Author Topic: Who will ddrones target? Who will decide? (Read 1319 times)

blind ear · « **on:** May 22, 2012, 06:42:08 AM »

What dirrection are we moveing? Coorporations make drones, not the military.
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http://blog.al.com/wire/2012/05/who_will_drones_target_who_in.html

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #1 on:** May 22, 2012, 06:54:01 AM »

While a company makes the drone and will try to sell that product to who ever wants them. That is the nature of a company, take the product and see who cna use it and who they can sell it to for the most profit.
The problem we have is a government that wants these for their use. Why do we need to pay for more toys? So far we have given law enforcement everythng they not only needed but wanted. at what point do we tell them to use the tools they have befre we spend millions that most cities do not have do to mis managament?
I can see news agancies wanting the drones for news rather than having to pay crews to fly and man the cameras in a chopper. As private industry uses products it makes them cheaper for all.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #2 on:** May 22, 2012, 06:59:01 AM »

I would still like to know what the definitions and differences are between an RC model and a drone. It seems to me that this could be a real fuzzy line.
GuzziJohn

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** May 22, 2012, 07:38:25 AM »

ok what can a drone do a maned aircraft can't ? the 6000 acres next to me gets several over flights a year looking for pot plants if a drone could do the job at less cost is that a bad thing ? On the other hand flying over just fishing is not a good thing but don't maned planes do that now anyway ? Like wire taps there will need to be oversight and control if allowed . Then safety is a concern how will these things be controled in the air ?

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #4 on:** May 22, 2012, 01:05:01 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 22, 2012, 07:38:25 AM

ok what can a drone do a maned aircraft can't ? the 6000 acres next to me gets several over flights a year looking for pot plants if a drone could do the job at less cost is that a bad thing ? On the other hand flying over just fishing is not a good thing but don't maned planes do that now anyway ? Like wire taps there will need to be oversight and control if allowed . Then safety is a concern how will these things be controled in the air ?

Good point,
Have any of the drones been lost in combat due to a severed link with the ground pilots?

BBF · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2012, 07:01:11 AM »

The Iranians got one of yours down in one piece. A pretty good one as I recall.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2012, 07:58:45 AM »

Quote from: BBF on May 23, 2012, 07:01:11 AM

The Iranians got one of yours down in one piece. A pretty good one as I recall.

yea a self destruct mode would be nice

well at least we have one

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2012, 11:07:50 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 23, 2012, 07:58:45 AM

Quote from: BBF on May 23, 2012, 07:01:11 AM
The Iranians got one of yours down in one piece. A pretty good one as I recall.

yea a self destruct mode would be nice well at least we have one

So you want a drone flying around the US with a Bomb or thermite or both charge on it?
So it is flying over your house looses connection to the satalite and triggers the self destruct and your house is now on fire.
On military flights it may make sense but the added weight would restrict flight time.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2012, 12:32:25 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 23, 2012, 07:58:45 AM

Quote from: BBF on May 23, 2012, 07:01:11 AM
The Iranians got one of yours down in one piece. A pretty good one as I recall.

yea a self destruct mode would be nice well at least we have one

SHOOTALL. Now that aint very fair, I hear the canucks have their own system, it involves using the wind, a kite, and lots of string. POWDERMAN.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2012, 02:18:04 PM »

Quote from: powderman on May 23, 2012, 12:32:25 PM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 23, 2012, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: BBF on May 23, 2012, 07:01:11 AM
The Iranians got one of yours down in one piece. A pretty good one as I recall.

yea a self destruct mode would be nice well at least we have one

SHOOTALL. Now that aint very fair, I hear the canucks have their own system, it involves using the wind, a kite, and lots of string. POWDERMAN.

I thought that was the confederate air force?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2012, 07:03:08 AM »

Matt · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:30:18 PM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on May 22, 2012, 06:59:01 AM

I would still like to know what the definitions and differences are between an RC model and a drone. It seems to me that this could be a real fuzzy line.
GuzziJohn

Drones are autonomous, They have a computer and the ability to decide what they need to do in order to carry out a programmed objective. I am working on a quad rotor drone that is almost finished. when done it will be fully autonomous, solar powered and charged with WiFi and GSM mobile communications. It has a GPS module with real time feedback as well as a 600 TVL cctv camera. It has several other features that I copied from others and it is controlled from my Android phone or a computer.

An RC toy is nothing like a drone on the inside where it matters.

Matt

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:42:06 PM »

MATT. Looking forward to a progress report upon it's completion. What about expected flight time and range?? POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2012, 01:02:10 AM »

Matt does lic. enter the picture with regard to the two ?

guzzijohn · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2012, 02:48:37 AM »

Quote from Matt:
"Drones are autonomous, They have a computer and the ability to decide what they need to do in order to carry out a programmed objective. I am working on a quad rotor drone that is almost finished. when done it will be fully autonomous, solar powered and charged with WiFi and GSM mobile communications. It has a GPS module with real time feedback as well as a 600 TVL cctv camera. It has several other features that I copied from others and it is controlled from my Android phone or a computer. "

That helps and for the most part makes sense. Where I see the line blur is with the micro or nano planes. Also where some police departments have converted a regular R/C plane to a surveillance platform that has both audio and video capability but is still hand flown like a regular R/C.
GuzziJohn

Matt · « **Reply #15 on:** May 25, 2012, 02:29:36 PM »

Quote from: powderman on May 24, 2012, 02:42:06 PM

MATT. Looking forward to a progress report upon it's completion. What about expected flight time and range?? POWDERMAN.

If I can get the motors that I want then the flight time should be around one hour with a re-charge time of the same depending on the amount of sunlight. Range should be unlimited so long as it can land and recharge and I have cell service for the communications. Speed and duration will depend on the motors and battery of course.

The Arduino board that I have has been updated just a little bit (trashed the pic that was on it and replaced it with a Pic32 ) This gives me built in networking, easy GPS integration and has plenty of memory to run the httpd server that I will use for controlling it.

I still have to come up with the motors, props, ESC(electronic speed controller) and a few other items before it is complete. I found the plans on www.Instructables.com and then combined that with information from the PDF that I will link in this post. I found most of my parts on ebay and have spent a total of maybe 50 bucks so far. The frame was 18 and the auto piolit module was about 20 I think. I had all the other electroincs so no out of pocket on them. I figure the motors will cost almost $100 for the ones I want so it may be a while before I can finish it. The ESC's are not that bad for good ones and the props are dirt cheap so in the end I think I can do everything I want for under 200 bucks.

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 25, 2012, 01:02:10 AM

Matt does lic. enter the picture with regard to the two ?

Not that I know of around here.

One of my thoughts was to stream the main cam video live on GBO once it is up and working. Maybe have the members pick a location and then send it there and stream the video back as long as the locations has GSM cell service. I should be able to use the multicast server on GBO to stream the video without to much extra effort.

Anyone else playing with these things ? If so what design and control method are you using?

Matt

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2012, 01:47:47 AM »

Thanks , that would be interesting .

blind ear · « **Reply #17 on:** June 18, 2012, 10:28:55 AM »

Ron Paul:
http://bit.ly/MJb3mY

BCarp · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:10:57 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on June 19, 2012, 02:16:50 AM

Quote from: blind ear on June 18, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
Ron Paul:
http://bit.ly/MJb3mY
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As usual RP is right....The governmnet drones will be used by both factions of The Intervention Party to spy on you, violate your privacy, and basically be another tentacle of octogov strangling your constitutional rights to death. "Conservatives" remain silent.
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Conservatives are not silent. In fact, the drone issue has forged a combined lib/con backlash:

http://news.yahoo.com/talk-drones-patrolling-us-skies-spawns-anxiety-063727667--finance.html

BCarp · « **Reply #19 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:47:17 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on June 19, 2012, 04:23:42 AM

Hardly Bcarp,,,so a few are asking a few gentle questions. Overall it was a bipartisan action that passed the NDAA in the first place....as well as all the other Constituion shredding Bills. Where's the TP on this..??
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By silent I mean ...where's the outrage..!? Just RP..?
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I think we're still in the early stages of this story. The outrage will grow. As for the unorganized Tea Party, they're raison d'etre and prime motivation is fiscal matters (taxation, deficits, etc.), not "social" or other constitutional issues. People forget that....

blind ear · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2012, 06:05:13 AM »

I think we're still in the early stages of this story. The outrage will grow. As for the unorganized Tea Party, they're raison d'etre and prime motivation is fiscal matters (taxation, deficits, etc.), not "social" or other constitutional issues. People forget that....
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BCarp, good point and well worth remembering. With the civil/citizen component considered, constitutional basis gets much more personal. Whose freedoms are trampled by whose decision? Life, Liberty and the persuit of - - - .
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