Author Topic: all these high dollar guys better take a heads up on 1911s (Read 13623 times)

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #30 on:** June 07, 2011, 06:10:01 PM »

I am very pleased with my Kimber Custom Carry. I agree with the "Go ahead and buy the higher end version cause you will pay more to upgrade it later post." also. Thats the route I took. Know better next time. This pistol is more accurate than I am and has really confirmed me as a loyal 1911 follower. That is'nt to say that it is the only pistol that I will own, but for a P.D.F. it is the only pistol I see myself carrying.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #31 on:** June 07, 2011, 06:26:58 PM »

i have been shooting the same 1911 since i was 8 years old

my dad gave it to me when i was 16.......40 years ago

it is a remington 2 jambs with rusty ammo back in 1975

i have the paperwork from when my dad bought it for $17

other than that......I SHOOT REVOLVERS [and my dads colt woodsman]

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2011, 07:23:20 PM »

Back 50 years ago when Colt 1911 pistols were your only choice in new commercial 1911s. Those Colts are still with me. They have been wonderful firearms. I wonder if all these Colt clones will ever increase in value the way the old Colts have.

simplicity · « **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2011, 03:12:04 AM »

Thanx spence, if I were going to reccomend a xframe to anyone it probly would be in the 460 mine is a 500 I'm accually pushing to the 5k mark of rounds through it and only 200 of them have been light loads. If you get a 500 I hope you reload, or else it'll cost a arm leg and a sibling. I guess when it all comes down to it if I need a handgun to shoot tight I'm going with a revolver my 500 I can hold 1.5 inches at 100 off a bench and 3 inches off hand. It's a good shooter for sure. I've never really spent much time looking over hi-powers only cause I didn't have a niche or reason to get one. I can see if someoen was a full on matche shooter to spend the cash on the 2k plus 1911's but as the normal folk i still just see them as statis symbols. I guess like a diamond ring, it's exspensive and holds value but all it does is sit on a finger. All my life all I wanted was a M1A it was my white whale to get. I finally go one a loaded and it turned out to be one of the biggest POS's I ever owned. Also after looking at the internal machining of alot of springfeild armorys 1911's I rate them right there with the same quality as Taurus. But hey each there own.

Bigeasy · « **Reply #34 on:** June 08, 2011, 03:39:09 AM »

Lets see, do I want to head to the range in a Ford Pinto, listening to the AM radio, with a plastic Taurus in its case.....

Or should I take my Vette, listening to a Rolling Stones CD, with a couple Kimbers in the case on my heated leather front seat...??

Pride of ownership, and high standards of performance makes a difference to some people. Some guys are happy with warm Black Label, some like cold Heineken.

By the way, a new Kimber Custom Target is less then 1K, and is about as accurate, reliable, and well made a 1911 as you will find, at ALMOST any price.

Larry

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:04:45 AM »

Bigeasy ya hit it on the head !

fatercat · « **Reply #36 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:49:47 PM »

Larry thats my point, you to old and big to be getting in and out of a vette. get a ruger around 625.00 and do all a 2000.00 will do under 99.9% of what we use it for. i've got two colts and they shoot as good or better than those hi-buck guns. and i keep a wad of cash in my jeans. i guess when you get over 65 , if your like me, you just don't give a damn what other people think. it don't mean a tinkers damn to me what the next guy has or has not. just good value for your dollars. like a old grizz guide told me once " its good enough, for whos its for".

williamlayton · « **Reply #37 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:31:05 PM »

I keep hearing that from my friends concering the pony car. Your to old. Yoru have a hard time gettin in it.
When I get in it I am cofortable---and i love to drive---there is not a better car for a road trip that I know of.
I fix guns to meet my needs and wants--ya'll do it your way.
Blessings

ole 5 hole group · « **Reply #38 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:47:02 PM »

Quote from: simplicity on June 08, 2011, 03:12:04 AM

I guess when it all comes down to it if I need a handgun to shoot tight I'm going with a revolver my 500 I can hold 1.5 inches at 100 off a bench and 3 inches off hand. It's a good shooter for sure.

Are you saying your 500 Smith is shooting 5-shot groups consistently measuring 1.5 inches off the bench at 100 yards and you can shoot that bad boy off-hand at 100 yards and keep 5-consective shots within a 3 inch group on demand? Those groups are pretty good at 25 yards for that X-Frame.

simplicity · « **Reply #39 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:03:37 PM »

Yup pretty sure about that and I have a fair amount of witnesses to prove that. I have een acouple of the ten inch version of course they were scoped hole 2 inches at 200 off a bench.

Eugene · « **Reply #40 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:05:35 PM »

Quote from: Bigeasy on June 08, 2011, 03:39:09 AM

Lets see, do I want to head to the range in a Ford Pinto, listening to the AM radio, with a plastic Taurus in its case.....

Or should I take my Vette, listening to a Rolling Stones CD, with a couple Kimbers in the case on my heated leather front seat...??

Pride of ownership, and high standards of performance makes a difference to some people. Some guys are happy with warm Black Label, some like cold Heineken.

By the way, a new Kimber Custom Target is less then 1K, and is about as accurate, reliable, and well made a 1911 as you will find, at ALMOST any price.

Larry

Well said,

I own high end STI's because I like them, they shoot well, and pride in use at the range.

I drive a new Lexus 4x4 because it does what I want ti to do, keeps my family safe, I can afford it, and pride of ownership.

I my be considered a snob by some, but thtas thier problem, not mine, I still have rugers in the safe, but SVI and STI will always be top of the tree for me.

1911crazy · « **Reply #41 on:** June 09, 2011, 01:21:22 PM »

Gee guys i'm inchin up to almost spending $1,200 as my limit on a new 1911 now "maybe" when i'm ready for my next one. I'm frugal now too very frugal. I figure my price range is between $450 to $1,200. Now if i was only to buy one new 1911 i may go for the gusto and spend the big bucks for just one. But paying 2k would haunt me and i spent 1k for my new remington 700 with ammo and accessories back in '94 and it still haunts me i paid that much for that rifle. I'm not cheap i'm frugal.

William; I'll bet your norc is as good as my norc is reworked and they will kick some butt for sure. I paid only $300 for it and i put maybe around a $100 into tweeking it so far. My brand new auto ordnance army ww2 copy 1911a1 for just $389 is as good as my norc is but its only tighter because its new. My new '05 SA 1911a1 that i finally test fired $424 seems to be as reliable and dependable as my norc and AO are too with no jams, no FTF or stove pipes. I would go into battle or put my life on the line with any of my lower priced 1911's now. Relability is relability once there proven dependable its not going to fail or jam i trust them. I don't give it a thought they would break in a fire fight too. Once an auto has been reliable its as good as my revolvers are. I'm not saying the kimbers, the sti's or wilson combat 1911's are bad i may go for one someday. To each his own anyway.

Now if i was a pilot for nasa and flying in the ship that the lowest bidder built thats another story. Once the fuse is lit on the skyrocket boosters there's no turning back nor off switch. I'm just along for the ride. There riding and flying on the worlds biggest skyrocket that the lowest bidder built. To me thats as dangerous as getting into a tank of hungry sharks with bloddy fresh liver tied on me.

Price wise i'm almost up to the loaded springers right now, again maybe.

Savage · « **Reply #42 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:48:46 PM »

Crazy,
Buying a new 1911 every month, you'll run out of new $400 guns to buy soon. Why not skip a couple months, save the money, and pick up one in the $900 range. You can get a Springfield "Loaded" or a Kimber "Custom Target" in that price range. There are a lot of excellent 1911s out there priced well under $1200. I think you'll be happy with either one.
Savage

boatboy · « **Reply #43 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:52:59 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on June 07, 2011, 06:26:58 PM

i have been shooting the same 1911 since i was 8 years old

my dad gave it to me when i was 16.......40 years ago

it is a remington 2 jambs with rusty ammo back in 1975

i have the paperwork from when my dad bought it for $17

other than that......I SHOOT REVOLVERS [and my dads colt woodsman]

OK thats Cool, History and a tradition that $$$$$ cant buy
I hope my daughter will have stories like that I would be proud where ever I am

Thanks for sharing

Hank

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #44 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:21:00 PM »

Hey simplicity, here is a pic of my favorites. The others come out of the cabinet to go to the range, but these are my workhorses. .480/243, a coupla 44's, a 22lr/22mag, and that 10 mm delta elite of my brothers. You have already seen the Kimber, so thats a moot point to photograph.

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #45 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:35:06 PM »

Simplicity, here's the pic, guess it got posted twice

45-70.gov · « **Reply #46 on:** June 09, 2011, 07:11:33 PM »

Quote from: boatboy on June 09, 2011, 04:52:59 PM

Quote from: 45-70.gov on June 07, 2011, 06:26:58 PM
i have been shooting the same 1911 since i was 8 years old

my dad gave it to me when i was 16.......40 years ago

it is a remington 2 jambs with rusty ammo back in 1975

i have the paperwork from when my dad bought it for $17

other than that......I SHOOT REVOLVERS [and my dads colt woodsman]

OK thats Cool, History and a tradition that $$$$$ cant buy
I hope my daughter will have stories like that I would be proud where ever I am

Thanks for sharing

Hank

my son shot that gun with me today

i told him my dad let me shoot it 48 years ago

i saw his son [my 5 month grandson] on facebook
with a ruger LCP in his diaper........i am sure he will shoot this 1911 one day too

1911crazy · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2011, 04:41:00 PM »

Quote from: Savage on June 09, 2011, 04:48:46 PM

Crazy,
Buying a new 1911 every month, you'll run out of new $400 guns to buy soon. Why not skip a couple months, save the money, and pick up one in the $900 range. You can get a Springfield "Loaded" or a Kimber "Custom Target" in that price range. There are a lot of excellent 1911s out there priced well under $1200. I think you'll be happy with either one.
Savage

I been buying S&W revolvers too. My local dealer has the brand new S&W model 57 & model 58's "N" frames in 41mag for $699 when they list for around $1,200. Being frugal i can't pass up a bargain right? CZY

Savage · « **Reply #48 on:** June 11, 2011, 05:15:06 PM »

Being frugal i can't pass up a bargain right? CZY

Never pass on a bargain!!
Savage

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 11, 2011, 06:54:32 PM »

Just love the old Mdl 58s. One of the best all around Magnum holster guns.

simplicity · « **Reply #50 on:** June 12, 2011, 03:24:03 AM »

cool cool spencer I just added a 3" chamber judge to my collection to keep in the truck. I really like the delta elite, it was one of my condsiderations when I was going to get a 10mm but for the price and availibility of parts and mags I went with the glock 20. I get 2.5 inches out of it at 25yrds. Probly not as good as the delta elite but it cost half as much hold twice the rounds and two thirds the weight when fully loaded. If they were the same price yes I would have gotten the delta though.

Spencer, Carey · « **Reply #51 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:58:42 AM »

Really want to hunt with the Delta, but here in NC, the barel has to be a minimum of 6". Figure something out on that. The .480 is as large as I have right now, but I am told the Encore frame can handle it if I want to ream it out to .475 Linebaugh. Believe that I will if I can get confirmation on that. Im sure that your aware that they do make hi-cap 1911 style guns now. Have you looked at any of those? I know you may need more than 7+1 for competition, so perhaps one of those may appeal to you more. Just a thought. Exept for a three 22 semiauto's (BuckMark, MKII,High Standard HD Military), the rest of my pistols are Ruger single actions in all calibers exept .327, and .30 carbine. I dont get to shoot nearly as much as I used to, so I really envy your position on that! When I was younger, I had literally close to 1000 acres of adjoining properties I was free to roam because my family knew everyone. Over the years some of the older homesteaders died and the children sold the land to developers, and then children of my own came along and moves were neccessary. I never had the armament to use in those days so I guess thats the irony of it. Now i've got all these "toys" and hardly get to use them. Put some rounds downrange for me how about!!

1911crazy · « **Reply #52 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:59:12 AM »

Quote from: sidewinder319 on June 11, 2011, 06:54:32 PM

Just love the old Mdl 58s. One of the best all around Magnum holster guns.

I just shot my new S&W m58 in 41mag and love it. Even with the 4'' barrel the recoil wasn't that bad. She did have some bark(sound) to it and you can tell she is a magnum. Here's my two new S&W m58 & m57 in 41mag in nickel.

1911crazy · « **Reply #53 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:19:26 AM »

When I was younger, I had literally close to 1000 acres of adjoining properties I was free to roam because my family knew everyone. Over the years some of the older homesteaders died and the children sold the land to developers.

In VT were my camp is were losing more land every year to the developers. I'm seeing more and more new housing in what little flat lands they have. In VT the rule of thumb is if the land isn't posted you can hunt on it and no one bothers you. Now with all the out of staters buy up land and they own about 85% of the property in VT now i'm not sure if this still holds true. My land borders on two sides of the national forest and i'm the last place before they enter the national forest access road. But it also forks and its an old town loop that goes around the whole valley. I'm out in the middle of nowhere away from everyone. But with more and more out of staters buying up land i do see more property being posted no hunting/fishing. Its sad to see things change.

The rules hasn't changed much in many years i can hunt with any handgun or rifle but with the handgun i need a CCW permit from my home state to hunt with a handgun.

I just moved about 6 years ago from a small town because there building in any spot of land they can get there hands on now. Since there is no limit on the lot size there even building houses on less than a 1/4 acre. It was once a peaceful quiet place is now more looking like a south side getto more and more everyday. Its sad to watch it peak from an awesome area to raise my kids with the highest rated schools in the area to see it go down hill. I had to get out and move more into the rural and country setting. Now i'm hearing the roosters instead of the getto blasters which is much better. On the down side i'm thinking i didn't go far enough north too. The builders have followed me. They have started buying up the small family owned farms and dividing them up into 1 1/2 acre minimum and building houses now. I figure in maybe 10+ to 20 years my new place will look like the town i moved from. As the population is growing more and more each year and the small farms being sold and divided up for new housing the land is disappearing more and more now. The wild animals also have no where to go too. CZY

gunnut69 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 14, 2011, 09:47:12 PM »

I likely should stay outa this but I just can't resist. The 1911 is well liked simply because it will reliably apply bullets of great power to a threat from a reliable and ahndy controlable pistol.. I've worked on a bunch of 1911's over the years but other than adding a custom touch for someone I've not had to replace anything is a 'high priced' piece. I've built many 1911s and still have a bunch but for serious social work I relie on my partners Kimber. An Ultra CDP II it doesn't jam and shoots better than I can hold it. It's easy to carry (Allesie(sp.) IWB) and it'll shoot hydroshacks. My partner owned 50 pistols and I worked on most. He couldn't find what he wanted. The Kimber was his last and when his heart gave out I bought it from his widow. I asked why the alloy frame once and his reply was because it's lighter. He could handle the extra recoil and it was more comfortable to carry.. I prefer big frame revolvers fo most things but for social work the 1911 is better. I carry plastic but it feels cheap and cold. Steel and walnut and a 45 caliber hole in the barrel..makes me feel better about the darkness.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #55 on:** June 15, 2011, 04:05:16 AM »

i had some old surplus rounds back in 1974

had 2 jambs back then

the only 2 i know of
my dad paid 17$ in 1962

i was shooting it a week ago
due to a hand injury when i was 21.....i do have trouble with the grip safety
must use a 2 hand hold

i am also left handed....i will not modify with an ampitexterous safety
for a few years after the accident i just shot right handed

mrussel · « **Reply #56 on:** June 16, 2011, 08:09:50 PM »

Quote from: fatercat on June 05, 2011, 12:47:09 PM

all these " la tee dah" kimber, colt, and the others charging up to and over $2000.00 for a 1911 days are numbred. who in the hell would pay that kind of money for any kind of a hand gun is way past me. Ruger and remington are going to put these guy in need of a bail out. just as well for most of us.

Remington is not going to be putting Wilson Combat out of business any time soon. Ive looked at the Remingtons and the first one I saw was inferior to the RIA 1911s. It had casting marks in the frame and the mim parts had injection molding marks on them and appeared to be very poor quality. The action seemed "gritty". I looked at one at a gun show and it was much better but still not impressive. Ive never fired a Wilson Combat,but Ive held one and the quality is readily evident. The fit and finish are absolutely perfect,which is what I would expect for that price. Wilson Combat 1911s are in a whole different category. I do disagree with the 1911 snobs that go on about how you have to have a 3000 dollar pistol or you might as well just carry a heavy stick. The fact is,there are plenty of sub 1000 dollar and even sub 500 dollar guns that are perfectly good,if your not in a shooting competition.
That brings us to Ruger. Ruger makes a damn fine gun in my opinion. I love my Super Blackhawk. I expect that the Ruger 1911,like most Rugers will be solidly built for a reasonable price. Still,it wont have that custom fit and finish that commands thousands of dollars. Those companies Im sure are not worried. Remington is actually the company that should worry. Their product is unimpressive and there are others that are similar in price but better. Id buy a Springfield Armory rather than a Remington any day,and the prices are not that far apart either. Im very interested in the Ruger because I like their products,but the fact is,1911s in that price range,decent ones at that,are NOT a new thing. I expect Ruger to be damn good and a little cheaper than their competition and in fact,if they turn out to be like I expect,I plan on buying one,but I dont expect them to put any of the real players in the 1911 field out of buisiness. Both the high end guns like Wilson Combats and the mid and lower end ones like Kimbers and Springfield Armories will do just fine. The mid to low end though now has a little more competition.

Avyctes · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2011, 07:25:22 AM »

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What am i missing, what makes the .45 acp and the "1911" styled handguns command such a following anyhow?

You need to get one and own one to understand. A lot of people have wondered allowed to me 'what's all the fuss about?'. I let them shoot my Springfield, and a big smile swipes across their face - they finally 'get it'. Then they get the bug to get their own. Seen it quite a few times.

Now Gents, we will always have our own opinions of 'out o' the box' versus 'custom', and $400 Norinco versus $3000 Nighthawk. One thing I can say with certainty that I hope we can all agree on is that 1911s are a thing of wonder that I thank God that John Moses Browning was inspired to create. They are battle proven, they feel utterly natural to hold, they are superbly balanced, their weight and heft is about perfect, and they are to me one of the most interesting firearms in the world and utterly funner than crap to shoot.

From an historical standpoint I can't get enough of reading about them. I've read and reread many times of the early pistols, of the problems Browning surmounted, of the Army trials, etc. I love perusing photos of the many many iterations of 1911s from the early WW1 variety to the present day custom units that would cause Browning, were he alive today, to raise his eyebrows. I love how customizable they are, and that everyone can tweek one to his/her own tastes from grips to sights to whatever. You want a extended mag release - no problem. You want skulls on your grips - buy 'em. You aren't satisfied with the way it groups - there are many options to dial in your 1911. Yeah, some group better than others. I think you do actually get what you pay for sometimes. That don't mean you can't buy a cheap reliable shooter - but don't expect it to group like a Les Baer.

But to answer that question - what's all the fuss about - get immersed into the world of 1911s, get one, shoot it, have fun with it. Then you won't be asking 'Why a 1911' but rather - What's my next one going to be?

Me - I own a Stainless Springfield improved Mil-spec, and a Colt WW2 model, and presently pondering on getting a Chiappa 1911-22.

LunaticFringeInc · « **Reply #58 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:29:50 AM »

couldn't have explained it any better.

I wasn't always a 1911 Commando. I carried several different guns on my wonder woman belt over the years and the only one I carry now is a Colt Series 70 1911 in 45 ACP. One day while at the range getting my annual qual done, I borrowed the range instructors 1911 and shot an extra round. It felt so much better in my hand than one of the wonder 9's, and my score was considerably higher, by the end of the week I had gone out and got me one too! The more I use it the more convinced I am that its the perfect personal defense gun.

j two dogs · « **Reply #59 on:** June 19, 2011, 03:36:18 AM »

I agree somewhat, there is the law of diminishing returns. There are companies out there charging way more then what there product is worth! Simply because of name recognition and the market will bare it. I do not like paying more then a grand for a all steel pistol to find out the mainspring housing is plastic, that pisses me off, come on.
That being said there are companies out there, that do to thier size or lack of advertising that are what some would consider "2nd" and are therefore working harder to be #1, there offerings are more represenative of what a $1000 dollare pistol is worth.
Then you have the people that are going to spend $3000 for say a Brown .45, well it is there money, they can spend it as they see fit.
So I think there is room for both the 4-500 dollar pistol as well the 1000-1300 dollar pistol. Are the more expensive ones going to shoot that much better, probably not, at least not any better then the shooter can shoot it anyway. When the adrenalin starts pumping, basically I want one that goes bang everytime, but in the mean time, I do like looking at classic lines, excellent finishes without toolmarks, and the way a well crafted 1911 feels in the hand.