Author Topic: A Rifle Anyone Can Build.....Gun project book, easy,rewarding project (Read 10140 times)

jerry4570 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2010, 03:53:43 AM »

Thanks for the input guys, I hope you'll keep us updated as the projects progress.

Forestgnome · « **Reply #31 on:** June 24, 2010, 12:31:24 PM »

Quote from: gunnut69 on April 22, 2010, 05:43:58 AM

I believe one must file a form notifying ATF of the project and what it's serial number is to be. Of course it can be anything you wish..

Not true. No serial number or form is required. ATF suggests you put a serial# on it for identification purposes in case it's stolen, but there's no requirement. If you transfer it it needs a serial#.

Cornbelt · « **Reply #32 on:** June 25, 2010, 03:42:21 AM »

For what its worth, just to clear up some confusion about the term "firearm", there are two different definitions; title 1 "firearm", and title 2 "firearm".
Title 1 "firearms" can be made without a license, without government notification, and without serial numbers (unless for subsequent transfer).
Title 2 "firearms" need to be registered with the government before making and include the kind of stuff one seldom sees at a typical gun shop, like machine guns, silencers, destructive devices, stocked pistols, smoothe bore pistols, sawed-off shotguns/ rifles, etc.
Then there are exemptions which turn title 2's into title 1's, such as Liberator pistols, Broomhandles and Hipower pistols with matching numbered stocks... the list goes on, but for those concerned who haven't resherched it, the quickest fix is to call BATFE in washington. I have found them to be most helpful in the past. They would much rather answer questions before the fact than conduct an expensive investigation afterwards.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #33 on:** June 28, 2010, 08:32:58 AM »

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't machine guns Class 3 ? If we are clearing up confusion and all

Cornbelt · « **Reply #34 on:** June 28, 2010, 09:49:28 AM »

Class 3 refers to the type of FFL required to deal in Title 2 weapons.

royalranger · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2010, 05:05:56 AM »

while i have not seen this vid. i use reciver that already have numbers stamped on them thus they are legal , plus I keep mine just a suggestion

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:16:53 AM »

There is actually a book out there on making your own .50 BMG sniper rifle. In it he says you have to file paperwork and put a serial on it, but I suspect that has to do with the .50 BMG part. I have a Winchester model 131 I recently picked up at the pawn shop for $40 that has no serial on it anywhere, has to have been made '67-'69. Anyone know how Winchester got away with that one?

gunnut69 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:52:42 AM »

Until the Kenneday assasination was used by the anti-gunners to create histeria serial numbers weren't needed on firearms. They were added to 22 rifles and such after the law was passed.. I would seriously doubt anyone was made any safer.. Pretty typical law by the liveral jerks in charge.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 21, 2010, 09:23:11 AM »

I thought that law passed in '65, the 131 was first made in '67, so how did they get away with it?

jlwilliams · « **Reply #39 on:** July 21, 2010, 10:37:16 AM »

1968 Gun Control Act may be the law in question, so a 1967 made gun would pre date the law. If there was one passed in '65 it may not have taken immediate effect.

It's nothing to really worry about on older guns. The big rule regarding serial numbers is that you can't obliterate one. If there is a number, you have to leave it alone. If there isn't a number, all that means is that there isn't a number.

Regardless, as for the project in the book discussed in the OP, it's OK to build yourself a rifle. It's not OK to start a garage business in home built guns.

I started making one but other things have come up forcing my recreational fabricating to the back burner. You know how it goes......

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 21, 2010, 10:50:27 AM »

Hmmmm....so I may have a better idea how old it is now.

Cornbelt · « **Reply #41 on:** July 21, 2010, 03:40:50 PM »

Got a good start on the mod. 6 design here, but probably won't finish it till after everything is harvested.
Might post a picture or two if I can figure out the camera. (That means the wife will have to do it for me.)

In 1968, just for the record, I arbitrarily lost the right to keep and bear arms for what amounted to a major portion of my life -at that time.
That's why "The pen is mightier than the sword". More devious at any rate; all pens should have required serial numbers. And registration!

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:52:44 PM »

I'm sure somebody will tell me this is illegal, but could you build this design unrifled to fire .22 shot cartridges for barn rats?

Cornbelt · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:00:17 PM »

Yes. But the bbl length, and overall length must be increased by 2", as the smoothebore makes it a shotgun: 18" bbl; 26" OAL.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:04:46 PM »

Not sure of the benefit (particularly with the last price I saw for .22 shot cratridges) but the rifle itself would proably be cheaper to build smoothbore....Guess the shot pattern would be better.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #45 on:** July 22, 2010, 03:04:56 PM »

I think the benefit may be that you'd have something that you can't buy in a store. That's worth something, if even just bragging rights. Besides, the design lends itself to multiple barrels so you could always just put a regular rifled barrel on if you decide you don't want to shoot shot.

May be worth playing with choke ideas. Cutting the barrel with a tubing cutter would 'choke' it a little. I'm sure there are many ways to skin that cat.

Neat idea. I don't think I've ever seen a dedicated 22 shot barrel. Must have been done, but I've never seen it.

Cornbelt · « **Reply #46 on:** July 22, 2010, 05:21:22 PM »

For a design like this, there is no reason not to have one bbl of each, since they are so easily interchanged.
Put one on a single shot a few yrs back, and as far as shot bbls go, you'd be amazed at how much more effective they are at keeping a pattern. It's also amazing how accurate they are with regular loads, too. No minute of angle groups, but at plinking distance, most people wouldn't notice.
Back when kids could buy .22's mail order, the guns with shot bbls were $5.00 less. And smoothe bbls still don't cost that much from GPC.

Cornbelt · « **Reply #47 on:** August 07, 2010, 06:23:14 AM »

Gettin' started. $5 bbl and free stock ought to make it a good deal.
Time wise, nobody thinks my time is worth too much. Guess I shouldn't have that illusion. But a separate trigger guard would be much simpler.

gunnut69 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 11, 2010, 09:47:12 PM »

Smooth bore 22 rimfires are fairly common. Winchester made many as did
Reminton and marlin. I've a Remington 581 that does a really nice job with rose crimped shot rounds. Some of the smooth bore rifles(?) are really expensive variations of normal rifles. The Winchester M67A can go as much as 300% above the price of a normal rifled gun.

tacklebury · « **Reply #49 on:** September 03, 2010, 11:25:35 AM »

Make sure you check into your own state's rules also. Here we have to create a manufacturer's mark and it must be on the gun permanently, meaning stamped, engraved etc. and it must have a serial number and be registered with the state police following a safety check IF it ever leaves your own property. Same goes with homegrown muzzle loading pistols here, although muzzle loading rifles are wide open. You only have to mark them otherwise if you plan to transfer them.

jerry4570 · « **Reply #50 on:** September 27, 2010, 01:24:31 PM »

Thanks to yall that have looked and a bigger thanks to those that have bought the book and are building the rifle, hope to see the results on here. I've obtained my ffl and hope to offer some good deals on firearms, I'm trying to compete with the "big guys" prices. please have a look.http://buildurownrifle.com/

Cornbelt · « **Reply #51 on:** May 18, 2011, 03:23:00 PM »

Back to the project again. Almost there; its been interesting.
(here's a link to the test section, 'cause I don't want to do it all over again)

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,234295.0.html

Cornbelt · « **Reply #52 on:** December 17, 2011, 01:30:02 AM »

There's a picture somewhere, but it ain't working. Maybe later.

Well, for ten bucks, its been an interesting project. $5 bbl, $5 Scope.
Too bad the scrounged stock didn't work, so this one is shelf walnut.

My thanks, jerry4570. You were right, it was done w/tools I had on hand, and its kept me out of mischief for a while.

Cornbelt · « **Reply #53 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:05:14 AM »

Maybe this one will work.

tacklebury · « **Reply #54 on:** December 17, 2011, 10:07:50 AM »

Very cool man. Any chance you can takes some detail pics of the rear of the receiver etc? Just to see the action. I've been tempted to do this too.

jerry4570 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 17, 2011, 10:55:52 AM »

Tim, I got your message and I'm glad you had fun with the project. Your rifle looks great, how does it shoot?

Cornbelt · « **Reply #56 on:** December 18, 2011, 07:20:38 AM »

Jerry- Yes, it shoots fine with the scope zeroed for me, others hit high and to the right, but everyone that shoots it groups well.

Tackelbury- I took some pictures of the action before it was rivited together. They were in the test section, but stuff there gets removed, or they do it 'cause I don't know how, but at any rate, I might still have some. Have to do some looking, but here's one of the opposite side.

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 18, 2011, 03:52:25 PM »

That is a real handsome rifle Cornbelt....Antique-ish looking...I thought it was one of the Stevens Crackshots when I seen it.
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jlwilliams · « **Reply #58 on:** December 19, 2011, 01:35:25 AM »

Good work. Congratulations.

Cornbelt · « **Reply #59 on:** December 19, 2011, 02:33:49 PM »

Quote from: tacklebury on December 17, 2011, 10:07:50 AM

Any chance you can takes some detail pics of the rear of the receiver etc?

Here are a couple. (BB cannon's an afterthought)

As to a crackshot... been thinking about that.