as you want if you pay this price .
Still no 22Lr though and no word when that will change .
ARs are also showing up , the M4s are going for about $1,800.00 and they had an NIB A2 for
$1,500.00. I didn't think that was all that bad for an A2.
The shop owner said he us getting offered more guns now but they are still a two week wait .
1911s are scarce but and ammo for them isn't to bad but your limited to 100 rds per sale.

[jammer308]

Well, in a worse case senario, I can cast lead bullets, as I have about 25# of lead.  I can make gunpowder, made it in high school.  I can make gun cotton (early smokeless powder) if I can find some nitric acid.  Brass will last about 10 rounds before it splits.  Only problem is primers.  I've heard you can take a primer, removed the anvil part with a very small screwdriver, use a flat punch to flatten out the firing pin dimple.  Then reload the primer with the tips of three matches, carefully crushed into powder and pressed in the primer and replace the anvil.  Never tried that, but it seems very time consuming just to make a primer.  For hunting, one can used traditional black power with flint or a crossbow or long bow.  Trapping and snaring is also a survival choice.  Self defence is a whole nother matter.  Can always buy a BP revolver or two, with a BP rifle.  Also, they do make double BP rifles and shotguns.  Right now shotgun shells can still be found as well as shotgun primers.

Dixie dude, how do you make gun powder?  i'd like to learn...  chris

[rickt300]

Quote from rickt300:
"The ammo shortage is completely contrived by the govt."


I disagree. It is hoarding gun owners that have created the shortages, just like 2008 but worse.
GuzziJohn

You can disagree all you want and you would be wrong. The government is sending people out to buy ammunition over the counter with cash. They are also buying direct from virtually all vendors. As to hoarding in your not so well concieved thought just where does the point of "hoarding" begin and being well stocked end? The cloud of smoke you blow is toxic, you might want to step out of it and look around.

[Oldshooter]

Mikes back? 

 

[Anna]

Well, in a worse case senario, I can cast lead bullets, as I have about 25# of lead.  I can make gunpowder, made it in high school.  I can make gun cotton (early smokeless powder) if I can find some nitric acid.  Brass will last about 10 rounds before it splits.  Only problem is primers.  I've heard you can take a primer, removed the anvil part with a very small screwdriver, use a flat punch to flatten out the firing pin dimple.  Then reload the primer with the tips of three matches, carefully crushed into powder and pressed in the primer and replace the anvil.  Never tried that, but it seems very time consuming just to make a primer.  For hunting, one can used traditional black power with flint or a crossbow or long bow.  Trapping and snaring is also a survival choice.  Self defence is a whole nother matter.  Can always buy a BP revolver or two, with a BP rifle.  Also, they do make double BP rifles and shotguns.  Right now shotgun shells can still be found as well as shotgun primers.

Dixie dude, how do you make gun powder?  i'd like to learn...  chris

Not something you want to discuss publicly . But in the late 1970s there was a book being sold that
told you how to make BP . It gave you the step by step instructions how to do it but those days
are long gone .

[rickt300]

Making black powder is not that hard but smokeless is where it's at nowadays.

[FPH]

 I've heard you can take a primer, removed the anvil part with a very small screwdriver, use a flat punch to flatten out the firing pin dimple.  Then reload the primer with the tips of three matches, carefully crushed into powder and pressed in the primer and replace the anvil.   

 





I would imagine you would need -strike anywhere matches-those are hard to find these days.

[powderman]

Quote from Powderman:
"guzzi. Of course you disagree, this was all brought on by your hero hussein and his obummerbots anti gun agenda. We told you and the other disciples this and STILL you deny it. I hope they take your guns first. POWDERMAN."


So you are saying that hoarding has no blame in this?
GuzziJohn

 
guzzi. Your hero hussein is the reason people are hoarding. Do you think this would be going on if your  comrades weren't trying to disarm the law abiding citizens of America?? NOPE, sure wouldn't be. As a good obummerbot I'm surprised that you havent turned your gun in yet, if you ever had one. POWDERMAN. 

[Lizzie-6]

223 is starting to show up again on our local gun store shelves . $30.00 a box of 20 in PMC.
But you can buy as much as you want if you pay this price .

Still no 22Lr though and no word when that will change .

ARs are also showing up , the M4s are going for about $1,800.00 and they had an NIB A2 for
$1,500.00. I didn't think that was all that bad for an A2.

The shop owner said he us getting offered more guns now but they are still a two week wait .
1911s are scarce but and ammo for them isn't to bad but your limited to 100 rds per sale.

LOL.  PMC .223 sold for US$4.99 for 20 during the Clinton-Feinstein-Biden AWB.  Why wouldn't one be able to buy all they wanted at $30.00 (or $60.00 for that matter)? 

The useful idiots at the retail counter will reflexively rail against the current Obama-Feinstein-Biden triumvirate out of pure ignorance.  Two steps up the supply chain, managers and execs know what's what.  Manufacturers and distributors are simply "holding out" for the highest sale price on both arms and ammo.  It's their "right",  granted to them as a reward for supporting Obama's campaign against Romney.  Wayne LaPierre knows that as well as anyone.   New firearms laws CANNOT be passed without his specific approval. 

Why don't firearms enthusiasts just outsmart "Hussein" and his stooges?  It's as simple as buying product when prices are low, and withhold their hard earned dollars then the gouging begins.  Put pressure where it belongs, on Obama and the sleazy profiteers who have joined forces with him.

Some things are complicated.  Some are not.

[Lizzie-6]

Quote from Powderman:
"guzzi. Of course you disagree, this was all brought on by your hero hussein and his obummerbots anti gun agenda. We told you and the other disciples this and STILL you deny it. I hope they take your guns first. POWDERMAN."


So you are saying that hoarding has no blame in this?
GuzziJohn

 
guzzi. Your hero hussein is the reason people are hoarding. Do you think this would be going on if your  comrades weren't trying to disarm the law abiding citizens of America?? NOPE, sure wouldn't be. As a good obummerbot I'm surprised that you havent turned your gun in yet, if you ever had one. POWDERMAN. 

Sounds to me like "Hussein" is YOUR hero.

[jhm]

     I am not going to say I am HORDING but I did offer to buy the ammo cabinets that are in our local Wal-marts and I wasnt kidding I was dead serious as the one I currently have is completely full.  Jim

[rickt300]

223 is starting to show up again on our local gun store shelves . $30.00 a box of 20 in PMC.
But you can buy as much as you want if you pay this price .

Still no 22Lr though and no word when that will change .

ARs are also showing up , the M4s are going for about $1,800.00 and they had an NIB A2 for
$1,500.00. I didn't think that was all that bad for an A2.

The shop owner said he us getting offered more guns now but they are still a two week wait .
1911s are scarce but and ammo for them isn't to bad but your limited to 100 rds per sale.

LOL.  PMC .223 sold for US$4.99 for 20 during the Clinton-Feinstein-Biden AWB.  Why wouldn't one be able to buy all they wanted at $30.00 (or $60.00 for that matter)? 

The useful idiots at the retail counter will reflexively rail against the current Obama-Feinstein-Biden triumvirate out of pure ignorance.  Two steps up the supply chain, managers and execs know what's what.  Manufacturers and distributors are simply "holding out" for the highest sale price on both arms and ammo.  It's their "right",  granted to them as a reward for supporting Obama's campaign against Romney.  Wayne LaPierre knows that as well as anyone.   New firearms laws CANNOT be passed without his specific approval. 

Why don't firearms enthusiasts just outsmart "Hussein" and his stooges?  It's as simple as buying product when prices are low, and withhold their hard earned dollars then the gouging begins.  Put pressure where it belongs, on Obama and the sleazy profiteers who have joined forces with him.

Some things are complicated.  Some are not.

So you think not paying taxes is the way forward. What about the not so useful idiots? My statement is not based on what counter sales people say about who is buying the ammunition. What makes the leftists so blind?

[mcwoodduck]

Quote from rickt300:
"The ammo shortage is completely contrived by the govt."


I disagree. It is hoarding gun owners that have created the shortages, just like 2008 but worse.
GuzziJohn

I disagree with you.  Yes there are some people like in 2008 that are panic buying.  But the Department of Homeland Security is buying large quanties.  The odd thing is that they are not buying a spec like all government agencies.  The police, FBI, and the Military all buy a spec.  All the 40 Cal ammo will be of one type for example.   The DHS PO's are for any and all of the most popular ammo.  They are asking for multiple bullet weights and designs for the same caliber. 
The other odd thing is that most Departments have standard firearms.  All of the people in the department will have the same fire arm or at least the same caliber, especally in the federal system.  DHS is asking for ammo in multiple calibers and asking for all the popular calibers like 380, 9mm, 38 Special, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 223, 308, 30-06, and 7.62X39 (really strange)
It seems that the DHS is either artifically making shortages to stop people from shooting, they are making shortages so we do not have ammo for the firearms we have (Holder said they may have a right to guns but the 2nd says nothing about ammo), or they are planning on taking arms from us and the less bullets the easier it will be for them.

[Anna]

The main difference in BP and smokeless is that smokeless is made with different forms of
alcohol involved in the mix .
Refined potassium nitrate is also another factor in this . So is sulphuric oxide not raw sulphur .
Either is also used in some but its shelf life isn't all that good .
The mix in a primer is usually phomanita mercury , it is a contact explosive nitrate .

[goodshot]

Guy's, am I the only one who likes to hear a lady talk about gun powder?
I have seen kits at Pyrodirect.com for gunpowder, good old 3 part formula.
Best wishes

[thumper113]

The government is only buying 5% of the ammo produced according to Hornady.

Around here you can buy all the ammo you want.   Just hit a Saturday flea market and pay four times what it's worth.  THAT is who's buying it and will continue to as long as people keep buying from them.

[JonnyReb]

Quote from rickt300:
"The ammo shortage is completely contrived by the govt."


I disagree. It is hoarding gun owners that have created the shortages, just like 2008 but worse.
GuzziJohn

I disagree with you.  Yes there are some people like in 2008 that are panic buying.  But the Department of Homeland Security is buying large quanties.  The odd thing is that they are not buying a spec like all government agencies.  The police, FBI, and the Military all buy a spec.  All the 40 Cal ammo will be of one type for example.   The DHS PO's are for any and all of the most popular ammo.  They are asking for multiple bullet weights and designs for the same caliber. 
The other odd thing is that most Departments have standard firearms.  All of the people in the department will have the same fire arm or at least the same caliber, especally in the federal system.  DHS is asking for ammo in multiple calibers and asking for all the popular calibers like 380, 9mm, 38 Special, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 223, 308, 30-06, and 7.62X39 (really strange)
It seems that the DHS is either artifically making shortages to stop people from shooting, they are making shortages so we do not have ammo for the firearms we have (Holder said they may have a right to guns but the 2nd says nothing about ammo), or they are planning on taking arms from us and the less bullets the easier it will be for them.

  Its just standard operating procedure for the regime. Now they're gonna do the same thing..with sugar.
 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1455218_.html

[Anna]

Guy's, am I the only one who likes to hear a lady talk about gun powder?
I have seen kits at Pyrodirect.com for gunpowder, good old 3 part formula.
Best wishes

Three parts , potassium nitrate , sulphur , and charcoal .
But what are the percentages and how do you go from there ?
And how do you induce alcohol into the mix ?
Alcohol has 33 different derivatives , which ones are the ones to use for smokeless ?
Depends on what you want it to do , pistol or rifle and you have to calculate the burn rate to
facilitate chamber pressures .
Primers ? There is a way to get around this , and it has to do with a child's toy .

[Lizzie-6]

The government is only buying 5% of the ammo produced according to Hornady.

Around here you can buy all the ammo you want.   Just hit a Saturday flea market and pay four times what it's worth.  THAT is who's buying it and will continue to as long as people keep buying from them. 

Same here.  Individual dealers arrive at gun shows with multiple 40' trailers dedicated exclusively to small arms ammunition.  They're sold out before mid day, regardless of the prices.  The declaration of "shortage" and/or "drought" is a marketing tactic.  It's used for water, gasoline, and ammo, among other things.  At a predetermined price point, the spigot opens.  Always has.  Always will. 

It is entirely within the power of arms and ammo consumers to resolve the issue.  Simply don't allow yourself to be gouged.  Demand that 1000 rounds of ammo be included (at no charge) with EVERY firearms purchase.  No free ammo, no sale. 

Does anyone on this forum really NEED to buy firearms or ammunition at inflated prices?  Those who do are the enemy of shooting sports enthusiasts and firearms owners worldwide.  Know your enemy.  Educate him before it's too late.  Otherwise, he'll take you down with him.  (Like he's doing right now.)

[Anna]

Then we have caseless ammo , a great idea but it never did pan out for H&K who spent a fortune
on its R&D . A primer wasnt needed, the solid gun powder was ignited by a Magneto housed in the
trigger mechanism . 
It all worked just fine in a bolt action, but the pounding of a FA would break the solid powder into
bits . Enter the rotary chamber , sorta like a Gatling gun but they were very heavy and too
cumbersome to ever use . A real dud of a program .

[Anna]

Lizzie , I think they get dumbfounded over the chick invasion here .