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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2010, 03:18:13 PM »
Ironglow, like the Geico commercial asks, "Is Too Tall, too tall?"  :o 

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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2010, 03:30:28 PM »
jager;
  please explain your cryptic question, so I can answer.
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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2010, 03:38:35 PM »
I really believe that obama grew up hating the America he was told was wrong and kept him and his people from achieving what they were capable of achieving because the rich and powerful had all the pie and would not share. He is a product of his environment. People around him taught him that This country was wrong, racially prejudiced, evil, and arrogant. Just like I taught my children that this was a great place to be, and offered anything you wanted to work for.He was taught that you had to take what you wanted cause the rich owed it to you, he was taught by his college professors the "Saul Alinsky" way of achieving your goals. Also by his friends the radicals.

He actually thinks that whatever he is doing will make it better for his constituents. Sadly he has missed the boat, cause with the following he had he could have done great things and achieved a place in history. What I think he will achieve is a place in infamy!   
Are you saying that this country was never racially prejudiced? Or are you saying that it was and that is a good thing which we should go back to?

Since Libs like to throw in race every time BHO is brought up, of course we had racism & to some extent still do, but the radical racist of this time are among the Blacks, anyone in a predominate black area knows this & BHO is a racist, a racist that whites voted for. thanks for bringing it up.
Oldshooter brought up race. Are you calling him a lib?

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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2010, 03:42:02 PM »
 ..Or are they just stupid ? Why else would they treat our country this way ?

  http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/obama-surrenders-gulf-oil-to-moscow/
I'm not sure what you want here. The only way to get CUBAN OIL is to kiss Cuban ass. Why would you want America to do that?

By the way, I cannot find where Obama spoke or wrote actual words that said to stop oil drilling by 2012. Where did you read this?

Finally, if oil drilling was so popular, why aren't leading Reps in the headlines today pushing for it? I have not heard much on this issue in the last year. I suspect that fewer people care about it since then. Since Reps are no longer pushing to drill in Alaska, do they too hate America?

    Wreckhog,
   I suspect you are intentionally pretending you are in a closet somewhere and unaware of the progressive agenda. Otherwise you should have ended your statement with a big, hearty...DUH ! There is no question the progressives want to hurt & damage the US..just look at their track record. It is they who put offshore drilling off limits, and Obama who boasted his Chicago gang would "break the coal industry".
  Just look; it is always the hate America progressives who want to cripple our industries, tax our corporations to death..then go and bow lowly to every foreign, two bit dictator they can find.
   Now..Wreckhog plays dumb and says we should not want to pay Cuba for oil..DUH...We could be drilling and pumping from the same reserves by drilling offshore from Florida. Instead, the progressives do all they can to keep us from energy independence...and keep buying oil at exorbitant rates from our enemies in OPEC
  Then he goes on to compound his sojourn into obliviousness by saying he hasn't heard much about drilling over the last year...well..DUH,DUH,DUH and a fourth DUH ! :P :P :-* You don't suppose it may have something to do with half the congress trying to stave off Comminist  takeover of medicine, do you ?  The intelligent members of Congress since they are so outnumbered, have been busy fighting off one Socialist/Marxist power play from a bunch of control freaks called "progressives", ever since that misfit from Chicago took office.
    How did such a misfit take office ?  Well, other cretan misfits lined up like lemmings with damaged chromosones :P ..to cast their uninformed vote for him and his kind of Chicago gangsterism.

  BTW: Only TM could tie this thread to religion... :D
    
Since we can drill Cuban oil from Florida, why can't we just do it from Texas? Why can't we just do it from Disneyworld? I think that you are making this stuff up as you go aloing/.

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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2010, 04:40:19 PM »
They see America as a 5 year old child with a $20 bill.
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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2010, 04:57:02 PM »
I just gotta get that book by Glen Beck "Arguing with Idiots" ! It would prove invaluable here!  ;D
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2010, 05:39:49 PM »
 HISTORY LESSON:             Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter. The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the  invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundations of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals, and
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor the aluminum can had been invented yet, so while our early ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be  invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed .

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to be B-B-Q'd at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is now known as the Conservative movement. Other men who were weaker and less skilled at  hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided .

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant.

Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added ), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men.

Most social workers, personal injury lawyers, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who  works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get something for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history:
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A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off. And there you have it. Let your next action reveal your true self.
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2010, 05:40:34 PM »
I really believe that obama grew up hating the America he was told was wrong and kept him and his people from achieving what they were capable of achieving because the rich and powerful had all the pie and would not share. He is a product of his environment. People around him taught him that This country was wrong, racially prejudiced, evil, and arrogant. Just like I taught my children that this was a great place to be, and offered anything you wanted to work for.He was taught that you had to take what you wanted cause the rich owed it to you, he was taught by his college professors the "Saul Alinsky" way of achieving your goals. Also by his friends the radicals.

He actually thinks that whatever he is doing will make it better for his constituents. Sadly he has missed the boat, cause with the following he had he could have done great things and achieved a place in history. What I think he will achieve is a place in infamy!   
Are you saying that this country was never racially prejudiced? Or are you saying that it was and that is a good thing which we should go back to?

Since Libs like to throw in race every time BHO is brought up, of course we had racism & to some extent still do, but the radical racist of this time are among the Blacks, anyone in a predominate black area knows this & BHO is a racist, a racist that whites voted for. thanks for bringing it up.
Oldshooter brought up race. Are you calling him a lib?

Oldshooter mentioned race in regards to BHO's background, his indoctrination of this matter by his Black Communist mentor is a matter of record, even BHO mentioned that. Oldshooter mentioned it as fact & moved on. You however,asked a open ended question with an indication that some would like to revert to times of old & yes, that was done in LIB fashion & going back to the old LIB notion that it's all whities fault. Sorry you did not get that, which should have been obvious to anyone.
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2010, 05:41:38 PM »
Saddlebum, you got it!! ;D
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2010, 08:42:31 PM »
Saddlebum, I have never fully understood human history until I read your post.
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2010, 03:50:26 AM »
Saddlebum, your history lesson works for me.  It definitely belongs in every school curriculum.
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2010, 04:12:33 AM »
Wreckhog;
  You sound like someone who recently escaped from somewhere and has been kept incommunicado for the whole duration  :D. Get a grip, you really MUST catch up with modern technology; Oil drillers need not to drill straight down anymore. besides, if the liberal, socialist/communist forces in this country had not shut down the most promising fields both on and offshore, we could be using our own resources..hiring our own people and not having to bow, suck & scrape to a bunch of OPEC pigs.
  Sure, totally clean engine operation is great, but we're not there yet ! Better we should hire our own people to develop it and have our own people drilling for our own resources until clean technology does arrive. Better our people get our money, than the Arab states !
  
     ...And BTW:... quit beating upon that old, dead "RACE" horse..that horse is DEAD and can't run anymore !
  
  Of course, most of us understand your frustration, but you must not betray yourself so openly...When a liberal finds himself losing a debate, he starts shouting "racist"..it happens almost every time... :D ;D ;D
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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2010, 06:08:34 AM »
Yep, only the Republican party really cares about America.  That's why three Republican presidents added 9 trillion dollars to the US national debt. 

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2010, 06:11:58 AM »
Thats small tators next to what obamma is gonna do in 4 years!
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2010, 06:27:42 AM »
Yep, only the Republican party really cares about America.  That's why three Republican presidents added 9 trillion dollars to the US national debt. 

One thing some people can't quiet see is that they are to the Left and Right of THE SAME LINE!

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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2010, 06:38:13 AM »
I can't take credit for the history lesson, don't think I would want it. It's just a humorous email I recieved a while back. I don't drink beer,(anymore), but have not yet and never will evolve into a "girlie man" either. Just shooting for a laugh. Sometimes they are hard to come by these days. I know the real history of the world and it's future and thats where I find my peace and joy. The Bible tells me everything I need to know. The "history lesson" is kinda funny and may even have a little truth in it, in a humorous kinda way.
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« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2010, 06:39:21 AM »
They absolutley hate America, and everything she stands for, or at least used to stand for.
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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2010, 07:52:10 AM »
Alsaqr;
  You say "only the Republican party really cares for America" ...glad you said that because I wouldn't.. they add to the debt also. Of course Oldshooter had a point, even though the Republicans of late have been spenders, they have many miles to go  if they are to be in the same league with the Democrats.

  Heather;
   Even though the parties are just the right and left of the "same line", still that line is wide and deep when we consider a few things such as illegal immigration, the killing of nearly 50,000,000 little boys & girls, welfare reform (or lack thereof), huge support for ACORN & ACLU, continuous support for perverts, trashing the constitution, trashing Christians and being out to take our guns away.
    Yes, we are dealing with a couple of corrupt institutions, but one is like a petty shoplifter, while the other is l;ike Joseph Stalin vs the millions he murdered.

  Two parties just the same ? Not really...judging by the vote being taken today !!!!!
  
    WHICH PARTY IS TRYING TO PRESERVE OUR CONSTITUTION, PREVENT OUR ENSLAVEMENT BY GOVERNMENT....AND TRULY REPRESENTING REAL WISHES of THE VAST BULK OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

   WHICH PARTY IS EVEN LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE  ???

   I am neither Democrat or Republican, and don't want to join either, but it is not at all difficult to see that though neither party is "right on", at least the Republicans have some respect for the people and are not close buddies of the "Hate America" or Communist/Marxist crowd...

  BTW; If you have a better way of govt than the old right & left of the line, please share.....
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2010, 08:24:55 AM »
Any person who is willing to trample our Constitution hates America.  Reps with the patriot act, bailouts, Dems with more bailouts and now this Socialist HC bill.  The collective Government over the  last few decades have been slowly chipping away at the constitution no matter their political affiliation.  Anyone who is capable of destroying the greatest document ever written by man Hates America imho!

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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2010, 08:27:25 AM »
 BTW; If you have a better way of govt than the old right & left of the line, please share.....

THE FOUNDING FATHERS OUTLINED THE BEST WAY TO GOVERN!  THEY WARNED OF GETTING STUCK WITH TWO PARTIES.  THEY HAD MANY 'DIFFERENT PARTIES' AND STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF IT STAYING THAT WAY!  WE DIDN'T LISTEN AND ARE STUCK IN THIS MINDSET EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS!!!

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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2010, 08:55:54 AM »
Ditto ironglow; Ditto Heather;    If there was a party that stood on what the founding fathers started without compromise I would join it. Unfortunetly there isn't. The Rs come closer than the Ds but it's not enough. I would have changed my affiliation from R to I but I didn't so I could vote in the primarys since there is a better chance of finding a canidate I like with the Rs. Guess in a way I could be called a RINO. But not because I lean left, but because I lean right.  Very confusing,  think I'll go take a nap.
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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2010, 10:02:31 AM »
   I'm sorry for my attempt at humor, Ironglow :-[.  You asked the question if the "Progressives" hate America and I was referring to what I thought was an amusing ad by the Geico insurance company showing a nurse trying to measure "Too Tall Jones", of whom she couldn't. It's kind of like the question of whether a bear "craps in the woods?"  The answer is "Yes, Yes, and Yes", progressives hate America and want to see it "humbled" before the UN and the third world countries that hate us.
   Look at the shape Social Security is in now and see the future of Universal Health Care. Heather nailed it on the Constitution and Saddlebum states the problem of "party politics".  It has "openly" come to pass that our "elected" leaders no longer represent us, but represent their need for absolute power.
   Sifting through the "Chaff" to find a candidate who has not been "bought" or hasn't "sold their soul" is a difficult task for a voter. While you might find one that will meet 5 of your 6 electable requirements, would you pitch them out if that 1 requirement becomes more dear to you than the other 5? Many candidate talk reverently about the Constitution, but secretly violate it in every session when their constituents aren't watching.
   I think America is slowly waking up from a deep sleep of "apathy" on the "eve of destruction" that will start with the implosion of our economy. However, God is still in control, as Al Gore should finally confess ;D.

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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2010, 10:15:41 AM »
  Heather;
      You have some very good, salient points in your post# 49..It should be America and it's Constitution before any party.
  Meanwhile, here is how America, it's Constitution and the people are respected by some in congress:

   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHTJSu_2Lk    A stinking shame, isn't it !
 
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2010, 12:18:23 PM »
Yes he does and they do... That is why they are destroying it.
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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2010, 12:27:00 PM »
Yes he does and they do... That is why they are destroying it.

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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2010, 12:37:06 PM »
YES!
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2010, 03:06:00 PM »
Any person who is willing to trample our Constitution hates America.  Reps with the patriot act, bailouts, Dems with more bailouts and now this Socialist HC bill.  The collective Government over the  last few decades have been slowly chipping away at the constitution no matter their political affiliation.  Anyone who is capable of destroying the greatest document ever written by man Hates America imho!

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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2010, 04:34:39 PM »
Wreckhog;
  So S Carolina wants to make hunting a constitutional right ! they haven't yet and time (and the courts) will tell if they can.
    
     BTW: When will you quit beating that old, dead RACE-HORSE..he's dead..moribund...and can't run anymore, except in some folks imaginations..
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2010, 09:34:45 PM »
Sunday, March 21,2010: The House of Representatives answered our topic question today. They voted contrary to the will of the people, acording to all the polls. If it was really about health care we would have had a good bill passed long before now which included tort reform and limited government interferance. And it would not have contained government control of student loans and who knows what else. A sad day in American history and maybe just the begining of a land slide of government control bills. They have the momentum now. How much more can Americans take of this kind of "change" ? I don't like to think or talk about it but I expect the violence to start soon. Hope I'm wrong. If only it were just about health care and nothing more.
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Re: Does Obama and his "progressives" hate America...?
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2010, 07:45:21 AM »
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If only it were just about health care and nothing more.

Thats it in a nutshell saddlebum, it aint about healthcare, its about control, hence the student loan thing!

I am with you on the violence, I think its coming.
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