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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2012, 10:04:55 AM »
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 now to be fair and balanced show links to videos of cops using unnecessary force, brutality, making false arrests, lying to citizens and the like.

Well, that's exactly what this thread started with. ::)

On the other hand, I can keep posting these all day, I just scratched the surface of a google search for Police heroics.

Want to get really gritty? Try reading though the whole thing: http://books.google.com/books?id=ivFSr3qWDucC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=heroic+acts+by+police+officers&source=bl&ots=Cjct_72B9j&sig=sBJj3-XXFetO0rHrzx-4upB9vuA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uEgYUIy2Bqfi4QSj1YDoCQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwAjge#v=onepage&q=heroic%20acts%20by%20police%20officers&f=false

...and no, it's not a "toot the cops horn" article......keep reading.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2012, 10:28:12 AM »
Not all cops are bad. here is the problem, no cops should ever be bad actors
 now look at this piece . ..   http://www.copblock.org/2463/this-weeks-corrupt-cops-stories-10/

In Van Buren, Missouri, the Carter County sheriff was arrested Saturday on methamphetamine distribution charges. ( april 9th 2011)

if you can find one bad cop, there are hundreds that are slipping by. NO cop should be breaking the law.
explain to me how the cops in my area ride around without seat belts on , daily yet setup seat belt enforcement zones and issue tickets ? its absurd.


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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2012, 10:31:31 AM »
Not all cops are bad. here is the problem, no cops should ever be bad actors
 now look at this piece . ..   http://www.copblock.org/2463/this-weeks-corrupt-cops-stories-10/

In Van Buren, Missouri, the Carter County sheriff was arrested Saturday on methamphetamine distribution charges. ( april 9th 2011)

if you can find one bad cop, there are hundreds that are slipping by. NO cop should be breaking the law.
explain to me how the cops in my area ride around without seat belts on , daily yet setup seat belt enforcement zones and issue tickets ? its absurd.

as I asked earlier, and you made light of.....how you gonna do it?

Lot's of folks here more than willing to blame cops, not many willing to shoulder the job.....and you get what you vote for.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2012, 10:42:41 AM »
you are so right, we do get what we vote for.
and we stand by idle and let bad things happen.
and i wound'nt be a LEO for anything, i wont be part of the problem.

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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2012, 10:47:37 AM »
you are so right, we do get what we vote for.
and we stand by idle and let bad things happen.
and i wound'nt be a LEO for anything, i wont be part of the problem.

.......but you ARE. If you are standing by idle, voting for that type of "representation", you are definately "part of the problem. And if YOU aren't wiling to do the job, who are you expecting to step up and do it?

Fortunately for you the vast majority of cops out there are good and honest people, unlike some would have you believe.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2012, 10:48:43 AM »
Like I said, flip comment. But it reinforces MY comment about voters getting what they vote for.

ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!
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Hey officer, you got the wrong guy.


And you're correct, not all cops are power mongering authoritative pieces excrement who without their badges would all be three inches tall, Just alot of them, a whole lot of them.


And I have grown up around a whole lot of them on a personal basis and have known many of these animals before they became cops.


It baffles me how these thugs ever made through the screening process unless those that do the screening are power mongering nut cases as well.


If only an extensive psychological case study could be done and MADE PUBLIC to expose the frightening mind set of the average badge wearing pitbull, and also their general "us and them" attitude.


No sir, I need no enlightening on these respects. I've grown up with a ring side seat to the craziest freak show in the country and just to snatch the ham bone from the plate , yes, I have walked down that road.


I know what is involved with the job and the kind of scum that cops have to deal with everyday. I've been their and seen it. They might have to deal with it but they don't have to live with it (my friends dad's response would have been something like "if you don't like it then move" or "VOTE MORE WISELY")


But you don't deserve all this grief I'm throwing your way because you're a cop and you're completely without sin having never broken a law, right. Or that is the impression one might gather from your attitude.


You're probably NOT an alcoholic or a wife beater. Cuts, I'd bet the farm that you've never taken a bribe or set someone up and you should be commended for standing up for your own.


But the community in which you work carries with it certain psychological profile characteristics (yes, I am psych major) that would require only a nudge to fall within the same parameters of the sleaze bags that you hunt.


The problem is that this notion is not something of which the public is widely aware.


I've cooled down... You do not deserve any personal attacks from me and I hope that you will understand that it is a very personal issue for me. And I am not ignorant of the ugly reality of your profession. In fact I know too well and have experienced it from one of the capital cities of sleaze.


There are many outstanding cops out there and it is wrong for people to say that they are ALL bad. But the practice of putting a protective blanket over ALL of them is wrong.


Because of the position they chose, they should be doing it cleaner and sharper than the other guy at all times, not cut slack because "the job is so tough" (boo hoo).


With great power comes great responsibility and no quarter should  ever be allowed to anyone who sought out such power in the first place.


Cops want to be considered our communities "finest" so they should conduct themselves as the "FINEST", and as if the eyes of the public and the camera were on them at all times, on and off duty.


A lot to  ask for such a tough, difficult job...maybe. But power comes with a price. And all of those who "serve" (although who they serve is questionable) sought and chose that power, for what ever deep seeded reason be it noble or not.


Those who who exemplify should need NO adoration and those who disgrace should be handled even more severely for defiling the public trust. It is simply the path you chose. If you exemplify...salutes to you  but if you are in the minority don't sail with a ship of fools, take it back from the mutineers that tainted it.




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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2012, 11:12:05 AM »
Cuts, thanks for the discourse. i see you as a brother.
 you have my true appreciation for what you do, thank you for your LE services.


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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2012, 11:39:03 AM »
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Hey officer, you got the wrong guy.


And you're correct, not all cops are power mongering authoritative pieces excrement who without their badges would all be three inches tall, Just alot of them, a whole lot of them. And I have asked for proof of that in the form of statistics, none forthcoming as of yet.


And I have grown up around a whole lot of them on a personal basis and have known many of these animals before they became cops. I hear that lot around here.....just  HOW MANY did you know on an personal basis?


It baffles me how these thugs ever made through the screening process unless those that do the screening are power mongering nut cases as well. Baffles me as well! My agency contracts a private psychologist


If only an extensive psychological case study could be done and MADE PUBLIC to expose the frightening mind set of the average badge wearing pitbull, and also their general "us and them" attitude. Did you read the final link I gave up above?


No sir, I need no enlightening on these respects. I've grown up with a ring side seat to the craziest freak show in the country and just to snatch the ham bone from the plate , yes, I have walked down that road. Former law dawg huh? Then I wonder where you were and what you did about it.


I know what is involved with the job and the kind of scum that cops have to deal with everyday. I've been their and seen it. They might have to deal with it but they don't have to live with it (my friends dad's response would have been something like "if you don't like it then move" or "VOTE MORE WISELY") Good idea!


But you don't deserve all this grief I'm throwing your way because you're a cop and you're completely without sin having never broken a law, right. Or that is the impression one might gather from your attitude. Donno why you would think that, I've just told the truth. Broke a few in my juvenile years.


You're probably NOT an alcoholic or a wife beater. Cuts, I'd bet the farm that you've never taken a bribe or set someone up and you should be commended for standing up for your own. Never could handle likker and my wife is a better shot than I am.


But the community in which you work carries with it certain psychological profile characteristics (yes, I am psych major) that would require only a nudge to fall within the same parameters of the sleaze bags that you hunt. Same is true of ministers and sinners.


The problem is that this notion is not something of which the public is widely aware.


I've cooled down... You do not deserve any personal attacks from me and I hope that you will understand that it is a very personal issue for me. And I am not ignorant of the ugly reality of your profession. In fact I know too well and have experienced it from one of the capital cities of sleaze.


There are many outstanding cops out there and it is wrong for people to say that they are ALL bad. But the practice of putting a protective blanket over ALL of them is wrong. Please take note that I have not defended the bad eggs involved in the OP, nor would any cop I personally know.


Because of the position they chose, they should be doing it cleaner and sharper than the other guy at all times, not cut slack because "the job is so tough" (boo hoo). Never once stated otherwise.


With great power comes great responsibility and no quarter should  ever be allowed to anyone who sought out such power in the first place. Don't deny that either.


Cops want to be considered our communities "finest" so they should conduct themselves as the "FINEST", and as if the eyes of the public and the camera were on them at all times, on and off duty. So you expect them to be more than human, or just the best of the best? You get what you pay for too.


A lot to  ask for such a tough, difficult job...maybe. But power comes with a price. And all of those who "serve" (although who they serve is questionable) sought and chose that power, for what ever deep seeded reason be it noble or not. Both aspects of your comment have merit, especially "who they serve" as noted repeatedly, you get what you vote for.


Those who who exemplify should need NO adoration and those who disgrace should be handled even more severely for defiling the public trust. It is simply the path you chose. If you exemplify...salutes to you  but if you are in the minority don't sail with a ship of fools, take it back from the mutineers that tainted it. Agreed! In 30 + years behind the badge I have personally known hundreds of LEOS, most have been men & women I am proud to call my friends and coworkers! Four were not....and they didn't last long. And I am happy to have had a hand in their removal from the ranks
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2012, 11:46:02 AM »
A video of a few bad LEO's and it turns into a LEO bashing thread. Don't some of you guys think that even if 10%  of LEO's were control freaks, that commit brutality, we would hear about a lot more of this going on. Not every You Tube video contains all facts either. Just like not everything you hear on CNN is true.
I know a few LEO's and everyone of them have very good character, a couple of them with better character then I find in most people I have met. Saying Leo's have an ego problem, and are ready to beat people up, is like saying postal workers are nuts and are ready to commit mass murder.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2012, 11:47:09 AM »
Meanwhile........today is my day off this month. ;) And I have spent too much time surfing the web and hunting down parts for my aging (like me) 750K and popping in and out of here.

I need to step back and go help my wife pick grapes (really good year for them...not so good fer the beans) and.......................I smell a DOUGHNUT!!!!!!! ;)
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2012, 12:56:40 PM »
When was the last time you voted for a cop?
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2012, 01:13:20 PM »
When was the last time you voted for a cop?

Donno 'bout you but every time I pull the lever I vote for a cop......or more importantly, the people who get them hired. You get what you vote for.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2012, 01:22:22 PM »
I think that is a weak and confusing link your drawing. Although I get it. I think that its more clear and convincing if the elected officials turn their back on this and don't do anything meaningful. Then when you can say you get what we vote for and its got some beef to it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2012, 01:26:38 PM »
It sounds to me like everything bad I have learned the past few years about LE, both by experience and a little reading is true.

I think citizens encountering the officers should... hope they never see them.

If this horror is anything like it appears to be, I think justice would be served, should all the officers involved be shot to death on duty, and the shooters acquitted by jury nullification.

Perhaps the FBI will be paying me a visit, now?


i agree with you


maybe a few victims will years later get a terminal diagnosis
and go   out taking a feww jerks like them out


the good cops that look the other way......should die too
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2012, 01:35:00 PM »
I think that is a weak and confusing link your drawing. Although I get it. I think that its more clear and convincing if the elected officials turn their back on this and don't do anything meaningful. Then when you can say you get what we vote for and its got some beef to it.

Not really, you vote them in, they make the rules......pretty straightforward. If you choose poorly, you get poor representation, if you choose well, you get good....not hard to understand.

Meanwhile: this crap is happening out there http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/5641949-Understanding-USERRA-Cops-in-our-armed-forces-still-face-discrimination-at-home/
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2012, 01:39:23 PM »
A  little  respect   &  courtesy   goes  along  way  when   confronted   with   authority. But  there s   always  that  10%   in  any   crowd   that  turn  out  to  be   bad   apples.

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« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2012, 01:42:10 PM »
I think that is a weak and confusing link your drawing. Although I get it. I think that its more clear and convincing if the elected officials turn their back on this and don't do anything meaningful. Then when you can say you get what we vote for and its got some beef to it.

Not really, you vote them in, they make the rules......pretty straightforward. If you choose poorly, you get poor representation, if you choose well, you get good....not hard to understand.

Meanwhile: this crap is happening out there http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/5641949-Understanding-USERRA-Cops-in-our-armed-forces-still-face-discrimination-at-home/

Exactly what "rules" do you think have been followed here? I'm especially interested in the ones that say you can beat a restrained prisoner.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2012, 03:43:47 PM »

Exactly what "rules" do you think have been followed here? I'm especially interested in the ones that say you can beat a restrained prisoner.

Being deliberately obtuse for the sake of argument?

And did I say rules were being followed?

I'm sorry but if you can't figure out the linkage between voting for people who are in charge of hiring the cops and making the rules/laws, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

As noted, it's really pretty simple.
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« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2012, 04:00:44 PM »
Yes I can figure it out. People we vote into office set rules, policy, appoint political posts,hire key positions, etc. I'm just lost here on the direct linkage of that understanding and a few specifically identified physco bad cops in this video. I think the connection your drawing is very abstract in light of this and that can throw readers off.
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2012, 03:08:26 AM »
my  VERY LIMITED observation of LEO  i know personally and have encounted for various reasons


it that there  is  MORE  of an ''us against them'' mentality
us  being the police  and them  being EVERYONE ELSE


in the past there was ''us against them''  mentality  too
only  us meant ALL the good guys  against the bag  guys


as you can see   the present day  ''us against them''
LEO  puts  him in the frame of  mind of being greatly out number
basicaly LEO  now has the mentalty  of a cornered animal
he  is no longer  a respected  ''sheep dog''  rather just another ''wolf''


it  is up to the LEO  to choose his freinds
a  good LEO  will not let a bad LEO   hurt  those he has sworn to protect!!!!
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2012, 03:43:07 AM »
Cuts,,,
 
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I gave you Stats in Post #21...you ignored again as it does not support your Hero Cult premise.
..TM7

No you didn't. You only gave a small % of the equation. While making excuses to ignore the part that won't support your argument........as predicted.
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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2012, 04:52:31 AM »
what  % of LEOs  were involved in the cover up  on the OP???
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2012, 06:18:48 AM »
Oh! That's just Soooooo cute! Patting themselves on the back for discussing stats on a local event, but a complete unwillingness to look at the big picture.......Just Darling!  :-*

TM, nice try at using links to anti LE sites, gives your case a lot of cred....Uh huh. ::)
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2012, 06:55:21 AM »
 
I've been reading this thread with no intent on participating. I have had more unfavorable encounters with law enforcement than I have had favorable encounters. That problem could have been do to the hiring practices of the major metro area I used to work EMS in. My partner at the time was also a part time police officer in the same city. He told me that the city would routinely hire fine folks with extensive criminal records just to meet "racial quota" so that the city wouldn't wouldn't be harassed and sued. Some these "fine folks" would prevent me from getting to a patient because he was just a "drunk" when it was plain to me the person was in a diabetic crisis. They would agitate and tease psych patients and aggravate the situation  and then expect us to deal with the mess they made before we even arrived on scene. But if you hire a criminal I guess you shouldn't expect him to act in a non criminal fashion.
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.......but you ARE. If you are standing by idle, voting for that type of "representation", you are definately "part of the problem...

Who are we supposed to vote for? Because from where I sit it seems "D" and "R" are both hell bent on expanding the police state.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2012, 07:56:39 AM »
Bradford County PA is not a major metro area. Its pretty much in the boonies.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2012, 08:15:01 AM »
Excuse me Officer Cuts,,,but his link:
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http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-q1-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/
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is from the vaunted CATO Institute,,,,an extreme right wing conservative think tank and Foundation,,,and they are citing real data and stats from a national police misconduct study; and if that is not good enough for you nothing else will be....sheeeeezzz... ::)
 
 
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Uh huh! And it still doesn't answer the question posed does it?

Bottom line, you are not going to even try to check, are you? You are going to hide behind your claims you have no need to know. Which really means you don't want to know the truth because it wouldn't advance your need to be argumentitive.......we have a name for that.

Bottom line, acts of brutality by Law Enforcement are statistically far less than those committed by the general population.....but the media crows about them for the publicity value....and so do you, that was the sole reason for initiating this thread.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2012, 09:39:19 AM »
ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That doesn't answer CONVICTIONS!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone who ever resisted arrest has made the claim.......

Try looking at actual convictions..........PROVEN. LOL!!!! Anything else is supposition.

Ah well, it's been interesting....you may now have the final word you love so much. But you haven't educated yourself. You really ought to try looking at the stats I suggested, it will help you in the long run , even if you can't bring yourself to post it.

Enjoy.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2012, 09:55:52 PM »
ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That doesn't answer CONVICTIONS!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone who ever resisted arrest has made the claim.......

Try looking at actual convictions..........PROVEN. LOL!!!! Anything else is supposition.

Ah well, it's been interesting....you may now have the final word you love so much. But you haven't educated yourself. You really ought to try looking at the stats I suggested, it will help you in the long run , even if you can't bring yourself to post it.

Enjoy.
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Hey Cuts, As for myself, I'm not hear to CONDEMN the LE community as a whole. The fact is that we do need it. In answer to some of your responses to me, although I was groomed by my friends dad (my surrogate dad so to speak) from the time I was about ten years old to go into the field, By the time I was eighteen, I had already seen so much  wrong BS from being around him and his "crew" that I wanted nothing to do with LE. I chose to become a Navy goon instead.


I'd been on countless ride alongs, been privied to private cop parties at his house and the houses of his buddies. My Grandmothers old boyfriend was a neighborhood sheriff and he continued to chase her even after she was long married. Just by coincidence, this guy trained my friends dad.


At least a dozen guys with whom I went to high school became cops. And every single one of them was a either a football or wrestler jock and known bully and none of them all too bright either.


I owe a lot to Mr. Reaza. Because of him, I can read through peoples bullsh** like an Xray machine, I can bounce buckshot around corners and under cars, and from the hip like nothing.


Because of him the streets of LA didn't swallow me up like so many other friends of mine. Because of the pistol training he gave me when I was a young teen I am alive today. I owe him my life.


This man would have kicked the sh** out of those troopers when they got back to the station.


I've seen him commit acts of tenderness and kindness to a degree that would bring tears to your eyes and I've seen him do things to other people that were plain evil and cruel.


And not just him but his buddies also.


Because of him I have seen rooms filled to the ceiling with cocaine and guns (and this wasn't in the station) and I had to start to wonder.


I wont even go into my wifes cousin or a few of my old Navy buddies who later became cops.


Every one of these individuals very insecure and emotionally unstable with the worst tempers I've ever seen on a human  being.


Many many psychological extremes kept barely in check only with a strong conviction and the idea that the end justifies the means. The best of intentions, all of them. But you know the saying,"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".


When Mr. Reaza started working under cover is when things got really bad, both on the job and at home. Because i spent most of my free time at my friends house, I witnessed some pretty rough scenes.


And trust me, his partners were no less and even worse.


He and eleven of his buddies were eventually arraigned for for skimming millions in drug money and guns. Like always, it started with good intentions to purchase needed equipment for the then raging war on drugs, but as I said of "good intentions" earlier.


I never really gave much thought to why he had a boat , two '56 Corvettes, a Mercedes, numerous collectible works of art and a safe full of gold and silver bullion and automatic weapons.


He was smart enough to make his money untraceable where all the others did not. He walked away with a tax evasion charge and a million dollar fine paid off with one of many real estate withholdings.


I dropped out of my CJ program at PCC and enlisted in the Navy shortley after that. It was not just because of him but many other things going on in my life, friends going down the toilet, the rave scene growing and the drug scene getting bigger and bigger. I was done with it all and he told me at that time that it was a wise decision and that he and his "crew" were just a scratch on the surface.


It's funny, he would never lie to me about anything if I asked (but I seldom asked as he told me much of what I NEEDED to know), but man! he could lie through his teeth to manipulate a suspect.  and keep a straight face.


That was another thing he taught me was how to mess with peoples heads (sparking my interest in psychology).


Too late to make a long story short, I know. And there is so much more not just from him but from other sources (did I mention the exGFs new cop boyfriend...also an old acquaintance). So you see, I've lived through this crap and you cannot tell me that they are isolated cases.


Oh yeah, the seventeen year Alhambra LE vet who coached countless little league teams and wrestling of all things, a local PD cop that we all knew as kids...arrested on multiple counts of child pornography and related charges...convicetd! I can keep going.


And still, I do not condemn, but I say to you that their is a bigger more serious and WIDESPREAD problem than any BS statistics are illuminating.


Thank you for your service Cuts, there are many orcs, trolls, and goblins that need to be put in cages. Just wish our society put more emphasis on how to prevent the cultivation of such filth by putting the money to early childhood developement (my wife's major by the way) rather than military and LE.


I only spend the time to write this because your comments remind me alot of him but I do I try to focus on the good that he did for me. Please don't take it as a personal attack.


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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2012, 12:16:00 AM »
There are good cops with good sense and bad cops.
The problemm is the good cops are handcuffed by their own.
The thin blue line.
It will not change and Cuts has his mind made up and will defend in the face of everything logical and proveable.
POLICE DO NOT PROTECT--They just file reports. When they take DUI's off the street they protect and sometimes they must get physical---I do know that sometimes they just get physical when they do not have the need to.
It is when they do this they become as dangerous as the DUI's are----except, no one arrests them.
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Re: Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality
« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2012, 01:42:49 AM »
All and Some are wonderfully expansive words, useful making all kinds of points true & false.
in my 44+ plus years of dealing with any type LE , people who are drawn to this type of position are those that feel the need to
control others and need to feel superior to those around them. the protect and serve values are quickly replaced by personal exceptionalism. and no stats or  interview process will change that.
So all LEO's have a need to control others, and a need to feel superior. That is an outright lie.
That's not what Scibaer said, but to answer... no, not all, but many, with unpleasant consequence for those who don't show expected obeisance.
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