Author Topic: Ok sell me the 25-06 over the .243 Win (Read 7267 times)

pastorp · « **Reply #30 on:** November 25, 2009, 02:14:19 PM »

squirrellluck, I think after all this he has changed his mind. So your still wrong.

Oh well, keep a stiff upper lip & all that sort of rubbish..

Regards,

pastorp · « **Reply #31 on:** November 25, 2009, 02:18:03 PM »

Quote from: Brithunter on November 23, 2009, 01:48:52 PM

Hmmm I would rather have a larger calibre for Moose, Boar and certainly for Bears and yes we do have those in Europe.

Meanwhile we have a slight twist as whilst I was picking up a BSA Hunter in 222 Remington the guy in the gunclubs shop said he should hear about some .243's so we will hang fire on the 25-06 for now but I still fany that Super Cllip rifle .

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Brithunter · « **Reply #32 on:** November 25, 2009, 08:58:08 PM »

Quote from: squirrellluck on November 25, 2009, 01:37:25 PM

And the right answer is... get the 25-06 because you don't have 1

Hmmm you do have a valid point

the Police find it harder to refuse something different especially in collecting

so not only is it a model I don't have but it's also a caliber (i.e .25 cal) that I don't have and thirdly in a chambering I don't have... 26-06.

In fact I am off over the Gunshop to return the offending P-H 1000 .243 today, things cropped up and prevented me doing before now

The fireams Licensing Officer has not gotten back to me so I have to phone them about 09:30 and see if I can catch them today

meanwhile I have a set of Hornady 25-06 dies on my watch list on e-bay ................... just in case

Hmmm which reminds me I need to list my Pat 1888 2nd model bayonet for sale now I no longer have the Martini to fit it.

Brithunter · « **Reply #33 on:** November 26, 2009, 09:23:10 AM »

Well gentlemen the offending rifle was returned and my monies re-paid. I then brought a box (1000) of CCI Large rifle primers as I was gettting low and they didn't have enough Rem 9 1/2's

we then discussed the 25-06 option and checked the availabilty of non expanding bullets in .25 cal............................. hmmm a bit lean in that dept but we came up with 3 possibilities. Sierra 100 grn Match King and to offerings from Berger.

In expanding bullets he has a few on the shelves so I am not going to have to wait on that score

so it was then off to Police HQ to hand back my licence with the letter for the gunshop informing them I had sold the .243 back to them and we had a little chat with Alison from the firearms department filled the form in and off she trotted and my licence should be back with me via the post in a short time. Hopefully in only a few days. They are also going to swop my .222's over so I can shoot and try out the newly acquired BSA Hunter.

Once we got home after a drive round to see the countryside as although a bit breezy it was a beautiful day weather wise I phoned the gunshop that has the P-H 1200SC and reserved it and I also passed on the Phone number of the Colins shop so they can sort out the transfer which will save me about 6-7 hours driving to collect it once the licence comes back with the space on it for the 25-06. I already have my eye on soem 25-06 dies on e-bay next I need to check out the price of brass.

So now we wait.

Dave in WV · « **Reply #34 on:** November 28, 2009, 03:28:26 AM »

When I bought my .243 I wanted a stainless bolt action chambered for either the .243 or 25-06. Ruger didn't chamber the M77 MKII stainless in 25-06 back then so I bought the .243. The 25-06 is a great cartridge and you will enjoy owning one. All you'll ever need for deer or smaller game.

Brithunter · « **Reply #35 on:** November 28, 2009, 09:44:08 AM »

Dave, I do hope so however this is a leap into the unknown for me as I have not actually seen the rifle so fingers crossed

that it's as they claim condition wise.

Three44s · « **Reply #36 on:** November 28, 2009, 06:18:56 PM »

The only thing I would add is that the bigger powder charge .... the bigger the can to contain it ........ the bigger the can ....... the more weight forward your weapon will be.

Cans ..... (silencers) are regulated here but more plentiful than one might realize at first blush.

Three 44s

Brithunter · « **Reply #37 on:** November 28, 2009, 09:05:45 PM »

Quote from: Three44s on November 28, 2009, 06:18:56 PM

The only thing I would add is that the bigger powder charge .... the bigger the can to contain it ........ the bigger the can ....... the more weight forward your weapon will be.

Cans ..... (silencers) are regulated here but more plentiful than one might realize at first blush.

Three 44s

Thanks but yes I do realise that, this is one reason the "Reflex" type is so popular here as it extends back over the barrel with only about 4"-6" in front of the muzzle. Once I get the rifle in my hands I will decide which way to go in moderator type. Due to the cost of them I am probably going to make my own. I used to do this for Pneumatic air rifles oh some 30 years ago and made a moderator and adaptor for my Crossman 766 and I believe I still have the prototypes that I made back then somewhere

Using the same basic idea but larger should work. I have even been working out the method of making a true Maxime style moderator, one that has most of it's bulk below the sight line so the bore and is offset but this would require some sort of key to positivly locate it in position on the barrel. I am also going to fire up the old Ward capstan lathe and make up a batch of muzzle tread protectors as I see lots of screw cut rifles with not thread protectors for when the "Can" is removed. Thes first ones will be for 1/2"x20 UNF threads which is a commonly used thread for these cans.

41 mag · « **Reply #38 on:** November 29, 2009, 03:51:33 AM »

Brit,

The mainstay load for my 25 was the 115gr Nosler Partition. Loaded with 56.5gr of RL-22 which is a TOP END load in my rifle, it gives me 3150fps and has worked on everything from squirrels at 250yds to a 250# mule deer at 40. The load shoots so accurate and with the medium weight bullet for this caliber it holds it's own in the wind and at range.

Dropping to the smaller 100gr Partition, might seem like a better choice given the smaller game your hunting. It should give you around 3200fps easily with a decent load of IMR-4831 or H-4831. It might be a tad easier on the smaller critters, but then again you might want to slow it down a bit as well. The great thing about my particular rifle is how inherently accurate it is. With either of the bullets listed as well as several others, it would shoot 1/2" or less groups easily at 200yds, given conditions and my trigger work. I simply went with the heavier bullet to simplify things should the added weight be needed for a longer shot on a bigger critter. I had taken several deer using the 100gr loads and found that they were a bit much for my liking in the meat trimming area.

Myself and Nomosendero both share a lot in common with the 25's and our hunting as well. I can say you should enjoy a long happy relationship with yours.

Other bullets which have shot very well were the Barnes 100, and 115gr, the Berger 115gr, Sierra 100, 117, and 120gr, the Speer 120gr shot excellent, just didn't give the velocity I was looking for, Hornady 100, 117, and 120gr.

I never really shot anything lighter than the 100gr bullets as I had other calibers which used them more efficiently as would be expected. When your dumping 50grs of powder, it is generally not for a dedicated varmint load, at least in my mind anyway. I have used mine for varmints, but it wasn't worked up as such.

Good wishes to you with yours, I hope you find it as friendly to work with as mine was.

Brithunter · « **Reply #39 on:** November 29, 2009, 05:55:14 AM »

Let's hope it all works out well. I went into the gunshop this afternoon on the way home and checked out the offerings to feed the new rifle

and was surprised at what I found. I thought I had looked the other day but obviously I didn't look properly

Well in componant bullets they have the following on the shelf:-

Sierra ................... 90 Gr HP
Sierra ...................100 Gr HPBT

Nosler Ballistic Tip ... 100 Gr
Nosler Ballistic Tip .... 85 Gr

Combined technogies Silver Tip ... 115 Gr

Hornady Interlock HP ... 120 Gr
Hornady .................... 117 BTSP
Hornady .. V-Max ....... 75 Gr

Speer .................. 120 Gr

Barnes TSX X-Bullet .......100 Gr

Now we struck a bit of luck as due to a mistake it appears that somehow 2000 pieces of 25-06 R.P Remington Brass were delivered some time ago and they never got around to sending it back so I have a plentiful supply of new unprimed brass available at the price of £45:50 ($72:80 US) per 100.

In factory ammunition they have:-

Federal 90 Gr HP @ £80:00 ($144 US) per 100
Federal 117 BTSP @ £162.00 ($259:20 US)
Federal 117 SP £135.00 ($216 US)
Federal 100 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip £131.00 ($209:60 US)

Sako 117 Gr SP £127.00 ($203:20 US)

Remington 120 Gr SP £118 ($188:80 US)

Now with powder at £36 ($57:60 US) per 1lb at first I will see how the 4350 powder that I already have on hand peforms with whatever bullet we decide on to try first.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #40 on:** November 30, 2009, 01:36:15 AM »

Since whan do we need a reason to buy a new rifle ? wife involved or what ?

Brithunter · « **Reply #41 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:50:14 AM »

No wife

but legal issues

as I have a few dozen already and the Police say that I already have too many

and as they are licenced here and you need permission on your licence for each one it's not so easy

then there is the finances as each one has to be paid for and my income is fixed and low and this one is the second rifle purchase this month and I ahve a third on hold which it looks liek i will ahve to get shipped a sit's about 6 hours drive from here one way

and with the fuel cost. This one os from a friend so I will phone him and have a chat about it you never know we might be able toa rrange a visit int eh new year if that suits him. Give me a bit more time to save up for the fuel and we can make a long weekend of it, perhaps get a bit of hunting is too

, we will see what comes about.

On a lighter note I brought a set of RCBS dies off e-bay and once the seller lets me know the shipping cost I can pay for them and get them on their way across the Altantic

even with postage they will be about 1/2 to 2/3 the price of them here

anweis · « **Reply #42 on:** December 01, 2009, 02:25:08 AM »

Quote from: Brithunter on November 23, 2009, 01:40:53 AM

You see I already have the followign calibres and chamberings:-

.222 Remington
6mm Remington
.243 Winchester
6.5x55
270 Winchester
7x57 Mauser
30-30 Winchester
.308 Winchester
30-06 Springfield
7.92mm (8mm Mauser)

You see that I have most bases covered

You don't list anything over 8mm. You need a 9.3x62 or such.

Brithunter · « **Reply #43 on:** December 01, 2009, 03:02:34 AM »

Ahhh anweis I was listing usable claibres and cartridges fo deer and Fox hunting here in the UK

neither the 9.3x57mm nor the .458 Win Mag I also have are suitable at least according to our licensing authority

notice I didn't list the .22 Rimfire either.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #44 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:07:10 AM »

Drop the 222 REM and all the rest can just about do the same task up to deer. Drop the 6mm and 243 with regard to larger than big white tails and it would make little difference which you chose to hunt with as far as round used as they will all do about the same on game suitable to hunt with a round in that size/power range .
What do you really want ? You have listed a nice small collection . Many have expressed the superior preformance of the 25-06 . It seems your govt. pegion holes what you can buy and how many . What more are you looking for ?

Brithunter · « **Reply #45 on:** December 01, 2009, 03:00:54 PM »

Hi SHOOTALL,

Well if everything goes to plan

then I should pick up this 25-06 on Thursday

as there was no licence in the post this morning I rang them to see how things were going and they were only just doing my licence even though it's been there since last Thursday $:-\$ . She even noticed that there was no ammo for 25-06 on my licence so has added it. It just needs to boss the check it over tomorrow and to print it off then sign it for me to collect on Thursday however having dealt with them many times before I am not holding my breathe and I will phone and check it's ready before driving the 40 miles to collect it. I can pick the rifle up on the way home providing of course the carrier gets it to the shop by then so there is plenty that could could awry yet but at least the rifle is paid for and should be shipped by 24Hr carrier Wednesday Morning.

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What do you really want ? You have listed a nice small collection . Many have expressed the superior preformance of the 25-06 . It seems your govt. pegion holes what you can buy and how many . What more are you looking for ?

What I want and what I can have are two different things

but on the want list is:-

a M1910 or M10 Ross .280
Parker-Hale M81 Classic
Parker-Hale Scout
Parker-Hale 1000
Parker-Hale Safari
Parker-Hale Super Safari
Parker-Hale Safari Magnum
Parker-Hale 1200P
Parker-Hale Safari De Luxe
Parker-Hale 1200TX
BSA Model 1928 Hi Velocity rifle
BSA Viscount
BSA Monarch 2nd pattern
BSA Imperial

As for calibres and chamberings well I don't have a 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win mag. 7x64 Brenneke, .308 Norma magnum, .404 jeffries, .375 H&H, .280 Ross................... Hmmm that should fill it out slightly

of course from a collecting point of view if I increased my secure storage it's possible to actually get them allowed on my licence however affording them is a another matter entirely

and yes I do collect British Sporting/Huntign rifles

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #46 on:** December 02, 2009, 01:06:40 AM »

Good luck with the 25 , love mine . And it appears ya'll suffer the same problem over there we do here - our collections are only limited by our lack of funds . GOOD SHOOTING .

PS. of all listed the 300 win. mag. would be my next choice . ( I have one and love it , even more than the 338 win mag )

Brithunter · « **Reply #47 on:** December 02, 2009, 03:45:57 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on December 02, 2009, 01:06:40 AM

Good luck with the 25 , love mine . And it appears ya'll suffer the same problem over there we do here - our collections are only limited by our lack of funds . GOOD SHOOTING .

PS. of all listed the 300 win. mag. would be my next choice . ( I have one and love it , even more than the 338 win mag )

Well I have the cases and dies for the .300 Win Mag as I used to have a Ruger No1B in that chambering

but it was traded off to acquire a rarity. A DWM Plezier sporting rifle made for the Boers in about 1897, 7mm Mauser of course

, I did like the .300 WinMag and you never know I might have one again some day

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #48 on:** December 02, 2009, 04:33:16 AM »

Was the DWM the officers rifle ?

Brithunter · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2009, 06:14:50 AM »

As the Boers were really private citizens their "officers" were I believe voted in and it was usually the wealthier ones who got voted in for soem reason

but it was the most expensive of the Mausers the Boers used at almost double the price of the Normal Mauser 93. This is it :-

The foresight should have a bead atop the blade but it had rusted off when i acquired the rifle making a new replacement blade is a project for some time in the future

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That is the one I have and the one I traded the Ruger for. I also at that time got in the same deal an OVS marked rifle and a Carbine all of DWM manufacture but I no longer have them as they were sold to help replace the car which was written off by a van drive some three years ago

harrys · « **Reply #50 on:** December 02, 2009, 12:56:19 PM »

with the right bullet the 25-06 will kill anything on the north american continent.for most of them it's plenty gun.for some a lil on the light side if ur not a good shot.had many calibers over the yrs and it's my favorite caliber and very very accurate.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #51 on:** December 03, 2009, 01:32:13 AM »

Yes thaty was the rifle I was asking about . It is a beautiful rifle . You have a great prize in gun collecting . Good luck with restoring the sight .

Brithunter · « **Reply #52 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:23:22 PM »

SHOOTALL I realise it's a prize

the Boer Museum helped in trying to indentify the original owner for the name on the silver plate but I am sorry to report it stalled at 13 possibles. So unless we can find more information about this particular rifle it's not going to be possible to get closer.

Back to the 25-06 the rifle has arrived in my "local" shop awaiting me to collect it. Which i will do as soon as my licence arrives

now originally I was suppose to collect it and then collect the rifle on the way home. Of course the Police decided to then post it to me

and now we are at the mercy of the Post Office although it should in theory arrive in the morning (Friday) knowing the Police they sent it second class so it could be next week before it arrives

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Three44s · « **Reply #53 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:42:43 PM »

Counting the hours???

Three 44s

Brithunter · « **Reply #54 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:02:04 PM »

Yes indeed I am counting down the minutes let alone hours

however the postman has just been and my licence was in the post so I am now going to go and collect it this morning which will give me time to strip and clean it and get the scope mounted and adjusted with the collimeter ready for Sunday's trip to the range.

Depending on the weather later I might even get the chance to fire a couple of shots on the field.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #55 on:** December 07, 2009, 03:40:32 AM »

If you reload the Nosler 100 gr. BT works great in mine with IMR-4831 and CCI benchrest primers

Brithunter · « **Reply #56 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:05:53 PM »

Handloading will be THE option once the dies arrive and I can get some cases. I put up a post with photos of the rifle. The jury is still out as to it's accuracy with the factory loads I tried as it shot the Sako 117 Gr Game Head quite well at 70 yards on Saturday on our field but the grouping was poor, in my opinion, at the range 82 yards (75 metres) on Sunday. I will now have to wait until I can afford another box of ammo to try before I can re-check it which is why I will be handloading once I get the dies.

If you look at the post on the P-H 1200C I put up photos of the groups from Sundays disappointing session

Tonk · « **Reply #57 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:42:35 PM »

I suppose if your just going to be shooting ground squirrels all day I would pick the .243 Winny but there still is not that much difference in accuracy between the two calibers. I like the 1/4 Bore because it has more bullets to pick from and it has heavier bullets as well. This makes a great dual purpose caliber more so than the .243 Winchester.

I have used the 25/06 for 15 years and taken everything from P-dogs to bull elk with the caliber! I do NOT recommend this caliber as your go to elk rifle by any means ok, just wanted to clear that up before we go any further on this dusty trail.

The 25/06 will also let you shoot further down range, should you get the notion do so on a hunt etc. I have shot speed goats out to 380 plus yards with my 1/4 bore when things were in my favor. I would not try that shot with a .243 Winchester. It will handle those bigger bucks up in Canada too! The .243 cal is more for those deer under 200-lbs in my humble opinion.

DKA · « **Reply #58 on:** December 19, 2009, 12:51:46 AM »

It's probably personal with me, but the 25 06 is the more practical gun, because, the 243 100 gr bullet is tops and the 120 Gr bullet is tops with 25 06. The 25 06 being a more all around rifle. Can use for Varmint or with 120 Gr bullet and excellant Deer Rifle.

mannyrock · « **Reply #59 on:** December 19, 2009, 04:39:11 AM »

Brit,

By God, old chap, it is clear that you have WAY WAY to much spare time on your hands. I have never seen such lengthy, turgid, analysis used to justify acquiring a rifle that you absolutely do not need, in a caliber that, hunting wise, is already covered in spades by the other rifles in your collection. Just about every game animal you listed in your posts could be handily taken by the 6.5 Swede with the 140 grain bullet.

Clearly, you need to bring a woman into your household on a permanent basis to order you around and soak up all of this free time. I'm not advocating marriage, but I recommend that you find some needy woman down at the pub and have her move in with you.

Knowing you, however, you would just start a new rifle collection, . . . for her. :-)

Manny