Author Topic: h&r buffalo classic 45 lc ? (Read 2853 times)

j350hp · « **on:** September 30, 2009, 04:00:14 PM »

do u think this gun can handle the +p loads of buffalo bore.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=149

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2009, 04:05:57 PM »

Do the bears on TV use Charmin? Why sure it can, have you read Tim and CW talk about reaming theirs to 454 Casull? Trust me, that is loaded hotter than the 45 + P load. DP

cwlongshot · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2009, 04:21:02 PM »

In a word... YUP!!

As usual, DP is correct. I re-chambered mine to 454 Casull and Tim went all out.. 460 S&W mag!!!! Both more then triple the pressures of the 45 Colt and some loadings double (Plus a bit) the accepted max for +P loadings.

CW

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2009, 04:50:13 PM »

Absolutely!

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2009, 07:22:59 AM »

I've got a load that is the twin of the Buffalo bore 360gr .454 only in 45Colt that I shoot out of mine and it is a THUMPER worked it up for 60yrd deer load found that it will work very well to 100yrds.
So as CW say YUP!!! Kurt

j350hp · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:12:22 PM »

oh yeah thanks guys im goin to look into gettin a 45 colt round i was kinda torn between it and the 44 mag.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:22:37 PM »

Quote from: j350hp on October 01, 2009, 04:12:22 PM

oh yeah thanks guys im goin to look into gettin a 45 colt round i was kinda torn between it and the 44 mag.

For me there is simply no comparison. I have never held the big44 is much reguard. The 45Colt is THE cartridge others are measured by. If you twisted my arm and forced it from me, the 44mag and the 45Colt will do the same things. IMHO, the 45 gets a slight nod for the ultra heavy weights.

Either will likely do all you need from this "caliber" of caliber.

I'll suggest the 45COLT!!

CW

petemi · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2009, 01:52:26 AM »

Tim took my .44mag to .445 SM......You guys know the answer....where does it fit in this picture?

Thanks,

Pete

Tom Threetoes · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2009, 02:46:43 AM »

A .45 Colt carbine is my only Handi. I haven't done a whole lot of load testing yet but so far it looks like a shooter. It can handle a big dose of WW296. I'd like to get close to 2000fps with a 250 grain XTP. I know it can handle more than the stoutest revolver loads. (edited to add) I can't find my original data, but it looks like I was about 250fps too fast, 1750 is about tops.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2009, 02:48:55 AM »

I'm having a ball with my .45 Colt right now. I picked up some 250 grain Hornady XTP's that I'm going to load up tonight and head to the range tomorrow. I've never shot the 44 Handi but you can't go wrong with the 45, I love mine!

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:08:19 AM »

Quote from: Tom Threetoes on October 02, 2009, 02:46:43 AM

A .45 Colt carbine is my only Handi. I haven't done a whole lot of load testing yet but so far it looks like a shooter. It can handle a big dose of WW296. I'd like to get close to 2000fps with a 250 grain XTP. I know it can handle more than the stoutest revolver loads.

Tom,
That should be doable, Tim (Quickdtoo) got 1900+ fps with a 250 grain SST bullet and a max load of Lil'gun. I haven't had mine very long so I haven't been able to a lot of load testing yet either. I've only played with Unique powder and cast bullets so far. I'm going to try some 250 grain XTP's with Unique this weekend and at some point pick up a slower burning powder like 2400, H4227 or Lil'gun and try those.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2009, 04:51:11 AM »

Quote from: petemi on October 02, 2009, 01:52:26 AM

Tim took my .44mag to .445 SM......You guys know the answer....where does it fit in this picture?

Thanks,

Pete

Digger gets 1975fps with the 300gr XTP in his 445 Supermag.

Tim

petemi · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:27:01 AM »

I'm quite happily impressed with that. Thank you, Tim. That's pretty close to a respectable .45-70. I've got to check with Reeds and find out when I can expect my .445 ammo. Should be very impressive on Whitetails. I could take one now with my .455 "Bow", but I'll be a good guy and wait til Nov 15.

Pete

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2009, 07:57:37 AM »

Tom Threetoes, If you are going to push that bullet weight that fast, the Hornady 240gr MAG is made for the 454 Casull and will perform at that speed. The 250 gr is made to "work" at lower velocity. It will expand to violently at 2000fps and limit penetration. DP

j350hp · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2009, 09:57:38 AM »

thanks guys

Tom Threetoes · « **Reply #15 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:06:04 PM »

dpe.ahoy, how fast do you think I can go with the 250 without having problems?

cwlongshot · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:53:21 AM »

I agree with DP. IMHO, That bullet is designed for 45 COLT velocities. (Hornady supplies a little scrap of paper in XTP bullet boxes with intended velocity ranges for all XTP bullets.) SO max of 1100 is its intention. Probably OK up to 1300 but your definitely over that. I agree, switch to a Casull designed bullet for these ballistics if your hunting with it!!

CW

Tom Threetoes · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:36:32 AM »

Thanks guys! I'll save the 250s for vermin and get me some 240s.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2009, 09:06:39 AM »

CW nailed it.

DP

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:49:52 PM »

Excellent discussion here guys, I've been trying to learn as much as possible about the 45 Colt as I will be hunting with it this fall. I just bought some 250 grain XTP bullets and was considering using them if they're accurate. It's been pouring here all day so I didn't make it to the range to try them out yet. Just thought I'd share something I found about the XTP's on the web. This website - http://www.randywakeman.com/ballltd51.htm shows a graph with velocity ratings for the XTP bullets. I couldn't find the graph on Hornady's website but he claims it's Hornady's graph. It shows the 250 grain XTP being rated from 750 fps up to 1600 fps. It shows the 240 grain XTP/MAG being rated from 1100 fps to 2100 fps.

wreckhog · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:34:34 PM »

Verrry nice chart.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2009, 03:08:06 PM »

I put the factory buckhorn rear sight back on today, the WGRS didn't work with the .570" front sight, it was too short. Unfortunately that's the tallest 3/8" dovetail front sight Marble's or Williams makes.

My 45 Colt likes the 250 grain XTP's. I shot 2 different loads today, 9.3 grains and 9.8 grains of Unique. It liked the 9.8 grain load better. It shot a perfect cloverleaf at 25 yards and a 1" group at 50 yards with the factory open sights.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:03:38 PM »

With that load, I think the 250's will work for ya. DP

wganz · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2009, 03:45:58 PM »

If you want .45-70 velocity with 300+ grain bullets, why not simply buy a .45-70 barrel?

The only compelling reason to rechamber .45 LC ~> .454 Casull is if you have a revolver in that caliber. Otherwise, .45-70 brass&ammo is cheaper plus safer to use at the power levels you're trying to achieve.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:54:04 PM »

Quote from: wganz link=topic=184331.msg 1098907630#msg 1098907630 date=1254793558

If you want .45-70 velocity with 300+ grain bullets, why not simply buy a .45-70 barrel?

The only compelling reason to re-chamber .45 LC ~> .454 Casull is if you have a revolver in that caliber. Otherwise, .45-70 brass&ammo is cheaper plus safer to use at the power levels you're trying to achieve.

This a dangerous line of thinking here in handyland.

Along this same line of thinking, you will soon discover that all we really "need" is a 22Rf, a 30-06 and a 12Ga. Now how would that be for a dyed in the wool handi haulic??? HUMMMM...

Of coarse you are completely correct in your comments. (Having a 45-70 is the reason I only went to 454 and not 460 as Tim did.) But where is the fun in it?? Safely experimenting and trying different things is where the fun starts. Loosen up and bit and give this stuff a try, you may just like the process!!

good luck,
CW

AtlLaw · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2009, 06:56:06 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on October 05, 2009, 11:54:04 PM

experimenting and trying different things is where the fun starts. Loosen up and bit and give this stuff a try, you may just like the process!!

You know Bri... I said the same exact thing to a whole bunch a wimmins back in the day... $:-\$

I hope wganz listens better then most of them did...

Justin · « **Reply #26 on:** October 10, 2009, 11:36:05 AM »

Yes it will i too reamed it to 454 and love it too. I also have a 357 the i took to 357 MAX and it also is a great shooter. Olny thing i did different was i changed the shock out. But all and all i love it!!!!

Tom Threetoes · « **Reply #27 on:** October 10, 2009, 02:06:07 PM »

I took you guys' advice and bought some 240 XTP mags today. I noticed there was some 200gr SSTs on the shelf. Has anybody tried those in the .45Colt?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** October 10, 2009, 02:55:17 PM »

The 200gr SST is a .40 cal bullet, there is a 200gr FTX tho, I've got some for my 460S&W H&R, but haven't shot them yet, I get nearly 2900fps with their 200gr FTX ammo, but accuracy isn't great.

Tim

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=789

https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_session=3a857064fa27c07c45af1fd0522635b9&page=shop%2Fbrowse&category_id=b2185ffee98429386ec671e50820f1a1

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 11, 2009, 04:27:38 AM »

Quote from: Tom Threetoes on October 10, 2009, 02:06:07 PM

I took you guys' advice and bought some 240 XTP mags today. I noticed there was some 200gr SSTs on the shelf. Has anybody tried those in the .45Colt?

Let us know how they work out