Author Topic: Tea Party (Read 1621 times)

SHOOTALL · « **on:** December 21, 2009, 04:45:41 AM »

OK tea party is over whats next ?

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:51:35 AM »

As I see it American now has three choices, three paths to take at the current fork in the road. On the left we have the path to ruination and poverty and total loss of freedom. It's wide and well lit and most will likely go down it.

In the middle the path leads to the polls next year. If enough folks vote out everyone associated with what has gone down and what is going down then that patch has a silver lining looming ahead. I don't expect this path to be noticed by nearly enough tho as it's brush choked and hard to see. It's unlikely many will take notice.

Then on the right is the path our founding fathers took. It begins with a declaration and ends with another shooting war with another tyrantical government who's armament makes it look like a David and Goliath battle. Many who take this path will die and/or be imprisoned. Only if enough folks find the path and fight to the death with no thought of their own lives only of the potentially bright future it can provide to those who come after them same as the founding fathers did can the nation be put right again.

So what path will you take? It's not important that you post here what path you'll take only that you take it when the time requires the decision be made. Path two and path three kinda run together at some point ahead so all who enter either might find themselves walking with those who entered the ohter before they reach their destination.

skarke · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:58:32 AM »

GB, honestly, I really just don't know. I am truly heartbroken with the loss of our great Nation. Everything has a life cycle. Everything I observe tells me that Old Glory is on her way out. It is a tidal wave of influence from too many directions to list.

Frankly, I feel nearly helpless, and a little old.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:05:19 AM »

Well said GB,
I feel too as Skarke that this country is running so fast down the highway to hell that no one will see where the road splits. As an example this last summer in minneapolis a tornado tore the cross off the lutheran church AT THE VERY MOMENT church leaders were voting to allow gay clergy, guess what- they voted to allow it, not even half of them saw that as a sign, or cared. If those are the spiritual leaders we are following, then we are doomed.

ms · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:08:31 AM »

As soon as the fighting starts . They will just send the planes and dump poison gas on us.

KB21 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:10:25 AM »

Well, once this passes, watch them frantically try to get laws passed that will prevent us from arming ourselves. Communists always disarm their citizens so the citizens cannot fight back.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:37:04 AM »

GB has good points for sure . A 4th path might be a sit down strike where nothing happens like in Polands ship yards .

teamnelson · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:47:44 AM »

If by tea party you mean sitting around on lawn chairs waving a tea bag and listening to rousing speeches, then yeah. Calling that a Tea Party was a misnomer; the differences between the Tea Party of today, and this below should be obvious:

"On December 16, 1773, after officials in Boston refused to return three shiploads of taxed tea to Britain, a group of colonists boarded the ships and destroyed the tea by throwing it into Boston Harbor.

The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain. He apparently did not expect that the protestors would choose to destroy the tea rather than concede the authority of a legislature in which they were not directly represented.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, which, among other provisions, closed Boston's commerce until the British East India Company had been repaid for the destroyed tea. Colonists in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775."

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:20:57 AM »

I'm taking GB's option 2 next year. Hope that works. However, I do have a Rep. congressman and two Rep. senators. All vote about 90% the way I want. They all voted against the bailouts and the health care bill.

Questor · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:49:07 AM »

GB:

That was a very circumspect response to the question. I too see three paths, but they all lead to hades.

Foxxtrot · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:13:37 AM »

http://taxdayteaparty.com/

teddy12b · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:27:18 AM »

I see the next years elections as more critical to this countries future than any have ever been before. The past is what it is, but I can't see how people would reelect some of these politicians that are saying one thing and doing another. The next Tea Party gathering that I'm aware of is scheduled for Aug 28th in DC. If that doesn't get the point across then I think the country if pretty well done. It will collapse under the weight of its own overhead just like GM should have.

I hope things don't get violent with all my heart, but if the next elections don't clean up DC I wouldn't be surprised if "the people" take it upon themselves.

I just don't get why we don't let State governments run their own damn states and let DC stay the F&#$ out of it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2009, 11:08:00 AM »

Dixie Dude you and I share the same senators tho we're far enough apart to not share the same congressman. I agree our senators do vote right far too often to just toss them aside tho I must admit I would like to see a clean sweep of all of DC. My congressman needs to go but so far I've seen nothing offered that didn't appear to be worse yet.

Yes Rudy I agree this nation is headed to hell and I don't think any course is going to change that. Too many are complacent and will not even see that real change is needed until it's far to late to take any action to really make that change. I fear war is looming on the horizon for this nation. Some call it a civil war but rest assured it will NOT be civil. I look at it as a second Revolutionary war and like the first it needs to be soundly based on the same principles as the first and with the same goal and if successful at the end the same document needs to be reinstated but without all the stuff added past those first ten in the Bill of Rights. They need to be incorporated into the original document and made very clear what they mean this time.

I believe the first necessary step is for some states who are bold enough to seceede from the union and it needs to happen the day after the results of the 2010 election are made known and it is shown that the polls are not going to turn things around. If it is delayed much longer than that then it will be too late.

KB21 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2009, 11:36:01 AM »

It will actually be the third revolutionary war. The second, of course, was the War for Southern Independence that has been mistermed a Civil War. That war was not fought for control of the federal government. It was fought for the South's Independence.

I believe 16 states have brought about bills for nullification of any health care bill that comes out of DC. I'm hoping more states do this. I'm going to contact Mississippi's state legislature and encourage them to bring this about.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2009, 04:11:18 PM »

Rome didn't fall overnight. They became rich and corrupt. They allowed some Goths and Visigoths to come across the border for protection against the Huns. (Illegals in America). We became rich. Our ancestors worked hard to build this nation. Now we are discarding the values and principles our nation was built on. Rome fell over a 400 year period. From Cesar just before Christ to about AD 470. The republic went to a dictatorship then corrupt and fell to the invading Germanic tribes. We are being invaded by illegals, catering to whatever the world wants, de-industrializing, importing too much, borrowing too much. We were once the "salt" of the earth to keep it palatable to God. We are caving to what the world and the one worlders want. World is getting ripe for the anti-christ.

skarke · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2009, 04:45:20 PM »

Dixie Dude,

Amen.

Frankly guys, though, we are outliers. We might be prophetic in our prose, but it'll take mass economic chaos for the rest of America to see our misdirection. Where are we going to go? New Zealand sure doesn't want us. Our beloved South is deindustrializing at the same pace as the rest of America, and we never were all that industrial to begin with.

No guys, when TSHTF, China will be the world's leading manufacturing country, have all the engineers and scientists, and ALL of the capital. We'll be left with a mind numbed generation or two of Nintendo playing, uneducated, middle aged people with no idea which way to go. After all, virtually none of our upcoming generations can identify the Vice President, the Speaker, or their own Congressman. Why should we expect them to negotiate the coming Apocalypse?

teddy12b · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:12:31 AM »

Quote from: skarke on December 21, 2009, 04:45:20 PM

After all, virtually none of our upcoming generations can identify the Vice President, the Speaker, or their own Congressman. Why should we expect them to negotiate the coming Apocalypse?

I think it's a little unfair to point the finger at the younger generation for todays problems. The 45-65 crowd is the group running the show today and they aren't impressing me. I think it's time for a re-do in DC. I don't see a problem with just starting fresh.

Questor · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:15:49 AM »

teddy12b:

I agree. Youth can always be relied on to be oblivious, uninformed and malleable. It's the people in charge that get the blame. Nobody goes around blaming Russian teenagers for the atrocities of Stalin.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:24:51 AM »

The young and the Govt. are what they are because American's allowed it to be what it is . We became a SOFT nation . For some unknown reason we have decided we are not responsible for our own actions and don't deserve to pay for what we do . Kids don't know the vice president because many of their parents didn't know either ! Govt. keeps on taking because we keep on electing the idoits . If we stopped sending the same group it would stop .

teamnelson · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2009, 06:13:20 AM »

As for the youth, what did you buy them for Christmas to prepare them for the future?

If the most you're willing to do to prevent the collapse is what's been done so far then it's inevitable.

teddy12b · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2009, 06:37:14 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on December 22, 2009, 06:13:20 AM

As for the youth, what did you buy them for Christmas to prepare them for the future?

If the most you're willing to do to prevent the collapse is what's been done so far then it's inevitable.

I bought my little girl a big stuffed pony. I also bought her a different kind of pony a few months back that's black and holds 30. When she's old enough, she'll learn how to shoot while having an MRE or home grown food for lunch.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2009, 06:43:58 AM »

I made my kids work as teenagers and buy their own cars. Learned how to take care of things they worked hard to get. They complained all the time, that other parents bought their kids stuff. I made them pay their own insurance on the cars also, their own gas money. I made them pay their costs on cell phones also.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2009, 08:52:14 AM »

If you waited until Christmas you may have waited to late .

teamnelson · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2009, 09:08:00 AM »

DD, teddy, great work! Here are some other great gift ideas to prepare our kids for the future: a Bible, a pocket version of the Constitution, a good knife, a pre-industrial skill, a musical instrument that does not require batteries ... there should still be joy in our future.

We evidently have a generation that don't know the original tea party involved illegal (per the crown) activity, armed conflict, violence, and threats of bodily harm by the chairman of the committee for tarring and feathering. The tea party of today has more in common with my little girl's 5th birthday party where they dressed up and brought out the good china, than The Boston Tea Party.

teddy12b · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2009, 10:50:19 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on December 22, 2009, 09:08:00 AM

DD, teddy, great work! Here are some other great gift ideas to prepare our kids for the future: a Bible, a pocket version of the Constitution, a good knife, a pre-industrial skill, a musical instrument that does not require batteries ... there should still be joy in our future.

We evidently have a generation that don't know the original tea party involved illegal (per the crown) activity, armed conflict, violence, and threats of bodily harm by the chairman of the committee for tarring and feathering. The tea party of today has more in common with my little girl's 5th birthday party where they dressed up and brought out the good china, than The Boston Tea Party.

Well said Sir!

I couldn't even begin to give an accurate count of how many bibles I have in the house. Same goes for a good knife.

briarpatch · « **Reply #25 on:** December 22, 2009, 11:32:37 AM »

If everyone on here went down to their local precient and got involved we could turn this around. I know this sounds just plain nuts but try it. If you wrote or called your congressman. Thank you. You put in a great effort. If not, get involved.
I got mad and got involved. I have now had the opertunity to talk to 3 of the 8 canidates running against the person in my local district. It has been easy to see who will and who will not support what we want.
We also help other ajoining districts.
Hopefully we will be able to bring out people that will give us, the people, a say.
Call your local Tea party group and talk to them. So far I feel we are making a difference in bringing more people in to the fold. I have also learned a great deal about the process.

skarke · « **Reply #26 on:** December 26, 2009, 07:20:37 PM »

Teddyb,

You're spot on, and I don't blame the youth of our Country for its problems, rather, much of our challenges lie squarely on the 45-65 generation, mine. I fault our generation for its failure to focus on raising many of our youth in the fundamentals of Constitutional history, capitalism, free markets, and chiefly, about our Christian heritage.

No, our kids are the products of us. Their failings are our failings. In fact, I see a few glimmers of hope in the generation to come. They might be ignorant by design, but they aren't stupid, and they can add.

It doen't take an Einstein to figure that $23 trillion federal debt equates to no goodies for the coming generations. We baby boomers, as a generation, not us as individuals, have shirked our responsibilities to our kids. We pass them off to contractors to raise, while we bury ourselves in debt for two new cars, an oversized house, three big screens and a marble kitchen sink, none of which we need.

If we spend like there is no tommorow as citizens, why do we expect our elected officials to act differently. Fiscal responsibility begins with personal stewardship. You can't get something for nothing.

Last, expect our kids, as a generation, not individuals, to contract out our care in our senior years to the lowest bidder. I hope that we, the boomers are ready to be farmed out like we did the raising of our kids, 'cause it's gonna happen.

countryroads · « **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2009, 10:03:02 PM »

Shootall, why do you think that the tea party is over? More likely it is a grass roots movement that will be at the center of any activities that cause the reorientation of our screwed up political system. In the span of one short year, it has gone from absolutely nothing to being an entity that garners more support (if you believe the recent polls) than either the democrat or the republican party.

It is true that we haven't begun to shoot, but we have many in the political class shakin' like a dog poopin' peach pits. If you will recall, this past August the bastards were hiding out, avoiding town hall meetings and the like.

I have personally attended tea parties on 4/15 and 7/4, and attended the march on DC on 9/12. On several other occasions, I have carried signs while open carrying in front of my senator's and my representative's offices. I don't know how to communicate my displeasure with their actions any better without actually taking a shot at them.

The tea party movement has caused many good people to get involved in the political process by writing to their representatives and attending town hall meetings, and has emboldened people to run for local offices as well as for national offices. There hasn't been much success as yet on that front, but I give partial credit to the tea party movement for the wins in New Jersey and Virginia last month.

I guess that I like what I am doing better than what most of the citizens of this nation are not doing. In my opinion, every one of us should be marching on Washington, every day. At some point, they will either do what we want them to do, or we will simply walk up the capitol steps in our millions and take the whole damned thing back from them.

Questor · « **Reply #28 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:52:25 PM »

It could become more like England where there is a culture of productive people who help one another find ways of cheating on their taxes legally. Less taxes means less revenue. Less revenue means higher taxes. Higher taxes means more people revolting. More people revolting means less revenue. Less revenue means higher taxes. Higher taxes means more people revolting. You get the idea.

The English word for people pathologically on the dole is "sponger", and this word is used by tax payers in reference to people who play the system to earn a living without working or otherwise being productive. We need a word like that now that 42% of wage earners pay no taxes, and most in fact get additional income in the form of a tax "refund". I.e., the government is picking your pocket to pay a democrat constituent.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:13:30 AM »

Countryroads , because the point was made . Now what do we do ? Whats the next step ? It would seem its time to say No to change , no to over spending , no to being a weak nation , no to illegals etc.