obummercare may cost 93,000 hospitol jobs. Thanks liberal democrats.

[powderman]

 Obamacare: 93,000 Hospital Job Losses 12/03/12
Obamacare is going to result in lost hospital jobs.
From One News Now:
 

Hospitals are expected to cut some 93,000 jobs in 2013 in anticipation of ObamaCare. A former presidential candidate and conservative advocate says America needs to prepare for major changes in the medical industry.
 
Orlando Health, a not-for-profit network of community and specialty hospitals, is just one example of the massive layoffs expected in the coming year. Officials with the Central Florida-based healthcare services provider announced on Monday that the largest staff reduction in its nearly 100-year history will result in cutting up to 400 jobs, starting immediately.
Gary Bauer, president of Washington DC-based

American Values, warns that this is only the beginning of an economic catastrophe that will impact America for years.
 
"The ripple effects, the negatives on our economy, are going to be playing out for not just months, but for years," he says. "And I doubt we will ever be able to totally measure the complete cost in manpower and in money -- in addition to taxes -- that ObamaCare will end up costing the American people, proving once again there is no such thing as a free lunch, and there is no such thing as free healthcare."
 
"I think that what the public still doesn't realize is that all the savings the president projected are literally savings that come from not paying hospitals, doctors and other care centers for services," he tells OneNewsNow. "And if you don't pay them, you're not going to get the services, unless somehow through courts or otherwise we can restrict the impact of ObamaCare."
Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121203003-hospital-losses.html#TVBKbewM3kamrBgV.99

[Sourdough]

Heard today that General Practitioners are going fast.  All want to be specialist, they don't have to mess with all the Paperwork, and get paid more.

I don't blame the Dems, I blame the socalled Republicans that refused to vote anti Obama.  We had the swing votes, it was Republicans that refused to vote that gave us Obama for another four years.

[powderman]

Heard today that General Practitioners are going fast.  All want to be specialist, they don't have to mess with all the Paperwork, and get paid more.

I don't blame the Dems, I blame the socalled Republicans that refused to vote anti Obama.  We had the swing votes, it was Republicans that refused to vote that gave us Obama for another four years.

 
ROG. Right you are Sir, the vote tossers refused to fight him too, and that definitely hurt too. POWDERMAN. 

[dwalk]

i heard on the news this a.m. that obama has added a 6000 page addition to the 73,000 page tax code this week...nice guy...and the IRS published a 179 page list of new "Rules"


it looks as though his whole purpose in his "Presidency" is to raise taxes. he apparently has targeted "The wealthy" for some reason.


it was calculated that the proposed tax hikes will pay pay off the CURRENT debt sometime in the 25th century.


if we, as a country, survive the tenure of this president, it will be a miracle. what's sad, and tragic, is he knows exactly what will happen if his agenda is completed; his dream of making us just like Kenya will come true.

[Cuts Crooked]

I don't blame the Dems, I blame the socalled Republicans that refused to vote anti Obama.  We had the swing votes, it was Republicans that refused to vote that gave us Obama for another four years.

Thank goodness I'm no longer a republican!

[powderman]

it looks as though his whole purpose in his "Presidency" is to raise taxes. he apparently has targeted "The wealthy" for some reason.

 
DWALK. By taxing the wealthy they will move out taking millions of jobs with them. All a calculated part of husseins plan to destroy us. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

well re train them hospital workers to dig graves ! it will work out ..........

[BUGEYE]

well re train them hospital workers to dig graves ! it will work out ..........

You are probably closer to the truth than a lot of people realize.  If I can't get timely care or emergency care quite often,  I'm a goner.

[srussell]

 my wife just had a shoulder joint replaced. her doctor told her to do it now. because he was not sure how things would go after the first of the year. its going to hurt the medical field as we know it

[ChungDoQuan]

Not gonna happen. Docs, Administrators, Insurors, and Pharma are just going to have to take a smaller piece of the pie. There is still nowhere else they will be able to make more than in the US. It's hard to move hospital jobs overseas.

[SHOOTALL]

Not gonna happen. Docs, Administrators, Insurors, and Pharma are just going to have to take a smaller piece of the pie. There is still nowhere else they will be able to make more than in the US. It's hard to move hospital jobs overseas.

Sure about that ? one thing that has been put in place even before the HCA was passed was the lowering of the test that doctors educated in other countries must pass to pratice in the USA. Consider doctors from asia and the middle east can come here and make more money and still get paid less than US doctors . Up until now it was harder for them to meet US standards insuring they could give the same service as doctors here . Some say this was done to ensure there would be doctors if US doctors rebelled. Now consider the number of student doctors changing their major to accounting and law etc and getting out of the medical field.
  I believe many understimate the will of the American people  at least the ones who work to resist change they see as bad. Look only as far back as Poland when all workers walked off the job , could govt. stand 2 weeks of no tax money comming in ? could industry ? what would happen if no one bought gas for two weeks ?

[BUGEYE]

I don't blame the Dems, I blame the socalled Republicans that refused to vote anti Obama.  We had the swing votes, it was Republicans that refused to vote that gave us Obama for another four years.

Thank goodness I'm no longer a republican!

constitutionalist maybe?  that's where I'm going.

[ChungDoQuan]

Hey, close ALL the hospitals! Then, you get to deal directly with the MDs and RNs and pay them cash, directly out of pocket. As professionals in licensed professions, they can each become an independent contractors. Sounds like righty paradise--- lefty paradise, too, for that matter, since no corporations will be involved at all. Then the only question will be can you afford their services?

[dwalk]

Hey, close ALL the hospitals! Then, you get to deal directly with the MDs and RNs and pay them cash, directly out of pocket. As professionals in licensed professions, they can each become an independent contractors. Sounds like righty paradise--- lefty paradise, too, for that matter, since no corporations will be involved at all. Then the only question will be can you afford their services?

no...the average person will NOT be able to afford to pay from "Out of the pocket"; taxes will eat up most of the income of most of the average workers pay. that's what this president is all about...tax the Americans out of existence.


we made no where near $250,000.00 in 2009, as an example, and our tax bracket was nearly 30%...i shutter to think what it will be after Jan 1, 2013.


so far, there has been 6000 pages added to the existing, 70,000 page tax code, and 179 new pages of "Rules" from the IRS and that's probably, just the beginning!


you wanted more taxation...they're  surely coming.

[SHOOTALL]

Hey, close ALL the hospitals! Then, you get to deal directly with the MDs and RNs and pay them cash, directly out of pocket. As professionals in licensed professions, they can each become an independent contractors. Sounds like righty paradise--- lefty paradise, too, for that matter, since no corporations will be involved at all. Then the only question will be can you afford their services?

you mean like they do in canada under ther table , BTW most doctors are IC  they are lic already.

[ChungDoQuan]

Knock yourself out. By the way, RN's make nearly $40/hr; Docs considerably more...  Maybe you can find one cheaper, you know, like they did with abortions in the old days.

[Brett]

Knock yourself out. By the way, RN's make nearly $40/hr; Docs considerably more...  Maybe you can find one cheaper, you know, like they did with abortions in the old days.

You would prefer second rate, discount doctors and nurses taken care of You Chung?  Not me. 

[ChungDoQuan]

Of course not, and that's my point. ALL hospitals exist on government funding, even the so-called "for profit" ones. The taxpayer is  already footing the bill for universal coverage; we just are not getting a deal, at all. I'm for single payer. Period. That is the only thing that will work long term. Get the corporations OUT of the health care business.

[dwalk]

i believe the whole problem will boil down to this:


you (meaning all of us) will be heavily taxed in  every field you can imagine. as an example as of Jan 1, 2013, there will be a 3.8% sale tax on real estate...you sell your home for $100,000.00 and Uncle Sam gets $3800.00 of it...now, if you have only $50,000.00 equity, and after paying realtors fees etc,( which run as high as 6% here in California) how much do you have left?


now, knowing the way governmental entities operate, they will set a standard for getting "Affordable health care" so that most will have to be living in a shoe box, with almost virtually no income at all, in order to qualify; they may set a standard of an annual income of lower than $30,000.00 per year for a family of two, as an example...poverty level is $32,000.00 for a family of two currently, yet the tax increases will hit EVERYONE...


i have dealt with the IRS...they are NOT understanding, kind, benevolent or forgiving; they are unforgiving, ruthless and merciless. they are the one obama chose to be his "Enforcement" arm...you WILL pay or else...no if's, and's or but's...


so in the end, we will end up paying for our own health care AND someone else's at the same time...(that's the way it is now...it's just our share will go UP on how much is paid)


when  i was working, i was paying for my family and for my future medicare...now that i am utilizing medicare, i'm paying just medicare premiums...should i be required to pay more for "Some one else"?


"Affordable health care" is NOT as affordable as we are lead to  believe it will be once you look at what it will REALLY cost under the AHCA and all the taxation it brings.

[SHOOTALL]

Knock yourself out. By the way, RN's make nearly $40/hr; Docs considerably more...I make that working construction and don't have near the insurance cost they do.   Maybe you can find one cheaper, you know, like they did with abortions in the old days.   Never had one I'm aginst them . To be honest I don't think govt. should pay for them . If anything it should instill stronger morals . Or at least birth control then murder would not have to be commited to make a life changer go away . 

[nw_hunter]

Of course not, and that's my point. ALL hospitals exist on government funding, even the so-called "for profit" ones. The taxpayer is  already footing the bill for universal coverage; we just are not getting a deal, at all. I'm for single payer. Period. That is the only thing that will work long term. Get the corporations OUT of the health care business.

One step in the right direction.....IMO!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/cash-doctors-revisited_555536.html

[clum sum]

Shouldn't this be in Truth, Lies and Conspiracy Theories?

[mechanic]

One thing is for sure, if the government is in charge of it, it will be done right at a reasonable cost......
 
Ben

[dwalk]

the ONLY hospital in the town closest to where i live "went belly up" due to unpaid medical bills...

[lakota]

By the way, RN's make nearly $40/hr

This is a bald faced lie. Oh and what would you have them make? minimum wage perhaps?
 
Top 10 Highest Nurse Paying States
   

State	Salary (hourly)
1. California	$25.45
2. Hawaii	$24.76
3.Massachusetts	$23.38
4. New Jersey	$23.33
5. Alaska	$23.09
6. Delaware	$22.98
7. Oregon	$22.91
8. Nevada	$22.83
9. Maryland	$22.79
10. Connecticut	$22.62

http://scrubsmag.com/top-10-best-and-worst-states-to-be-a-nurse/

[SwampThing762]

Obamacare is going to force hospitals to endure more nonreimbursed care costs.   It will drive even more hospitals out of business.  Be sure to thank a Democrat in 2013 and 2014.

ST762

[ChungDoQuan]

http://www.indeed.com/salary/Nurse-RN.html
 
Those are STARTING salaries, Lakota. Topout pay for RNs is typically $37-39/hr. Add in 15% shift diff for nights, and 7-10% diff for weekends and the experienced RNs are pushing $50/hr.

[lakota]

I could post more to refute your claims but why bother? Those evil and greedy skilled health care providers need to be taken down a few dozen notches. Never mind the job related stress, exposure to infectious illnesses and all of the student loans they have to pay back. Never mind that without them the entire in-hospital healthcare system as we know it collapses. By the way you still didnt answer my question: What would you have those evil greedy RN's make per hour? Is 10 or 15 bucks an hour too much?

[ChungDoQuan]

I think I'm misunderstood. I'm not saying that RNs are not WORTH what they are paid. I'm saying that what you would have to pay out of pocket is a lot more than what most people expect. A nurse is a doc's hands and eyes. They get 'way less respect than they deserve and do things that other people just would not do--- usually the things the docs won't do either. And a good Nurse Practitioner is as good as a GP, for the most part--- though they make 'way less than the docs. And now an NP has to have a Doctorate degree most places. That's ironic. An MD has the equivalent of a Masters degree, but to do mostly the same thing, a nurse has to have a Doctorate. (Not many docs are PhDs, and the ones who are teach, usually.) So now you have RNs, making 20-30% less than docs, with twice the student loans to pay back. We're punishing the people who actually go into the field to try and help people. ALL medical education should be subsidized, and not by the "industry."

[SwampThing762]

ChungDuQuan,

I have no idea where you get your information, but it is flat-out wrong.  Baptist Medical System, in Jacksonville, FL, has nurses all with BSNs, which is not a Master's Degree, or a Doctorate.  Furthermore, PAs, and ARNPs, graduate with an assortment of Master's Degrees, in accordance with the requirements of the American Academy of Physician Assistants (AAPA).

Actual physicians endure a much longer training program, which is the reason for larger student loan debts.   Also, actual physicians are in position of higher risk, so there is a greater monetary reward.

Please, get your facts straight when you talk about the medical and healthcare profession.

ST762