need help with handi

[zackyholdem]

hi all,
   so i took my new handi in 30-06 to the range yesterday and experienced some problems.

I attempted to fire 17 shots but for 7 of them where misfires, i was using factory loaded remington core lokt 150 psp, i read the faq's carefully so i know about the proper way to pull the trigger, the firing pin was hitting the primer and leaving an indentation but not ingiting the charge. I assume that the firing pin was not hitting the primer hard enough ingite the charge.

here is my shot sequence

1-5 perfect
6- no ingition
7-8 perfect
9- no igntion
10- perfect
11 no igntion
12-13 perfect
14-17 no ignition

what worries me is that shots 14-17 all did not ignite, so in my opinion 1 dud is coincidene but 4 duds in a row means something is broken. i was wondering does anyone have any suggestions on what to do the firearm is still under 30 day warranty with cabelas so i can return it and have them fix it but i'm worried that they will send it back to the factory and they will say that there is nothing wrong which is obviously not the case and they will send it back to me and i will be right back to square one.

so what i'm asking is could someone possible tell me what could be mechanically wrong with my rifle  that would cause the firing pin not it hit the primer hard enough?

Thanks Zack

[peternap]

Was there any difference in the indention on the primers?

Did you try a second hit on each unfired cartridge and did it fire then?

First, try the obvious. Open the action, cock it, while holding the hammer pull the trigger all the way and while holding the trigger vack allow the hammer to go forward and push it into the firing pin. You should see the pin come out.

Now release the trigger and hammer. Does the pin snap in easily.

If the answer is yes...try another box of ammunition.

If you still have the same problem, you might have a headspace problem. Check the Faq to look at that but I wouldn't fix it. Let H&R do it.

[quickdtoo]

Remington ammo has been plagued with problems for the last couple years, dunno if the primers are to blame, but I'd blame them if the rifle has plenty of pin protrusion and the pin strikes are nice and deep, I've had a LOT of rem 9½ primers fail to fire. It could also be a combination of issues starting with a chamber that's cut slightly too deep allowing too much headspace, when a round is in the chamber, is it flush with the barrel face, or slightly recessed? If it's recessed, that in combination with any barrel to frame gap can lead to no fires, it's not uncommon and needs to be addressed by H&R.

Tim

[zackyholdem]

thank you for your help thusfar.

after examining the shells all of the pin indentations in the unfired shells and the fired shells are in the same position and they are of the same depth. i was alligning the 30-06 stamping on the cartridge with the extractror so i could compare pin indentation placement. 

i tried to fire each shell a second time right after the first attempt and ALL of the shells did not fire after a second attempt.

i opened the action and cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger multiple times and each time the pin acted properly, also with the hammer cocked i pushed the transfer bar into the firing pin and the pin went forward and snapped back into palce promptly.

it it just hard for me to believe that 7 of 17 rounds would misfire and then 4 rounds in a row would misfire and this led me to believe that it was a problem with the gun and not the ammunition.

if it is a headspace issue then what would h&r do to fix the problem, also does anyone know how long this would take to fix because deer season starts nov 15 and i dont have a backup gun, would i be better off returning the gun and ordering a new one.

Thanks Zack

[peternap]

Zack, try what Tim suggested and get a fresh box of ammo. I'd bet that's your problem and it's a quick fix before Deer season. If it doesn't cure it, insist Cabelas give you a new rifle. They may!

[quickdtoo]

As Peternap originally suggested, try some different ammo, Fusion 150gr shoot real good in my 30-06 Handi, it would be my first choice if something different that the Rem ammo.

They'd replace the barrel, that's their only option if it's a headspace problem, IF they have the barrel in stock, you could have it back in as little as 2 weeks, they put repairs ahead of barrel fitting and production, even barrel fittings are taking 30 days if you check the Ilion poll sticky. If you're the DIY type, you can modify an extractor to hold the case against the standing breech, if you're interested in that, let me know, I've done it on a few barrels. 

Tim

[zackyholdem]

thank you for all of your help,

i will go to cabelas tomorrow and talk to them, i want them to examine the headspace for themselves and determine if that is the problem before i go and spend more money on ammo,  i have a 30 day window to return a defective firearm and they will replace it for free, after that they will help me get it repaired for free. my 30 day window is fast approaching and i would like to get the problem resolved within that timeframe so that i can force cabelas to stand by their return policy, i leery that i may not get good service from cabelas once my return policy runs out.

Thanks Zack

[peternap]

When you go, take the box of shells including the ones that didn't fire.

Good Luck!

[OBXPilgrim]

If you're the DIY type, you can modify an extractor to hold the case against the standing breech, if you're interested in that, let me know, I've done it on a few barrels. 

Tim

I'm not so sure that would be a good idea on a rimless cartridge.  I'd do it on a rimmed chambering, but not a rimless - if it is a headspace problem, you're asking for it.

[quickdtoo]

It works fine on my 35 Whelen Improved and the 6.5x55. 

Tim