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Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« on: February 05, 2011, 05:51:39 AM »
    After reading Frank de Haas 1969 book on Single Shot Rifles and Actions and many , many hours of drawings, making cutouts from cardboard, pinning them on a flat piece of foam to simulate there movements ect.  I have come up with a design of a simple swinging block single shot rifle that I am going to build.
   The design I have come up with is similar to many of the early rimfire reifles of the 1890 to 1930's period.  Right now my plan is to build it in 38 Special, centerfire and see how well it funtions and holds up with that level of pressure.
  Everything I do is on a very limited budget as I have way more time than money and it just feels better doing it as keeping the costs down justifies the end result.
  My plan is to make the receiver in 2 halves, then after milling the needed recess pockets for all internal parts the halves will be bolted and pinned together.  There will be a thru bolt for the breech block, hammer, trigger and there will be about 5 # 6 steel taper pins thru both halves.
  The barrel will not be threaded into the receiver, it will be fastened to the frame by several design features I have come up with that should be strong enough for the purpose.
  The barrel blank I have to use is 1.00 dia. and the bottom half of the area that will contact the receiver will be similar to a half of a hexagon shape, a flat on the bottom and sides 60 degrees on up to the centerline, top half will be round.
  There will be 2 shoulders about 1/2" wide that will match cuts in the 2 receiver halves to keep the barrel from moving either forwards or backwards.  There will be 2 8 X 40 screws that will clamp the barrel breech end to the frame in front of the shoulders and there will be a key that will be dovetailed into the bottom of the barrel that will be secured by a bolt from thru the bottom of the frame.
  The material I have for the receiver is 304 stainless flat stock 5/8 thick X 2" wide so the receiver will be 1.250 thick when assembled. 
  I was thinking of Tig welding the 2 halves together but after much thought , I would not be able to remove some of the parts inside if the receiver were to be 1 piece.
  All of the swinging block designs that I have studied do not have any support at the rear end of the breech block when the action is closed.  The design that I have come up with makes it possible for me to have square shoulder cuts at the rear of the breech block that would be impossible to machine into the frame if it was made from a single piece of steel instead of the 2 halves of my design.
  I suspect this will take me some time to complete because you always run into problems that were not considered in the planning stage.  I am still gathering materials but I was able to get a good barrel blank from Green Mountain for $ 30 plus shipping, the piece of 304 stainless from E bay $ 20 (enough for several guns ) and tool steel , 4140, A 2, drill rod ect from a friend still in the tool & die buisiness for free and I have plenty of wood to make the stocks from from past projects.
  As the title of the post asked if anyone has made something like this or has any tips or criticisms of my plans I would like to hear from you.
  I thought I would get into this on a entry level project and if this is  a sucess, I may try a falling block design that I have already considered but is a much more advanced design than this is.
  So anyone else have similar ideas,  sucess or failures ??? I would like to hear about them.
     Jed  ;D


Here is a few of the parts I have so far.
Current handi family, 24 ga./ 58 cal ,50-70,  45 smokeless MZ, 44 belted bodeen, 44 mag,.375 H&R (wildcat),375 Win.,357 max, .340 MF ( wildcat ), 8 mm Lebel, 8x57, .303 British, 270 x 57 R,(wildcat) 256 Win Mag, 2 x 243 Win,2 x 223 Rem. 7-30 Waters &20ga.,

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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 07:23:47 AM »
We'll definately want lots of pictures!  Good luck on the project.
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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 08:40:59 PM »
There have been a couple of guys working on such rifles but used a slightly different technique. The receiver was made I believe in layers.. There was even a gentleman selling a video of such a project rifle.. Photoes would be very good, the more the merrier...!
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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 04:50:57 PM »
You might check DIY home gunsmithing. (Don't know their specific address), but people from all over the globe are making all kinds of interesting stuff. Lots of pictures. Some are sheet metal, others are milled and welded. But check their "Hall of Fame". Makes you feel like a kid in a candy store. You might get an idea or two so keep us posted.

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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 07:21:37 PM »
I just noticed also the statement that most swinging block rifles have no support for the rear of the block. That's no true as most have an undercut where the hammer pivots beneath the block locking it in the closed position. It still puts the stress completely on the block/hammer pins. It would be possible to support the block on the sides while allowing hammer access to fired the cartridge and lock the block closed.. This would add support to the block pivot pin.  Hope the project is going well.
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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 09:22:25 AM »
  Many things have changed in the design since I posted this idea, The swinging block design that I was going to use did have the shoulder of the hammer that would support the breech block at firing much like a rolling block design but also had shoulders on each side of the firing pin that contacted the frame for support.  I have now desided that I cannot get enough space to breech a 1.6" long cartridge ( 38 spl. ) with the hammer at half cock ( safe ) position.  A lot of the early designs required you to have the hammer at full cock to drop the block and load a cartridge.
  To me this isnt good, I dont like the idea of having to hold the hammer back, pull the trigger then let the hammer down to half cock.  With the 2" barstock I am working with you would need to much drop in the action for it to work.
  Right now I am still gathering materials and working on other ideas, I beleive I now will go to a falling block design, I am looking to stay away from any flat springs like the older guns used I intend to use all coil springs and maybe a hammer spring similar to the later built 1885 Winchesters sort of like whats on a old fashioned " clothes pin ".
  As soon as I have somthing to post a picture of I will,  I knew this project was going to take a few turns but I will get it at some point,     Thanks for your interest,     Jed   ;D
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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 08:54:55 PM »
That was commonly called a mouse trap spring and is a very effect design. The flex rate is tiny compared to a leave. They are commonly a bit hard to assemble as they are tensioned at rest..where pin holes must be aligned under the spring force... It should also make attachment of the butt stock a lot easier. A thru bolt is obviously the best way to accomplish that.
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Re: Anyone , Make there own design single shot rifle ?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 02:48:59 AM »
   Here is a pic of the receiver roughed out from 2 pieces of 304 Stainless .  The machine I have for milling and drilling is a small " multi purpose machine " and cannot handle more than very light cuts with a endmill of 3/8 or 1/2 dia.
   I ended up cutting the two halves out with a hacksaw pinning the two halves together and squared them up with a end mill and a file.  I found out after the thousands of strokes it took with a hacksaw to cut these pieces out my old body isn't what it once was , I had to take a couple days off for my shoulders to work again.
  I was at a gunshow this past weekend looking for possible hammers  / triggers that might be usable for this project but no luck looks like I will have to make them along with the finger lever / trigger guard pieces.  I foresee a lot more time with the hacksaw and files.  :-\  Jed
Current handi family, 24 ga./ 58 cal ,50-70,  45 smokeless MZ, 44 belted bodeen, 44 mag,.375 H&R (wildcat),375 Win.,357 max, .340 MF ( wildcat ), 8 mm Lebel, 8x57, .303 British, 270 x 57 R,(wildcat) 256 Win Mag, 2 x 243 Win,2 x 223 Rem. 7-30 Waters &20ga.,