Pedophile

[Bear Rider]

Are you serious.  Most pediphiles are hetero.  "sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object".  Why would you think a hetero. could not be a pedophile? Here is your sign.  Show me the studies where children are impaired by homosexual parents....you can't..... Boy are you full of bull.

Show us the studies to back YOUR claim.

Not a specific study, but:

 http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/pedophilia_and_molestation.htm

Google will find more info.

My real point is: Gay people are actually less likely to victimize a child in the way some of you think they do.

Is acting on gay impulses wrong?  According to the bible, yes.  Still, gay parents can provide a better alternative than many straight parents and/or the government.

Sorry, but any paper you wrote citing that source would get an "F".

Thus far, all you have posted is your (still) unsupported opinion.

[SHOOTALL]

Hummmmm..     I'm just wondering if those 4 pro football team cheerleaders who lured that poor, abused 16 year old teenaged boy into having sex with them qualify as pedophiles... 

No ! from what I have read here they can't be ! They are not stright males !

[RevJim]

  I'm sorry if I came across as judging any "person"; we must always judge any person's actions. I'm not the Savior, of course, but I have been "in the trenches" with many a human wreck, both victims and perps. Some change, and while I haven't seen them all...I was saying I've never seen a pedophile delivered, cured, whatever. I think all of us here are on the same page about child abuse.
 There have been many observations/studies of the "average" life span of Homosexual lifestyles being shortened by 20yrs. Smoking cuts 10yrs off, and there are all kinds of warning labels, etc. Domestic abuse is higher among Gays. And BTW, while I haven't met them all, I've never met any "Gay" person who was really "Happy". Just saying. Again, I am no ones judge, but when it comes to the children/teens we must protect them with all vigilence and swift justice. On that I think we all agree.
 

[SHOOTALL]

I think you point out a good thought . The gay can influnce where the pedophile forces his way . Both can be bad . Accepting the gay is a personal decision for each of us. Accepting the pedophile is impossible in a sane mind.

[Gus McCrae]

Are you serious.  Most pediphiles are hetero.  "sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object".  Why would you think a hetero. could not be a pedophile? Here is your sign.  Show me the studies where children are impaired by homosexual parents....you can't..... Boy are you full of bull.

Show us the studies to back YOUR claim.

Not a specific study, but:

 http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/pedophilia_and_molestation.htm

Google will find more info.

My real point is: Gay people are actually less likely to victimize a child in the way some of you think they do.

Is acting on gay impulses wrong?  According to the bible, yes.  Still, gay parents can provide a better alternative than many straight parents and/or the government.

Sorry, but any paper you wrote citing that source would get an "F".

Thus far, all you have posted is your (still) unsupported opinion.

Which is why I said it wasn't a study.

Here is one abstract with reference links to others.  Like I said, Google will find you more:

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1556756/

[Gus McCrae]

gus. What was hogwash?? If you mean hussein appointing a well known homosexual and pedophile to child safety czar, you are right. POWDERMAN. 

DDZ's broad brush painting the inner thoughts of what a homosexual has going on in their head.  I'm kinda smart and I can't figure out what my wife is thinking much less some stranger who I have not met.

[Bear Rider]

Which is why I said it wasn't a study.

Here is one abstract with reference links to others.  Like I said, Google will find you more:

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1556756/

Yeah. It's a like to papers that you have to BUY.
Nice try.

As for my Googling, YOU are the one who made the claim. Proof is YOUR responsibility. Thus far you seem to be simply pulling statements out of thin air.

[Gus McCrae]

Which is why I said it wasn't a study.

Here is one abstract with reference links to others.  Like I said, Google will find you more:

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1556756/

Yeah. It's a like to papers that you have to BUY.
Nice try.

As for my Googling, YOU are the one who made the claim. Proof is YOUR responsibility. Thus far you seem to be simply pulling statements out of thin air.

Let's be clear:  I didn't make the claim that pedophiles are more often homosexual.  My thoughts are that a homosexual does not make a pedophile nor are they more likely to be.

Beyond that: How about this a report that cites sources?

 http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

If you don't want to be convinced just say so.

[two-blocked]

Too cheap and too lazy to educate yourself? 
 
Hopefully free information from UC Davis will meet your  requirements.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
 
Willing to undertake the monumental task of driving to the library?
The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles among Sex
Offenders against Children: An Exploratory Study
Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J, Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 1992,
18, 1, spring, 34-43.
An investigation of whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among
pedophiles is related to that of preferred partner sex among males
preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to
calculate the proportion of true pedophiles .
 
The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia
Bradford, John M W; Bloomberg, D; Bourget, D, Psychiatric Journal of the
University of Ottawa/Revue de Psychiatrie de l'Universite d'Ottawa, 1988,
13, 4, Nov, 217-226.
Numerous studies have looked at the characteristics of pedophiles,
including their victim characteristics, social & demographic data,
psychiatric data, & data on physiological & other variables. The findings
of these studies - ie, that pedophiles are ...
 
Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality
Freund, Kurt; Heasman, Gerald; Racansky, I G; Glancy, Graham, Journal of
Sex and Marital Therapy, 1984, 10, 3, fall, 193-200.
An examination of the relationship between sexual preference & pedophilia.
The proportional prevalence of gynephilia (preference for mature Fs) &
androphilia (preference for mature Ms) in the general population was
compared to that of sexual offenders' ...
 
Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons
Groth, A Nicholas; Birnbaum, H Jean, Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1978, 7,
3, May, 175-181.
... the contrary, it is suggested that homosexuality & pedophilia are
incompatible, given that the child molester is attracted by the prepubic,
predominately feminine characteristics of their victims, while
homosexuality involves a preference ...
 
Sexual Behavior and Its Development in Pedophilic Men
Nedome, K; Mellan, J; Pondelickova, J, Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1971,
1, 3, 267-271.
... showed in many ways a sexual behavior closer to the average adult than
to pedophilia. It is of interest that only 36% of the persons investigated
felt that their sexual act was an expression of abnormality or sickness. 4
Figures. Modified HA.

[DDZ]

gus. What was hogwash?? If you mean hussein appointing a well known homosexual and pedophile to child safety czar, you are right. POWDERMAN. 

DDZ's broad brush painting the inner thoughts of what a homosexual has going on in their head.  I'm kinda smart and I can't figure out what my wife is thinking much less some stranger who I have not met.

Naa... Gus, I'm not painting anything with a broad brush. Just stating facts on what homosexuals are, and what they do. Do some research Gus, instead of listening to garbage, or should I say hogwash, that the liberals and the pro homosexual crowd want you to believe. In my previous post I never indicated that I know what Homo's are thinking. You thought that up on your own. Also thats good you think of yourself as intelligent, but do you know there is a difference between intelligence and wisdom? Here is a link to a study between homosexuality and pedophilia. It explains a bit more on the subject then some of the other short studies posted, that offer nothing more than "homo's aren't pedophiles". Some studies look good to some if all the facts are not provided. With your admitted intelligence, I'm sure you can figure it out. Just remove the blinders.   

http://njiat.com/media/Homosexuality%20and%20Child%20Sexual%20Abuse.pdf

[DDZ]

In my book God is the only one to judge us.  He made us, and he alone can judge us.  I just try to treat anyone doing no harm with dignity and respect and I leave the rest to the Lord.  I feel sorry for anyone who puts someone down just so they can feel superior. You folks sure you are qualified to judge anyone doing no harm?  I think not.

Aaah, the judging term came out. I knew it would just be a matter of time. Anyway how is it I or anyone else is judging by stating facts. The judging term always comes out when there is truth spoken that certain people don't want to hear. Feeling superior has nothing at all to do with it. The same as hate has nothing to do with it.
It is certainly good that you treat homosexuals with dignity and respect. I do the same. In fact I work with, but not directly, with a homosexual, and I treat him with the same respect as I do others. One thing is certain, I would never tell him what he is doing is ok. In fact I like this guy so much I spoke to him about homosexuality, and told him that in God's eyes its an abomination, and without repentance from this sin it will lead him to a very possible early death on earth, but most importantly death for eternity. Thats not me saying that. Its what God says in his book that he had written for everybody, so that we would know His expectations of how we should live.
Along with that dignity and respect, we should not aid and abet a lifestyle that surely will lead to death. Do you think God would want his people aiding and abetting this immoral lifestyle? 
   
Homosexuals do cause harm. They spread sexually transmitted disease to others. They cause harm when they introduce young men, and yes sometimes young boys into the homosexual lifestyle. They also cause harm to a moral society, by trying to introduce their immoral lifestyle into that society as being a normal lifestyle.  God would not have been so outspoken about homosexuality if it caused no harm as you claim it does. Saying homosexuality is wrong is not judging. Its simply saying what God wrote in His book to us.                 

[powderman]

DDZ. Another good post Sir. Homosexuality adds greatly to the moral bankruptcy worldwide. POWDERMAN. 

[briarpatch]

I ask what a sinner was for a reason I shall drop, It has been covered. But, a fact, a fact, homos are predators, they prey on the young and weak, If there is a child that is shy or lonely, have parents that don't fully participate in his up bringing, they move in. All of them move in. A child is now their play thing until another comes along.
If you know a sodomite, you know a predator. These studies that are full of b.s. come from the sodomite community. They try and teach others that a sodomite can not change because they don't want to lose a sexual avenue.

[Bear Rider]

Let's be clear:  I didn't make the claim that pedophiles are more often homosexual.  My thoughts are that a homosexual does not make a pedophile nor are they more likely to be.

Beyond that: How about this a report that cites sources?

 http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

If you don't want to be convinced just say so.

That study has the same failure as every other study that I have seen. If fails to take into account the fact that homosexuals make up a small percentage of the basic population. The claims are similar to those who support illegal foreigners by stating that most crimes are committed by citizens. Strictly speaking, they are correct. However, the percentage of illegals in the overall population is FAR smaller than their percentage of convict criminals.

I'm willing to be convinced. I simply require genuine facts rather than numeric semantics as "proof".

[SHOOTALL]

you can ignore a gay person and teach your children they are wrong and to ignore them. A pedophile be it gay or not can't be ignored and that is the difference . Wheather a gay is one or not or how many out of a hundred is not the point . The point is to ID a pedophile and deal with them .

[mechanic]

Shootall, two years ago we were having a popcorn sale with my scouts at our Walmart.  There was a fellow,ordinary looking enough that came and went to Walmart several times withing a couple hours.  Each time he would stop and speak with some of my scouts, but bought no popcorn.  One of the ladies brought her smart phone over to me, and there he was on the pedophile watch list, photo and all.
 
When he came the fourth time he must have gone in another door, but I saw him as he came out, and got up and headed toward him....he started jogging to his car.  I caught up with him as he was starting the engine.  I explained my friendship with several police officials, and my intense desire to shoot him on the spot and we didn't see him any more.
 
It is a special kind of sickness which causes this in a man, and sorrowfully, I don't believe it can be fixed....or if it can, we can't trust it with these little guys.
 
Ben

[SHOOTALL]

Shootall, two years ago we were having a popcorn sale with my scouts at our Walmart.  There was a fellow,ordinary looking enough that came and went to Walmart several times withing a couple hours.  Each time he would stop and speak with some of my scouts, but bought no popcorn.  One of the ladies brought her smart phone over to me, and there he was on the pedophile watch list, photo and all.
 
When he came the fourth time he must have gone in another door, but I saw him as he came out, and got up and headed toward him....he started jogging to his car.  I caught up with him as he was starting the engine.  I explained my friendship with several police officials, and my intense desire to shoot him on the spot and we didn't see him any more.
 
It is a special kind of sickness which causes this in a man, and sorrowfully, I don't believe it can be fixed....or if it can, we can't trust it with these little guys.
 
Ben

I have watched programs and tapes on the subject along with reading some . All say it is a condition that cannot be fixed.
Please don't take this the wrong way but IMHO you should have called the police and let them arrest him . If he was a true sex offender ( which if you say he was I believe) then being that close and making conversation with young people would be a violation of his conditions to be out. If we would stand up to these people things might not be as bad . Think what would have not happened if only some brave soul had turned in what was going on at penn state years ago.

[powderman]

MECHANIC. Good for you Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[DDZ]

What are the consequences for them if caught? Some jail time, and their name on a pedophile watch list. Maybe if the consequences were a bit more severe, they might think twice about molesting children. Wonder what percentage don't get caught. 

[SHOOTALL]

What are the consequences for them if caught? Some jail time, and their name on a pedophile watch list. Maybe if the consequences were a bit more severe, they might think twice about molesting children. Wonder what percentage don't get caught.

From what I have read/saw they can't reason enough to consider getting caught. That's why they can't be helped. Some have asked to stay locked up as they didn't want to do it again but could not stop. These are very sick and dangerous people . Letting them out after they have been caught with the idea if they are not allowed near childern things will be ok is pure BS.
I would guess lots get away with it as long as they don't kill the child. shame .

[mechanic]

I was told by the police that since we were in a public place, as opposed to a school or even private residence, he had every right to be there, and since we were soliciting the public, unless we overheard improper overtures, etc. they could do no more than I had done, and actually not as much.
 
Ben

[SHOOTALL]

That stinks , I have heard here they can't be with in so many feet of a young person. Glad you ran the %$#@%$ of %#@^ off !

[DDZ]

Why is it there are more of them today. Or is it just the information highway? When I was growing up my parents and other parents didn't have much worry about us getting picked up by a pedophile, and I never remember hearing of any kid getting molested.  There were days when we went outside my parents didn't see us until lunch time, then not until supper time. We always lived in the country but still the worry then wasn't there.
When I and my wife raised our sons, my wife kept tabs on where they were at most of the time. I remember not being all that concerned either about pedophiles.
Now I have two granddaughters and a grandson, and I'm terrified of the fact that there might be a pedophile behind every woodpile looking for a child. I have told my sons and daughter-in-laws a number of times to never let their kids out of their sight. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid as I age, but the thought of someone molesting one of my grand kids is unbearable. Both my sons carry, but pedophiles use stealth to carry out their dirty work.   

[BUGEYE]

Why is it there are more of them today. Or is it just the information highway? When I was growing up my parents and other parents didn't have much worry about us getting picked up by a pedophile, and I never remember hearing of any kid getting molested.  There were days when we went outside my parents didn't see us until lunch time, then not until supper time. We always lived in the country but still the worry then wasn't there.
When I and my wife raised our sons, my wife kept tabs on where they were at most of the time. I remember not being all that concerned either about pedophiles.
Now I have two granddaughters and a grandson, and I'm terrified of the fact that there might be a pedophile behind every woodpile looking for a child. I have told my sons and daughter-in-laws a number of times to never let their kids out of their sight. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid as I age, but the thought of someone molesting one of my grand kids is unbearable. Both my sons carry, but pedophiles use stealth to carry out their dirty work.

when we were growing up, a pedophile knew that someone would slit his throat if he messed with a kid.
we need penalties that terrify.
if you murder someone, we punish you with a warm bed, 3 meals a day plus snacks, TV, radio, books, exercise equipment, free medical care, computers, a chance to further your education.
crime does pay!!!!!

[briarpatch]

If you remember when we were kids homos stayed on the down low now they have a voice and are making inroads into judges seats, congress, teaching etc. in a big way.
homos are pediphiles and they are now out and about and can get away with it. They have people thinking there is a difference between homo and pedo. There is not. When the homo was liberated so was the pedo.

[BUGEYE]

If you remember when we were kids homos stayed on the down low now they have a voice and are making inroads into judges seats, congress, teaching etc. in a big way.
homos are pediphiles and they are now out and about and can get away with it. They have people thinking there is a difference between homo and pedo. There is not. When the homo was liberated so was the pedo.

you can thank a democrat for that.

[DDZ]

If you remember when we were kids homos stayed on the down low now they have a voice and are making inroads into judges seats, congress, teaching etc. in a big way.
homos are pediphiles and they are now out and about and can get away with it. They have people thinking there is a difference between homo and pedo. There is not. When the homo was liberated so was the pedo.

Thats right briarpatch. We can clearly see that Homo's and their lifestyle are being accepted into society to go along with the rest of the moral decay. They do have a lot of people fooled into thinking their lifestyle is something other than what it really is. They are well on their way to gaining acceptance. Next will be to get the accepted age  lowered from 18 to 16 or 15 so they can legally have sex with them.

Bugeye I agree the penalties need to be increased. If death was a consequence I'm sure many would refrain from molesting a child. Its just like the lazy guy that always gets parking tickets and pays a five dollar fine, but continues to park in places that he shouldn't. If that parking ticket fine was $10,000 I'd bet he would be more apt to park somewhere legal, and walk a bit further.     

[BUGEYE]

If you remember when we were kids homos stayed on the down low now they have a voice and are making inroads into judges seats, congress, teaching etc. in a big way.
homos are pediphiles and they are now out and about and can get away with it. They have people thinking there is a difference between homo and pedo. There is not. When the homo was liberated so was the pedo.

Thats right briarpatch. We can clearly see that Homo's and their lifestyle are being accepted into society to go along with the rest of the moral decay. They do have a lot of people fooled into thinking their lifestyle is something other than what it really is. They are well on their way to gaining acceptance. Next will be to get the accepted age  lowered from 18 to 16 or 15 so they can legally have sex with them.

Bugeye I agree the penalties need to be increased. If death was a consequence I'm sure many would refrain from molesting a child. Its just like the lazy guy that always gets parking tickets and pays a five dollar fine, but continues to park in places that he shouldn't. If that parking ticket fine was $10,000 I'd bet he would be more apt to park somewhere legal, and walk a bit further.     

very good analogy.

[Dixie Dude]

You know if one looks at the Old Testiment, you would think God as being harsh.  He is Holy.  Anyways, gay, pedophiles, beasteality, rape, were all considered capital punishment, even adultry was.  Why?  I think God was showing the Israelites (Jews) how bad sin was and didn't want this genetic defect in their race.  If we had capital punishment for this today, we would have a much safer and healthier society.  I've read that Aids research and treatments take up about 20% of healthcare.  Same with any PREVENTABLE disease.  I think God didn't want the Jews eating pork and certain animals, because they carried deadly disease if not cleaned and cooked properly, thus eliminating them from the diet prevented the disease.  I know homosexuality is a sin, and Romans says it is a sin.  Christians are to avoid sin and sinful people, because the lure of sin is great.  We had less adultry when women were homemakers and didn't work alongside men.  1) Homosexuals can't produce so they should die out.  2) It is a sin in almost all religions.  So how can people still have unnatural tendencies if they should die out?  Genetics? and they lure young men or women into this perverted lifestyle.  Being bi-polar and schizophrenic is not considered normal, but with medication and family intervention these people can live normal lifestyles.  So why is being gay not considered abnormal like it once was?  Marriage is for a man and woman for procreation and proper rearing of children.  They need both a mother and father to achieve normal adulthood.  Boys without proper fathers either become gay, perverted, or preditors and "gangsta's" moreso than a normal rearing.  Kids need proper role models to achieve a normal adult life.  If gay marriage is eventually upheld, then what is next pologomy?  After that legalizing pediphiles?  Sin grows unless nipped in the bud.  Christians are told to be the salt of the earth to keep it palatable to God, if not it becomes rotten and spoiled.  We as Christians haven't done a good job the last 50 or so years to allow this rampant sin in America since the 1950's. 

[BUGEYE]

  Kids need proper role models to achieve a normal adult life.

exactly... I know of two gay men that were each raised with a mousy father, mom ruled the roost.
the Dad needs to be strong but loving.... not overbearing and obnoxious.
Moms role is equally as important to sons and daughters.
morals, manners and respect should be taught from lap-baby age on up.

and Don't leave out God.