926 yard handgun antelope kill (video)

[Lloyd Smale]

i guess then everytime a guy tells a hunting story here we should make it manditory that he tell about every shot hes made and all his misses so we can judge him too. If you have never missed an animal you havent hunted enough.

[Mikey]

OK, are we about done with this one?  A hunter makes a clean kill at nearly 1000 yds and rather than kudos and venison we get ethics.  Kiss my butt.  The only time ethics might come to play is when legality is involved and when legality is not involved the concept of 'ethics' in a hunt to kill and eat application simply does not come to play, imo. 
 
If a buck walks right under your tree stand and your shot is less than 10' with bow, handgun or rifle/shotgun, is it unethical?  What are ya, nuts?  Ask any 4 legged predator what 'ethical' is and it would probably tell you that it is anything edible and how it dies is irrelevant as long as it can be consumed. 
 
And who brought up the notion of 'ethics' and sniping?  Ethics might apply in business and professions, doubtfully in law but certainly not is sniping - hell, for that one you can ask the fbi's famous mother killer lon horiuchi; and, on the battlefield, anyone on the other side is a target, no ethics involved.  At least that's the way it used to be and that worked for us, or at least worked for me.  jmtcw.

[BUGEYE]

I think we have a MORAL obligation to insure that an animal is harvested humanely.
there are too many unseen variables in a 1000yd shot.  when's the last time you saw an experienced bench-rester shoot a one-hole group at a mere 100yds with his finely tuned target rifle?
shooting at 1000yds over an improvised rest in the field is asking for a wounded animal.
I saw a gutshot blacktail doe in oregon, it wasn't pretty.

[painted horse]

I'm absoulutly with Mikey. And, I've seen gut shot deer too, and it wasn't at no 1,000 yards, so distance wasn't the issue. Lloyd's right also, how many of you bad-mouthers never missed a shot. And I suppose you're gonna say all your "hits" were perfectlly placed??  "Humanly harvest a game animal," thats one of my favorites. Like theres any way to "humanly" blow the insides of an animals heart and lungs up with a projectile to kill it. I've seen the holes so proudly exibited when expounding the virtues of xyz bullet used to "humanly harvest" an animal. Some you could throw your hat through. Get over yourselves, he's a better shot than you are..give him his due. 

[Casull]

Well, if you can't understand what humanely harvesting is, then I can see why you don't get it.

[kinslayer1965]

i guess then everytime a guy tells a hunting story here we should make it manditory that he tell about every shot hes made and all his misses so we can judge him too. If you have never missed an animal you havent hunted enough.

I never said that his shot was anything other than amazing. I also still believe my questions were reasonable. I would have been just as impressed, if not more, by a picture of a target with a bunch of holes in it (preferably in a nice tight group) with "926 yards handgun" printed on it.
 
I have made poor shots and know the sickening feeling that comes with a wounded unrecoverable animal. That is why I approach my limitations from the cautions side these days.
 
 
 

[SHOOTALL]

Humane harvest often means for the critter the speaker is talking about . They have no guilt with poisoning other critters or taking long shots at critters not on their trophy list. If you truely respect life as some bill themselves as doing then they would respect all life equal and most don't. Here often deer are more trouble than ground hogs or rats and get eliminated as such.
 I would rather see an experinced shooter take a long shot over a guy who went to the box store picked up hunting STUFF and a gun and goes hunting with out guidence take most any shot. I have watch matches where shooters stood and shot targets at 500 meters . Some seldom missed if at all. With a field rest on a good day ( little wind) I would have nothing negative to say if they shot a 1000 yard buck. Or the guys with K.J. bean field rifles doing the same from the comfort of a shooting box .
 The guys who make long shots know their stuff , maybe those cutting them down either don't know their stuff or never could make the shot. OR NEVER TRIED .

[painted horse]

Well, if you can't understand what humanely harvesting is, then I can see why you don't get it.

I think you're right, I don't get it..to me the "humanly" killing of an animal is when it is sick or injured and suffering. I've had to do that with a few of my animals. Not going out to kill (harvest) a healthy wild animal. Thats called "hunting." But what I glean from the references of most "humane" killing of animals while hunting, is simply a time line. "Dead on the spot", (I guess thats humane) "shot through both shoulders so wouldn't have to track, finishing shot to the back of the head upon arrival" (humane? I guess the finishing shot would be) " bullet through both lungs, took out the heart, but still ran 50 yards." (dunno?) "Followed blood trail for 150yards found him next to the road in the ditch, lucky me, don't have to drag him to the truck." (yep, lucky,"humane"?)  So you tell me, whats a "humane" death time..

[Casull]

Shootall, what you seem to be missing is that shooting at static targets is one thing (they don't move).  Shooting at a game animal (and yes, I do place priorities on different animals - I'm not one of those peta people who believe that a rat is the same as a child) is different because it is NOT static.  It can, and does, move.  Even if the long range shooter can place all his shots in a ten inch circle at 1000 yards, it won't mean jack if the animal moves two or three feet from that position before the bullet gets there.  With a 1.5 second or so flight time on the bullet, a deer can move 40 or 50 feet quite easily before the bullet arrives.

[Casull]

I think you're right, I don't get it..to me the "humanly" killing of an animal is when it is sick or injured and suffering. I've had to do that with a few of my animals. Not going out to kill (harvest) a healthy wild animal. Thats called "hunting." But what I glean from the references of most "humane" killing of animals while hunting, is simply a time line. "Dead on the spot", (I guess thats humane) "shot through both shoulders so wouldn't have to track, finishing shot to the back of the head upon arrival" (humane? I guess the finishing shot would be) " bullet through both lungs, took out the heart, but still ran 50 yards." (dunno?) "Followed blood trail for 150yards found him next to the road in the ditch, lucky me, don't have to drag him to the truck." (yep, lucky,"humane"?)  So you tell me, whats a "humane" death time..

 
Well, you can feign ignorance if you want (I'm guessing that you really do understand the concept).  Here's a possible answer for you.  How about if we call it humane if the animal dies within seconds or minutes rather than hours or days (or weeks). 

[sixshot]

I haven't replied to this one in several days, & wish I hadn't commented at all, not that I agree with the shot but its been kicked back & forth long enough.
  In the past I've always said, "if its legal, what the problem" & I also mentioned "ethics" I wish I hadn' done that either because questioning someone else's ethics has no real answer.
  Said it before, the guy made a great shot....I'll leave it at that.
 
Dick

[SHOOTALL]

Anyone not willing to accept that some critters will be shot and get away should maybe not hunt. Do the best you can with the tools you have on the shot you have. In most cases things go right in a few they don't work out , its a fact .
 And with this time line BS bow hunting should be ended right .

[Casull]

 

And with this time line BS bow hunting should be ended right .

Not really.  At 30 yards, the arrow flight time is less than 1/4 what it was with this shot.

[Casull]

I guess I should clarify.  Of course not all variables can be accounted for.  Of course not every shot is perfect.  Of course accidents can, and do, happen.  But, at some point I think that you create a situation where the risk isn't worth the payoff.

[SHOOTALL]

I know of few swish drops with a bow ! the critter has to bleed out most of the time . And while the bullet is in the air not the critter there is no pain other than from recoil on the shooters shoulder and cheek 
Its killing plain and simple and trying to make it anything else is childish. IMHO !

[painted horse]

Its killing plain and simple and trying to make it anything else is childish. IMHO !

Yep..thats the point I was trying to make. Just didn't say it quite as well. I do get the concept, just don't agree it exists. I don't believe killing a healthy animal can be called "humane" no matter how it's done. I hope the OP is successful on his new venture. I also hope he has the fortitude to share that with us as well..

[SHOOTALL]

Killing is part of life . Things die so others can live. Some try to make it sound more respectable like clean and dress vs butcher . People always seem to change the words like Gay vs homosexual and others when the act it decribes nither changes or becomes easier to stomach. I know people who can't cut up meat much less kill and butcher I mean harvest , clean and dress a critter.

[BUGEYE]

okay, I'm one of those CHILDISH types that cares a little more about the animal.
it's not a paper target.

[Casull]

Yep, I'm with Bugeye on this.  I will kill, but I will not torture.  I just don't like to see things suffer needlessly.

[SHOOTALL]

Its not childish to care about the critter its childish to try to make killing look like something differen't than it is. Its good to limit suffering as much as possible but be ready for it when things don't work out well.

[BUGEYE]

let's see,  I get me a racecar and drive down the road at 60mph, I'll probably get to my destination.
if I drive 200mph, I probably won't get far and very well may cause someone undue suffering.
oh well, they're just people and I like to drive 200mph.

[SHOOTALL]

Key word is people !
also you break the law .
I don't equate humans to critters so your post has little if any meaning to me .

[Casull]

Its good to limit suffering as much as possible but be ready for it when things don't work out well.

 
Agreed.  That's why I won't do things that needlessly increase the chances of creating that suffering.  I like to go for high percentage (i.e. I won't take a "Texas heart shot" or try to lob in mortar type shots).

[BUGEYE]

Key word is people !
also you break the law .
I don't equate humans to critters so your post has little if any meaning to me .

Ha, I figured that would give you something to yell about.
this will be my last post on the subject.
I will act responsibly and you are free to act irresponsibly.
sure hope some hiker don't walk into that next shot.

[xphunter]

Robert,
Good shot. 
You did your homework and practiced at distance confirming your drops before you went to the field.
You also waited for the good conditions before shooting.

If you watch undisturbed animals behavior it is a safe bet you will know when they are going to move or not move when hunting at distance.
I have seen deer "jump the string" at short range and duck the arrow completely or make it to be a high shot, more than I have ever had a animal move on me when hunting at distance.
Some people will never want to hunt at distance, fine with me. 
Hunt the way you want as long as it is legal, you enjoy yourself, and you develop your skills in that discipline.

If you are confident you will make a lethal shot, then that is green light to pull the trigger.  If you have doubt, then don't shoot. 
This works for any type of weapon used for big game hunting at any distance.   Will things go wrong in the field?  Yes.

Slob hunters-those who just throw lead or arrows regardless of the hunter's or weapons skills can be found anywhere.
For those who I know, in LR hunting, they are very dedicated group of people who spend the time and money to become the best in thier skill as possible.

[SHOOTALL]

Key word is people !
also you break the law .
I don't equate humans to critters so your post has little if any meaning to me .

Ha, I figured that would give you something to yell about.
this will be my last post on the subject.
I will act responsibly and you are free to act irresponsibly.
sure hope some hiker don't walk into that next shot.

HA ?
killing is a personal thing , I'm good with my take on it why yell ? Well I might yell come and get it after its dressed and cooked ! 

[S.B.]

I think we have a MORAL obligation to insure that an animal is harvested humanely.
there are too many unseen variables in a 1000yd shot.  when's the last time you saw an experienced bench-rester shoot a one-hole group at a mere 100yds with his finely tuned target rifle?
shooting at 1000yds over an improvised rest in the field is asking for a wounded animal.
I saw a gutshot blacktail doe in oregon, it wasn't pretty.

Come on? Enough already!
Steve

[SHOOTALL]

I think we have a MORAL obligation to insure that an animal is harvested humanely.
there are too many unseen variables in a 1000yd shot.  when's the last time you saw an experienced bench-rester shoot a one-hole group at a mere 100yds with his finely tuned target rifle?
shooting at 1000yds over an improvised rest in the field is asking for a wounded animal.
I saw a gutshot blacktail doe in oregon, it wasn't pretty.

Come on? Enough already!
Steve

Really in the war on terror they are killing enemy at over 1000 yards . The equipment is super as are the shooters . Every year guns and optics and other equipment gets better but we are to hunt at the ranges our grandfather did WHY ? Hey I tote 6 rounds in my SA and hunt with dogs I know I'm low as low can get .

[KYODE]

it seems silly to me, especially backing up just to try to make it longer next time....just to say it is. extreme long range does not interest me. i do not live out west where you can see forever. if i did, maybe i would extend my ranges some, but probably not to that extent. a shot like this may not be all that more difficult than some shots at close range in cover, IF you are practiced up for either choice.
 
everyone has opinions. it doesn't make sense to not be able to disagree with a post or method.....like lock a thread or ban a member<wink wink ernie>. being polite and civil goes a long way. live n let live. it's a free country. you can't force yourself or ideas on others.
 
that long of distance is a great shot, plain n simple. i'm just not interested, and others surely have that right, unless it is taken away by a forum owner. nothing personal about it. just have fun however you want and enjoy your life. it will end before ya know it.
 

[xphunter]

A lot of people do not regularly shoot beyond 500 yards on a regular basis from field positions.
Maybe a good assumption would be, very few people do that.
There are a number of reasons for it: 
One, they live in an area where it is simply not possible, the weapon does not have the inherent accuracy to shoot good, and the one pulling the trigger may not have the ability to hit consistently.

Some people simply doubt that others can hit small targets consistently from field positions be it a SP or rifle at distances from 400-1200 yards.
I have watched people shoot a 2" group at 500 yards off a bi-pod with one of my SP's and still have a hard time that they did it.

One of the funniest things that happened to a friend of mine and myself a couple of summers ago when I was working on 2K+ pd's with a specialty pistol was a guy that worked for one of the methane companies was out in our area and heard what a couple of guys were attempting (Friday).  he came out to see if it was really true on Saturday late morning.  A front was coming and we had winds from the NW that had been picking up all morning, but my buddy said he didn't want to drive home with loaded rounds so were were still at it.  We showed him our set-up and directed him to where we were shooting.  My buddy had him set up on our spotting scope, and we found a dog beyond 2000 yards after confirming we were on the same dog, and I set-up to make a shot.  My shot was spot on for elevation, but my shot hit about 10-12 inches to the left of the dog.  We had already run out of windage with the turret and we were holding off for wind at this point. 
When the shot hit left of the dog, he hollered you almost hit him, that is not possible.  I replied, no I was about a foot to the left. 
Then he continued to argue with me telling me I almost hit him, while at the same time telling us what just happened was not possible. 
We asked him if he wanted to shoot.  No, he was not willing to do that.

This story sort of underscores something that I have witnessed a number of times for guys witnessing LR shots whether it be with rifles or SP's.
My emphasis then is, "This is something you can do too.  It is not magic or something only a few people can do."
The biggest hindrance to shooting at long range is the six inches in between your ears.

Kyode,
I think (my assumption) the thread you are referring to was not locked because of my post, but rather a waiting for me to post before it was locked.  They knew I was out of pocket.
If you ever get out my let me know and I will let you pop some steel as far as 2k, if you so desire with a SP.