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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2010, 08:57:52 AM »
I own a 270 win & a 25-06 rem, wouldn't that be a similar senario. I say if you want it and can afford it, get it.

My Buddy Jeff is getting ready to purchase a 25-06 as an "all rounder" varmint to Deer   . I have never fired one . can't wait to give it a try.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2010, 01:09:57 AM »
Of the 2. I would go for the 7-08, brass easily made from 308 brass, will shoot flatter than the 308. But the 308 has heavier bullets, a plus maybe. 308 ammo available every where 7-08 may not be. I guess the caliber is a matter of choice, both will work. As far as the 25-06 I had a Winchester that shot speer 100 grain Hp's very accurate and was deadly on both deer and varmits. you will love it. Lou
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2010, 08:02:11 AM »
And, with the 25-06, IF you are properly licensed, and properly practiced, and properly stoked (correct bullet) and an elk presents itself withing range of YOUR capability, IT will work...
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2010, 02:06:37 PM »
And, with the 25-06, IF you are properly licensed, and properly practiced, and properly stoked (correct bullet) and an elk presents itself withing range of YOUR capability, IT will work...

Last year I saw a very nice bull, cow and mulie buck that had been shot with a .25-06.  The bul took two shots but I was told the second was insurance and really wasn't necessary.  All three reportedly dropped in their tracks.

The shooter was a 12 year old girl.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2010, 06:57:47 PM »
And, with the 25-06, IF you are properly licensed, and properly practiced, and properly stoked (correct bullet) and an elk presents itself withing range of YOUR capability, IT will work...

Last year I saw a very nice bull, cow and mulie buck that had been shot with a .25-06.  The bul took two shots but I was told the second was insurance and really wasn't necessary.  All three reportedly dropped in their tracks.

The shooter was a 12 year old girl.


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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2010, 09:48:15 AM »
If you need two or more rifles, and who doesn't, the two calibers you question are hard to beat.  Consider either as a backup rife for the other.

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2010, 02:35:51 PM »
Absolutely! You could set the 7mm up for lighter bullets and the .308 up for larger bullets. You would be familiar with the rifle already.

     I ask myself the same question regarding my 30-30 and my 7-30 waters. This is basically the same scenario. I grew up with a Winchester 94 30-30 in my hand for deer hunting in the mountains of western NC.
My first deer was killed in piedmont of SC with the same gun, only in 7-30 waters. I still have the 30-30, but the 7-30 was my uncles and he no longer has the rifle. I do have a contender carbine in 7-30 and you better believe if I found a model 94 in 7-30 for a reasonable price I would snatch it up. Since I don't reload yet, I am limited to ammunition availability. 120 gr. Federals in the 7-30 and usually 150 or 170 gr. in the 30-30.
     I still use the open sighted 30-30 for hunting the mtns. For a little more reach, I use the 7-30.

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2010, 07:01:13 AM »
If I already own a rifle in .308, is there any reason to get an identical rifle in 7mm-08?  What reasons would you give?

Well...What would you hunt with a 7-08 that you wouldn't hunt with a 308???
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2010, 12:07:52 PM »
If I already own a rifle in .308, is there any reason to get an identical rifle in 7mm-08?  What reasons would you give?

Of course there is.

1.   If it turns your crank you need no other reason.

2.   Second, a 7mm-08 is an excellent deer cartridge that works well for animals up to at least the size of elk.

3.   The 7mm -08 bullets have a higher BC than .308” bullets of the same weight.

4.   7mm-08 loads often generate less recoil than the .308 Win.

5.    I always take two rifles on my hunting trips.  The 7mm-08 and .308 Win make a nice pair.

Full disclosure:  While I don’t own a 7mm-08, I do own a .308 Win and two 30-06’s (talk about redundant).  I also own a 7mm RM and would love to have a 7mm-08.






Redundant ??? ??? ???

I have 4 off the top of my head. Maybe more. (I have my guns scattered between the camps and home, my mom's. my grandparent's, and my friends houses.) I think I have 6 now that I think about it. I also have 3 30-30's. I like the 7mm-08 as a deer cartridge. I do not own a 308 though. I have the 7mm-08 to bridge the gap between the 223 and the 30-06 and to add range advantage over the 30-30.

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2010, 05:18:17 AM »
No point at all in having them in both cals.
Buy one really good rifle in 7x57. ;D
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2010, 01:48:23 PM »
Any point in having a gorgeous blond girlfriend AND a gorgeous brunette?  ::) (not necessary or justifiable but sure would be fun  ;D)

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2010, 02:28:54 PM »
Any point in having a gorgeous blond girlfriend AND a gorgeous brunette?  ::) (not necessary or justifiable but sure would be fun  ;D)

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2010, 12:41:08 AM »
Geez, what to say? ???
Darn, gotta go.....the missus is coming down the hall!  :o ;D
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2010, 07:53:46 AM »
AND THAT'S how it all begins, sweet and innocent, until THAT DAY.....
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2010, 03:55:28 PM »
I am with scootrd.  My favorite rifle is remington model 7 7mm08.  I own 3 7mm08's.  Nope don't need um but sure enjoy shooting them and owning the them.  They are all accurate and deadly up to elk sized game.  My savings account is paying a huge 1.5% interest.  Hell, I am better off owning something I like and if I get in a pinch I can sell it.  I picked up a stevens 7mm08 at Academy for $199 on sale then another $50 off for opening a charge account.  $162 out the door and the damn shoots 1/2 inch groups with my reloads.  Kind of like some of my old girl friends.  Wouldn't win a beauty contest but sure was fun to have around ;D.  If you can get a bargain and it it what you want...get one.

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2010, 05:39:43 AM »
Depending on what game you hunt, I'd add either a .243 Win or a .338 Federal as a companion to a .308 Win.   I'd lean to the 243 if you hunt varmints and the 338 if you hunt heavy game. 
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2010, 05:36:44 AM »
The 7mm-08 was developed as a wildcat round for metallic silhouette shooting. If you're not into that sport there really isn't much reason to choose it over the .308.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2010, 09:56:24 PM »
The 7mm-08 was developed as a wildcat round for metallic silhouette shooting. If you're not into that sport there really isn't much reason to choose it over the .308.

Guess I didn't know that. I did know the 7IHMSA (a necked down 300Savage) was developed for Silhouettes, along with a whole lineup of necked up and necked down 300Savages. We used a lot of our silhouette guns for hunting antelope, deer and elk in Wyoming. The "only" reason for any of them rounds is "I want" as none of them have a necessity attached to them.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2010, 11:28:34 PM »
I have loved reading this thread!  Swampy you just kill me! but dont ever change!  ;)
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2010, 07:29:36 AM »

Philthy-Geezer,

  In answer to your original question, "Is there any point in owning rifles in both  7mm-08 and .308 Win?", the answer is NO.  Why buy two rifles that shoot cartridges that overlap 98% in performance?  It would not "expand" your hunting capabilities in any material respect.

   If you want a lighter shooting round, then go to the .243 Winchester or the .25-06. If you want a heavier hitting round, then go to a 7 Mag or a 35 Whelen.  These are common cartriges and proven performers.

  Of course, if you are a  "Philthy-RICH-Geezer," then I guess it doesn't matter.  :-)

Best of Luck,


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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2010, 12:16:54 AM »
Mannyrock, I'd like to disagree.
There is a point to owning both a 7mm-08 and a 308.
It's called "I want a 7mm-08 and a 308".
If you want them that's the point.....you want them.
I'm tired of justifying guns.
If you want them and have the $$$s go ahead.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2010, 08:11:50 PM »
Mannyrock, I'd like to disagree.
There is a point to owning both a 7mm-08 and a 308.
It's called "I want a 7mm-08 and a 308".
If you want them that's the point.....you want them.
I'm tired of justifying guns.
If you want them and have the $$$s go ahead.

I really got to disagree with some of this. The Original Post is a request for thoughts and opinions on a particular subject. Our response is to bring forth thoughts and opinions based on "whatever" either pro or con to the request. I think it's cool when we reinforce another's response. I don't think it's cool when we berate a response as that is counter to the purpose. If we get tired of some particular thing, we should be courteous and just back away from the thread. I don't think the OP will really care and can't believe he/she enjoys reading us chewing on each other.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2010, 04:22:31 AM »
I said "I'd like to disagree."
I did not say "You're a %$## no-good dumb jerk who couldn't tell one end of a gun from the other and you have no idea."
I simply presented another point of view.
I appreciate your sensitive feelings for Mannyrock but if he feels truly wronged could he please come forward and I will apologise and clarify my response.
Meanwhile let's not get offended on other people's behalf unless it is truly warranted.
I hope I haven't offended you with my frank reply.
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2010, 04:45:44 AM »
The 7mm-08 was developed as a wildcat round for metallic silhouette shooting. If you're not into that sport there really isn't much reason to choose it over the .308.

I absolutely do not understand the thought of the above statement.
So if I'm not into silhouette shooting I should not purchase a Rem mod seven 7mm-08 short action, lightweight set up, that swings nicely , is well balanced and a pleasure to carry all day , has less recoil than .308 and has good bullet selection
shoots slightly flatter than 308 and has better BC, and oh did I mention is deadly accurate on Whitetails and pairs up well with the terrain I hunt in.

Wish I had known this before I made my selection. guess I gotta live with my mistakes.  ;D
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2010, 05:05:00 AM »
You poor fella, scootrd.
I'll look after it for you since you aren't a dedicated silhouette shooter.
I'm not either but someone needs to take the pain away.  ;D
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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2010, 11:58:07 AM »

  Thanks.  No offense taken, as to the views of either Sweetwater or Kombi. 

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2010, 08:47:17 AM »

Philthy-Geezer,

  In answer to your original question, "Is there any point in owning rifles in both  7mm-08 and .308 Win?", the answer is NO.  Why buy two rifles that shoot cartridges that overlap 98% in performance?  It would not "expand" your hunting capabilities in any material respect.

Guess I should get rid of most of my big game rifles and keep only a single rifle for hunting big game as they ALL have significant overlap.  Maybe you can help me cull the herd by telling me which one to keep?

.257 Roberts, Ruger M77, 22” barrel
7mm RM, Ruger M77, 24” barrel
.308 Win, Remington M700, 22” barrel
.30-30, Marlin 336
.30-06, Ruger M77, 22” barrel
.30-06, Remington M700, 22” barrel
.300 WM, Ruger MKII, 24” barrel
.375 Win, Marlin 375
.44 Mag, Browning B92
.45-70, Marlin 1895

On second thought, never mind – in spite of the significant overlap between various rifles and the cartridges they are chambered for, they are all keepers.


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   If you want a lighter shooting round, then go to the .243 Winchester or the .25-06. If you want a heavier hitting round, then go to a 7 Mag or a 35 Whelen.  These are common cartriges and proven performers.

Personally, I would much prefer the 7mm-08 as an all-around cartridge to anything in .243”. 

The 7mm-08 is available in compacts, something I have yet to see with the .25-06.  For my hunting, mostly elk and deer in the same hunt, I’d rather have a 7mm-08 with heavier bullets than are available for a  .25-06.  This from someone whose favorite rifle is a .257 Roberts and has hunted elk/deer with the Roberts and +P loads that are just a small step behind the .25-06 and a 7mm RM with loads only 100fps faster than the 7mm-08.

I have to agree the 7mm RM is a good choice for many things, including a one-gun battery.  It was, in fact, my choice for just that purpose back in 1982 and it will likely be the last to go.  The .35 Whelen is also an excellent cartridge, but not one I would choose unless I was hunting griz country or Africa.  In either case, these are not cartridges I would recommend to someone considering the merit of adding a 7mm-08 to a battery that already includes a .308 Win, especially if I didn’t know what other rifles they already owned.

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  Of course, if you are a  "Philthy-RICH-Geezer," then I guess it doesn't matter.  :-)

Best of Luck,
Mannyrock

Once certainly doesn’t need to be a "Philthy-RICH-Geezer" to own rifles with overlapping capabilities.  Indeed, there are many good reasons for doing so. 

When I bought my second .30-06 (Remington M700) I got lucky and the chamber configuration was virtually identical to that of my first (Ruger M77).  I say “lucky” because handloads that were tailored for the Ruger .30-06 worked reasonably well in the Remington – and certainly well enough for hunting purposes.   When I bought a third .30-06 (Savage) as a wedding gift for my future son-in-law, I was not so lucky – the loaded cartridges I was using in the Remington and Ruger simply wouldn’t chamber in the Savage – the COL was too long.  The lesson learned there was that I would now prefer to have two rifles with overlapping capabilities but chambered for different cartridges than two rifles chambered for the same cartridge – that way there is no need to compromise on ammo and no need to try to keep separate batches of ammo for each – as a handloader I can tailor the ammo to each specific rifle rather than the one with the shortest COL or other limiting factor.  When I purchased my second .30-06, the Remington M700, I had a choice of an identical rifle in 7mm-08 for the same price.  If it was to do over, I would have bought the 7mm-08 even though I already had a .308 Win. 

Most of my rifles were purchased used, many after long months of looking for bargains.  The prices paid for these rifles were often low enough that the specific cartridge they were chambered for didn’t much matter.  My Ruger .257 Roberts is a perfect example – I had just sold a shot-out .22-250 at a gun show and was on my way to Sportsman’s Warehouse to buy a Ruger in .25-06 when I literally backed into a guy with a Ruger slung over his shoulder and a “For Sale” sign attached.  It was the .257 Roberts in like-new condition with a Leupold M8 4x in the rings.  We settled on a price of $400.  Since I had just purchased an identical scope a month earlier for $100, also used, I felt the real cost of the rifle was $300 – well below what I would have spent for a new .25-06.  My Remington M700 BDL in .308 Win is another example.  It was also in like new condition and I got it for $350.  That rifle could have been chambered for any one of a number of cartridges and I would have still purchased it.

Another good reason to own two rifles with overlapping capabilities has to do with ammo.  I always take two rifles hunting these days, in case I have difficulty with one.   When the rifles are chambered for different cartridges, as is usually the case, the chances of an ammo problem with both rifles decreases significantly.  (If they were chambered for the same cartridge I would probably take factory ammo as a back-up, which is exactly what I did when I had only one rifle.)

To the fiscally conservative, it certainly makes more sense to own two rifles that fit your needs, even if their capabilities have significant overlap, than it does to own two rifles with very different capabilities if one of the two doesn’t fit your needs.

Back to the original question, does it make sense to own both a 7mm-08 and a .308 Win?   It often does.


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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2010, 04:42:19 PM »
I think their both good calibers at present I don't own either  but have in the past.  I did a short 7-08 wildcat also shot both in factory class matches and custom 308 in HBR then did a 308x1.5 wildcat.  I forget what year but Sako came out with a  silhouette rifle chambered for the 7-08 mine was a great shooter.

I only hunted with the 308 acouple times prefer larger calibers for my deer/elk rifles.  If I was in a region that only offered deer hunting etc I'd use either.


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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2010, 05:23:11 PM »
The 7mm-08 was developed as a wildcat round for metallic silhouette shooting. If you're not into that sport there really isn't much reason to choose it over the .308.

Its ok, 7mm-08 Remington's are being used for about the same purpose.  Instead of shooting at metallic silhouettes it’s used quite successfully to shoot meat silhouettes every year.  I personally choose the 7mm-08 Remington over the 308 Winchester.  If a great deal came around, I would pick up a 308 Winchester.  Don’t get me wrong, I am very thankfully for the 308 Winchester, since I use only its brass for my 7mm-08 Remington.

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Re: Any point in owning rifles in both 7mm-08 and .308 Win?
« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2010, 06:17:58 PM »
I am very thankfully for the 308 Winchester, since I use only its brass for my 7mm-08 Remington.
yooper77

Thanks for this post , made me grin after working in the cold and rain pushin logs and dirt around all day!!!

Guess I fall into the Jack O'Connor camp rather than the Elmer Keith camp.

http://www.huntthenorth.com/Theperfectrifle.html

BTW ..Here's my useless setup (since I don't shoot metallic silhouettes) , only whitetails.



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