Author Topic: The great 90 second Hog Hunt (Read 2552 times)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #30 on:** February 19, 2009, 05:57:15 AM »

You need to meet some of my neighbors they borrow everything !

gstewart44 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 19, 2009, 06:30:55 AM »

I have used the 17HMR, 20 gr XTP on one hog (~120 lbs) once. I didn't plan it but I was out eliminating some pesky raccoons that were destroying our hanging feeders and the sow came up and started rooting around the feeder. I was in a solid stand with a rest and she presented broadside at 40 yds. I placed the scope on her ear and bang flop.

the 17HMR would never be my first choice as a pig gun, especially when I'am on the ground. this was just a target of opportunity with ideal conditions.

When we clean the pig we opened up the skull and found fragments of the bullet all around with scrambled brains. There was no exit.

I would choose my 4570 any day for an intentional hog hunt.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #32 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:08:22 AM »

shame to waste brains , they go great with eggs

petemi · « **Reply #33 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:36:23 AM »

Carl, I am sorry. Sincererly. I shoot V-Max only and was thinking in terms of that. I could just see that little frangible bullet going to pieces in front of his eyes.

Quote from: Datil on February 19, 2009, 05:24:43 AM

Pete, I can not think a farm family doesn't a fire arm of some sort.
or a chain to drag that piggy iout of the barn, congrats on being a good neigbor.
Good luck Marv.

Yes Marv, I cant' figure it......especially since I GAVE them a rifle about a dozen years ago........Plus they're loggers......ever see a logger without a chain?

The rifle is probably in the pump house, along with the circuit breaker panel I gave them, and I know the panel is rusted out beyond use.

Farmers without guns seems to be a common malady around here. A dozen years ago, my neighboring farmer (helps farm my land to this day), Jon, asked me to help patrol his lambing ewes for coyotes. We, Patty and I did. They owned no guns......1000 acres of farmland and woodlot and no guns.I said "Jon, get yourself a 12 ga. shotgun and a Swede. That'll take care of all the problems."
They milk almost 400 head 3 times a day, have beef, sheep, pigs, chickens, etc......no guns. I can't tell you how many critters I've shot for them, both wild and domestic. About two weeks ago he came over and asked if I would shoot pigeons and starlings around the barns and silos. They loose tons of feed each year to those pests.......again, no shotgun. These are well educated people on top of it.

Pete

quickdtoo · « **Reply #34 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:44:10 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on February 19, 2009, 08:08:22 AM

shame to waste brains , they go great with eggs

And mad cow disease!!

Tim

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:45:44 AM »

HOG BRAINS !

I agree with ya .

gstewart44 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:49:36 AM »

Unusual behavior compared to the farmers and ranchers I have known. Even my wife's grandfather in Vermont kept a H&R 12 g in the basement for the critters that ravaged his 10 acre "garden". He did not like to hunt at all but he would use the shotgun for pests.

Pete - have you asked him why he doesn't use a gun? Just curious....maybe he doesn't like to do the actual pulling of the trigger - Let us know if you find out.

petemi · « **Reply #37 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:52:29 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on February 19, 2009, 08:45:44 AM

HOG BRAINS !

I agree with ya .

You guys are right!! They're best prescrambled by a .45-70

Pete

petemi · « **Reply #38 on:** February 19, 2009, 09:00:04 AM »

Quote from: gstewart44 on February 19, 2009, 08:49:36 AM

Unusual behavior compared to the farmers and ranchers I have known. Even my wife's grandfather in Vermont kept a H&R 12 g in the basement for the critters that ravaged his 10 acre "garden". He did not like to hunt at all but he would use the shotgun for pests.

Pete - have you asked him why he doesn't use a gun? Just curious....maybe he doesn't like to do the actual pulling of the trigger - Let us know if you find out.

Jon and I have been over this a dozen times. He seems to have no problem shooting a gun or killing a critter. It seems to be more of a priority first, logistics thing....can't get there now, have a cow in difficulty calving, need to get the hay in etc., etc, kind of thing. Anyhow, Patty and I are his Hired (for free) guns.

They do a great job on my place, and I can only reciprocate by solving their gun need problems.

Pete

gstewart44 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 19, 2009, 09:09:48 AM »

that's great Pete. This country needs many more good neighbors helping each other out.

I remember times such as that in my youth in rural NC. My grandfather had a small farm as did the neighbors around him. Everyone knew everyone else and were more like a huge extended family. When my grandfather had his stroke and became bedridden, my grandma ran the farm. She made her own corn whiskey, tended the vegatble garden and ran the hired help in the tobacco fields, and did this while taking care of grandpa.

When it was time for butchering hogs she would invite a couple of the families over. The men would kill and butcher the hog for her. She would feed them and send them home with fresh pork.

She would make some fine sausage put it up in the smokehouse for curing.....I can still smell it now.

petemi · « **Reply #40 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:03:06 AM »

Life is still mostly like that around here. It's the biggest reason I love it here. People know each other, and help when needed. You won't find that in the cities. There, people don't even know who lives next door to them.

gstewart44, those are fine memories....cherish them!

Pete

pricecw · « **Reply #41 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:22:13 AM »

Quote from: petemi on February 19, 2009, 08:36:23 AM

Carl, I am sorry. Sincererly. I shoot V-Max only and was thinking in terms of that. I could just see that little frangible bullet going to pieces in front of his eyes.

Pete, no problem. Yes, I would probably never do it with the V-Max. Having shot them into ballistics gel, I don't think I would shoot a 'yote with one (although I do love them on the ground squirrels, they excel at that task). The little 20gr bullets are a much different beast, I had them on hand at the time, because I had bought them to take out and shoot the gel and see how they behaved, thinking they might be a good round for the occasional 'yote or fox without destroying the fur.

Anyway, I also can't even think about questioning your round of choice. For a pig that big, rampaging, I would have probably grabbed the 450 Marlin Guide gun.

Pete, you sound like a good neighbor, I think we need more people willing to help a neighbor in this country, would probably go a long way to solving some of our issues.

--Carl

petemi · « **Reply #42 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:52:54 AM »

Carl, yes, we need to always be there for our brothers and sisters. Life is going to be tough for a while and we'll need to lean on each other. It seems ironic.....during the 50's when I was a kid, they were anticipating a 4 day work week. Ya gotta remember, Mom was home with the kids....one income, and a 4 day week. Can we ever get back to that??

Pete

wtroger · « **Reply #43 on:** February 19, 2009, 11:06:29 AM »

I suspect you will find the bullet hole in the door. My old huntin buddy, may he rest in peace. He would have been 100 years old this month. Told the story of a Large bull that foundered and died. He being a teenager took his dads 1886 Winchester in 45-70 and shot through that bull at several different angles including stem to stern and all bullets exited. These where standard Winchester black powder 405 gr lead bullet loads. So I imagine that any of the modern loads with jacketed bullets would perform as well or better. We all know it is about bullet placement a .22 will kill anything if placed right. the bigger calibers just give you a little more fudge room.

petemi · « **Reply #44 on:** February 19, 2009, 11:24:07 AM »

I haven't gone down there yet to look, but I KNOW there's a bullet hole in that door. It's been really wintery here today...snowin' and blowin'. The super hard part of the whole thing was to get the P.O.ed hog away from people, other livestock, tractors and equipment,the house, cars, trucks, etc. I figured a small hole in a door wouldn't be too bad. I don't know yet how big that "small" hole is

Pete

gendoc · « **Reply #45 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:24:42 PM »

if you shoot hawgs with a hmr, you better be in a tree!!!!!!!!
sure it will go in the head, in some spots. but i doubt it will penetrate the shoulder plate!!!
i won't try it to see. i know better!!!!!
45/70= clean kill

and use'n a hmr 1-shooter

better have a good back-up

Skunk · « **Reply #46 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:38:04 PM »

WTG!! Very neighborly of you there Pete. Hope they give you a nice ham or some pork chops.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:00:16 AM »

Quote from: gendoc on February 19, 2009, 01:24:42 PM

if you shoot hawgs with a hmr, you better be in a tree!!!!!!!!
sure it will go in the head, in some spots. but i doubt it will penetrate the shoulder plate!!!
i won't try it to see. i know better!!!!!
45/70= clean kill

and use'n a hmr 1-shooter
better have a good back-up

Like I said above the 17HMR for hogs is never a first choice. Having used the 17 on many varmints over the past 3 years and one hog I have surmised the following:

20 gr XTP bullets only. They will penetrate a hog skull from the side to disrupt his thinking. I never use 17 gr bullets any more....too little penetration for me.

For all small varmints I place it in the lungs/body shot;out to 125 yds

for any critter larger, bobcat/yote/small hog it only goes in/just below the ear from a broadside shot at under 50 yds. Otherwise I don't take it. I think a shoulder shot on a pig with a 17 would only yield a really PO'd pig that might eventually die a rather slow death.

fish280 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:45:31 PM »

Nice work with the handi ...

petemi · « **Reply #49 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:48:08 AM »

Thanks Fish, and all of you. It wasn't anything heroic. It just needed to be done then.

Pete

xit · « **Reply #50 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:08:50 PM »

Good to help out out Pete. Back to the .17HMR. I personally shot two cows with one. The first cow was very old and dieing anyway and dropped instantly but really wasn't dead as she kept breathing. The second cow was about ten years old and a miserable old cripple who was very much alive. I don't remember the exact number of bullets before she finally went down but I believe it was really close to double digits. I was getting pretty panicky and feeling real bad about the whole thing. I will never take a seventeen for a serious job like that again. It is an awesome round and really fun but not when trying to penetrate a cows skull. 45/70 was a great call.

pricecw · « **Reply #51 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:02:07 PM »

What bullet were you using in the HMR on the cows?

--Carl

tykempster · « **Reply #52 on:** February 22, 2009, 07:28:48 AM »

If the 45-70 ever fails, just call me.

xit · « **Reply #53 on:** February 22, 2009, 08:09:45 AM »

It was the fast plastic tipped hornady. It is possible the hollow points would have done better $:-\$

pricecw · « **Reply #54 on:** February 22, 2009, 10:23:16 AM »

Yep, I think the v-max are just to frangible for use on big animals. Like everything, bullet selection is crucial, just like using varmint bullets on big game.

--Carl

petemi · « **Reply #55 on:** February 22, 2009, 12:17:30 PM »

Quote from: tykempster on February 22, 2009, 07:28:48 AM

If the 45-70 ever fails, just call me.

I haven't had any water buffalo in the north forty recently, but it they show up, I'll give a holler.

Pete

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #56 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:36:41 AM »

Pete if I ever get that far North I am going outta my way to stop and meet you and your wife, You sound like good people to me.

Sourdough · « **Reply #57 on:** February 23, 2009, 05:32:12 AM »

If it was the only thing I had availiable I'd use the .17HMR. But I would want to be where I was protected. The 45-70 was the better choice.

Keep thinking what is going to happen the next time I run into a Grizzly when I am only carrying the .17 HMR.

Qaz · « **Reply #58 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:59:08 AM »

Sorry folks, but I have shot over 25 head of cattle and sheep on various farms in the area in the last 5 years and use the 17 HMR and a 22lr in the Hyper velocity Aguila 30gr solids and both will put a 1,600lb bull or a 300-350lb Suffolk Ram down right now and you don't have to be standing right beside them! There is no hog skull that is as thick as either a bulls or a rams. I had explained how to do it, but after reading the posts up until now, I will keep this info to myself. It sounds like most here need to stay with a bigger round.
The little 17HMR is capable of far more than what it is used for, most people just don't understand how to use it. I wouldn't even consider using a 45/70 inside a barn. I don't know any farmer that would!

petemi · « **Reply #59 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:11:33 AM »

Quote from: Qaz on February 23, 2009, 06:59:08 AM

Sorry folks, but I have shot over 25 head of cattle and sheep on various farms in the area in the last 5 years and use the 17 HMR and a 22lr in the Hyper velocity Aguila 30gr solids and both will put a 1,600lb bull or a 300-350lb Suffolk Ram down right now and you don't have to be standing right beside them! There is no hog skull that is as thick as either a bulls or a rams. I had explained how to do it, but after reading the posts up until now, I will keep this info to myself. It sounds like most here need to stay with a bigger round.
The little 17HMR is capable of far more than what it is used for, most people just don't understand how to use it. I wouldn't even consider using a 45/70 inside a barn. I don't know any farmer that would!

Well I'm a farmer and I did use the .45-70 in a barn, so now you know one. I had a 12 year old girl and woman and a man trying to control that hog. There's no way I'd have tried anything less. He was wrecking equipment and pens when I got there. If you showed up on my place with a .17HMR to slaugher my animals, I'd run you off. I have more respect for the critters.

Pete