Author Topic: Defective Remington 700 Rifles Pose Dangerous Risk to Consumers (Read 2876 times)

yooper77 · « **on:** March 25, 2012, 12:06:19 PM »

Has anyone here experienced any problems with their Remington 700's?

I don't own any Remington 700 rifles myself, but my late father in-law has left one behind. It started as a Remington ADL synthetic in 22-250 Remington and I bought new Remington BDL synthetic stock and bottom metal to convert it into a SPS. How can I tell if its trigger is safe, or should I just change it too be safe?

http://www.mmmpalaw.com/CM/Articles/Remington-700-Rifles-Pose-Dangerous-Risk-to-Consumers.asp

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39554936

yooper77

1marty · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2012, 01:24:28 PM »

I had owned 4 remington 700's through almost 40 years in varying calibers. Never had a mishap. Strange that the story came from NBC the most anti-gun of all the media. It is suspected people had adjusted the trigger on their own or had a gunsmith do it which caused the problems.

Swampman · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2012, 01:27:15 PM »

The story is over 30 years old and it's crap.

35Rem · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2012, 03:11:34 PM »

The early guns required the gun safety to be "off" to open the bolt and clear the chamber.
Ulitmately, the safety is between your ears.
As stated above, people would modify the trigger to the point it wasn't "bump safe". That means that the gun, ON safe could be jarred or bumped enough that it would disengage the sear. When you take the gun OFF safe, it would drop the firing pin = BANG!
Somehow that equals and "unsafe design".

Swampman · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2012, 03:15:07 PM »

The guns involved in the lawsuit were a rusty heap of junk. I've seen them.

yooper77 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:29:16 PM »

I doubted it from the start, but had to ask. I have shot my father in-law's Remington 700 in 22-250 Remington and it always performed as advertised without any malfunctions. I plan on leaving it as is thanks for the info.

I know what you mean, it scares me that people mess with triggers on firearms without the proper knowledge and training.

Thanks again,
yooper77

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2012, 12:40:57 AM »

ive shot 700s for 35 years. they allways been my favorite bolt guns. Ive owned over 20 of them during that time and have shot 10s of thousands of rounds through them and have never once had one not go bang when it was suppose to or go bang when it wasnt suppose to.

ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2012, 08:10:03 AM »

I have not been a Remington fan, but I am a fan of TRUTH.... so I have some info to offer. I have a grandson, recently a Marine Sgt armorer who studied more, and is now a gunsmith with a federal contractor.. working with weapons and all ammo up through the 20 mm gattling gun.. much like the "Sons of Guins" TV show. Lloyd has talked with him here on GBO ..
He admits that there is a very slight possibility with certain Remington actions for such an event..but even with those few, all were a case of somebody forgetting the cardinal rule.."never point a gun at anything you don't want to kill".
Now for the credits... he works with 700 actions with as much as 350,000 rounds through them (actual records kept) and they function as well as new.
I talked on the phone with him just yesterday and found that he thinks enough of them that he's buying one very soon and he is VERY safety conscious.
This he tells his Gramp, who is mainly a Savage/CZ fan..

Gunning4Me · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:59:24 AM »

I work on 700's on a daily basis, I have literally had 1,000s of 700's pass thru my hands. I have worked on old ones, new ones, LE and Military sniper rifle rifles. Every single rifle I have ever seen that claimed to have had a discharge had a bad trigger job or the trigger had never been cleaned or maintained. If you understand how the trigger works you will understand how dangerous it is to adjust the trigger if you do not the mechanics of the trigger.

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2012, 11:47:40 AM »

I simply adjust the weight. I don't mess with the other screws. How do you feel about that?

mechanic · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2012, 12:07:08 PM »

All guns are mechanical, subject to fail, and wielded by people who sometimes don't act with caution. Thus all guns are subject to fail and kill someone. The safety resides in the brain of the one using it. I've had my ears boxed more than once until I learned to control the muzzle...now its ingrained.

Ben

ironglow · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2012, 01:04:27 PM »

DITTO..Ben !

Gunning4Me · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:47:47 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on April 03, 2012, 11:47:40 AM

I simply adjust the weight. I don't mess with the other screws. How do you feel about that?

The weight adjustment screw is the only one you should mess with. When you start tinkering with the sear engagment and over travel you can quickly throw the trigger/connector out of "balance". all it takes is about a 1/4 turn and you can turn your safety arm into your trigger.

Gunning4Me · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:50:48 AM »

Quote from: mechanic on April 03, 2012, 12:07:08 PM

All guns are mechanical, subject to fail, and wielded by people who sometimes don't act with caution. Thus all guns are subject to fail and kill someone. The safety resides in the brain of the one using it. I've had my ears boxed more than once until I learned to control the muzzle...now its ingrained.

Ben

So true, unfortuantly so many ignorant people out there think guns are magical machines that never fail. The same person who never maintains his rifle outside of general cleaning is the same person who obsesses over the care and maintenance of their vehicle.

Tom47 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 05, 2012, 02:32:57 PM »

I currently have over 15 remington bolt action rifles 2 were built in 1968 and nock on wood have never had a miss fire. I am also extremly carful at what I am pointing any rifle at only at what I intend to shoot whether Remington, Winchester, Marlin etc. Any rifle could miss fire if it was modified by someone that does not have the knowledge to adjust a triger. I have a friend that adjusted the triger on a Winchester Modle 70 that when he closed the bolt in cold weather it miss fired and narrowly missed his brother in law.

msorenso · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2012, 04:20:00 PM »

I would have to agree I have 30 plus rem 700s from 17 rem to 375 RUM. Never have I had a problem. As for the tv show I learned in one case the trigger was modified, and the other rifle in poor working condition and another it was loaded and he simple accidently pullled the trigger but doesnt remember it.

ironglow · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2012, 04:39:08 PM »

NBC... Aren't they the ones who were caught rigging "exploding" gas tanks on GM trucks ?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2012, 01:21:39 AM »

any modern rifle with an ajustable trigger can be made to be unsafe if you start fooling with it and dont know what your doing. The shot at remington was nothing but a good stab by the anti gun people in this country. It costed remington millions of dollars fighting it and making changes. The antis won that battle and we let them. believe one thing us as the consumers will be the ones to pay for it. Remington will raise the price of a rifle. It may not be a drastic enough change that youll notice but slowly you will pay and dont think it only effects remington buyers. It made all the manufactures spend money researching there triggers and maybe designing new ones and also its like the car industry. One company raises prices and they all follow suit.

mechanic · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2012, 11:01:40 AM »

All those who manufacture firearms must be insured, and most likely their choices are limited to a few who will take the risk. When one of them is hit hard, it will raise rates for all, and ultimately cost us more at the retail counter.

Like everything else, the consumer pays all the bills, like it or not, or the company would go out of business.

Lawsuits cost everyone. False accusations that go unchallenged cost everyone.

Ben

Swampman · « **Reply #19 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:31:04 AM »

Just another load of misleading media bias.

charles p · « **Reply #20 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:17:34 AM »

After working on any trigger (unloaded rifle) I like to move the safety to the SAFE position, pull the trigger very hard, then move the safety to the FIRE position. If the trigger falls, the rifle is adjusted incorrectly. It is very easy to make any rifle unsafe, and nearly impossible to make a safe rifle fire. This is not a problem unique to Remington.

oneoldsap · « **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2012, 11:41:20 AM »

All guns pose danger when in the hands of stupid people ! MUZZLE CONTROL , will prevent all accidental shootings ! It's just that simple .

muznut 54 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2012, 01:51:32 PM »

Problems? Its just like the CVA's it depends on who you talk to.

Swampman · « **Reply #23 on:** May 29, 2012, 03:08:07 AM »

CVAs problems are very well documented. Sadly those problems still exist.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 29, 2012, 06:38:25 AM »

Recall years yes a few but not now.

Swampman · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2012, 08:50:41 AM »

Yes, the same problems still exist that existed years ago.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2012, 09:23:58 AM »

Just like the documented rem blow ups and the 700 triggers.

Swampman · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2012, 11:33:38 AM »

No not anything like that at all. One (Remington's issue)was defective people, and the other (CVAs issue) was defective product.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 29, 2012, 11:51:29 AM »

Not like that? Lets see documented problems by the U.S. Marines the Maine state police and oh yeah the original designer of the trigger! At least CVA did the right thing and had a recall and Remington let it slide for years while people got killed and wounded then made a fix years later without a recall for the older ones.

Swampman · « **Reply #29 on:** May 29, 2012, 12:47:23 PM »

No not really the problems still exist. The recall was fine but do your research.