Author Topic: Caliber for IL deer? (Read 8608 times)

Dan Chamberlain · « **Reply #60 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:42:39 AM »

I have the magic round! It's the .45-70 from a Contender! Or, the .44 Mag from the Contender or any number of good revolvers. Nothing more is needed...but if it is, the .460 comes close to ideal in the Encore!

The dilemma is "reloaded" ammo. In a dozen years in the Shawnee, I've only seen a warden one time! My "reloads" look just like factory so I doubt a warden would know the difference. And yes...I'd lie to one.

Dan

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #61 on:** March 01, 2008, 05:20:59 AM »

I always did precieve the laws to be read as
1. Being avalible as a factory round
and
2. Being able to produce 500ft lbs at the muzzle.

Our original question about this post was what was legal in the bottle neck and we have had some good responces although the DNR could maybe clarifie this a bit more.
IMO, and in my dealings with them, they are pretty much a do as you say, say as you do group and if the cartrige is avalible as factory and will fit into the 1.4" box, I think we are good to go on the reloads providing that it meets the .30 cal 500ft lb minimums as said. Straight wall's are exempt of course and are held in check on the lower end by the ft lb ruling.

While I intend to stick with the straight wall's in either the .44 or .45, my reloads also look like factory if not a bit cleaner. Unless you would run into that warden who is brand-new with a Barney Fife mentallity, I think that the most of them will treat this issue with common sense if they pinned you down on whether or not yours were reloads. Even if so, I think that the knowledge that you can provide concerning your round from the primer to the bullet along with the velocitys, energy, and trajectory that you are getting for you will leave most with the idea that you are competent, consience, and know what you are doing.

I think that the Wardens tend to be tougher on State approved public access areas as they are used to seeing a little bit of everything in the way of violations.

ted · « **Reply #62 on:** March 11, 2008, 08:30:34 AM »

Just curious, wouldn't the 357 Bain and Davis qualify? It is under 1.4 and is available as a round from one of the smaller companies I found on the internet (though costly for 50 rounds). ? certainly meets the 500 ft.pds. at the muzzle requirement too.

S.B. · « **Reply #63 on:** March 11, 2008, 03:22:23 PM »

Is there a factory loaded round in this caliber?

ted · « **Reply #64 on:** March 12, 2008, 08:30:43 AM »

Stars and Stripes Custom Ammunition will make it for you. they are a registered class 8 business. I mentioned earlier it is pricey. About $103-$173 for 50 rounds depending on what bullet you want. Will Illinois DNR accept this as a 'commercial' business is what I need to find out. I will call the DNR department and try to find out this week .

S.B. · « **Reply #65 on:** March 12, 2008, 12:18:27 PM »

I doubt it???

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #66 on:** March 13, 2008, 01:07:05 PM »

Ted when you call and get to talk to someone who thinks they are giving you the right answer make sure you have them put it in a statement on IDNR letter head have them sign it have them write who they are and what dept. they work for get a copy of their birth certificate and of their first born along with their mothers maiden name and have them mail it to ya with the official state seal embosed on said document not a copy you'll need the original . You'll need at least that to try and get the CPO to stop writing the ticket so as to not waste a day in court.Kurt

ted · « **Reply #67 on:** March 13, 2008, 02:13:54 PM »

To All,
I did call DNR and got connected to Officer Sherman (law enforcement) at the Springfield office. The number is 217-782-2965. I specifically mentioned the 357 B$D and he said it met the requirements. It is a case length under 1.4 inches. Is 30 caliber or bigger and has a foot pound of over 500 at the muzzle. It is commercially available and he said if a field officer questioned this then have a copy of the place the ammo is available from. I also mentioned about use of reloaded ammo and he said he gets that question a lot and that reloaded ammo is ok but, to make sure you have the manufacturing data available that shows it meets the 500 foot pounds at the muzzle requirement. This thread has been very extensive and this will probably not end comments about the original topic but, I am satisfied I can use the 357 B$D in Illinois. Just as a further note, it has been mentioned the 300 whisper and 30 BElLM are ok. They are not commercially available from a 'major' manufacturer but, are commercially available from smaller manufacturers and meet the other legal Illinois requirements. Very similar to the situation with the 357 B$D.

S.B. · « **Reply #68 on:** March 15, 2008, 03:18:29 AM »

Trouble with your theory is all CPOs and most office people for IDNR, see these laws and regulations their way, individually? The question you have to ask yourself is: Can I afford a couple of days off work{Jail, lawyers offices are closed on weekends and deer season usually is on the weekend) and can I do without my truck for a couple of days{they're going to confiscate it} are they going to treat my guns the way I inssit that someone treat my prized possessions(will they be in the same condition when I finally get them back)? These cops are vindictive and I've seen some that their gun handling leaves much to be desired. Remember, they(CPOs) have more police powers than any other cop in this state.

dstegjas · « **Reply #69 on:** March 15, 2008, 10:37:52 AM »

Does the 357 Maximum qualify in Illinois. The Diameter, Straight walled cartridge and energy wise I think it would. It was at least at one time a factory load. I don't know if that is still true these days. There is certainly load data available for it though. Just another cartridge to consider.

Jim

S.B. · « **Reply #70 on:** March 15, 2008, 10:59:18 AM »

The .357 magnum does so if the length is within specs, I would suspect, yes?

ILHunter · « **Reply #71 on:** March 15, 2008, 03:49:47 PM »

The .357 Max. is fine as it is a straight wall case. Reloaded ammo is fine.

S.B.- No one is getting their truck seized for hunting with a pistol a CPO thinks does not meet the reg's - ticket maybe. Sounds like deer camp or bar room lore stories. It takes serious violations -poaching deer from vehicle at night or out of season- to get a truck seized.

I know several CPOs and they are very sensible sportsmen and cops. Matter of fact they have alot of firearm knowledge and are strong 2nd Amend. supporters.
They are looking for bad guys!
IL Hunter

S.B. · « **Reply #72 on:** March 15, 2008, 04:22:01 PM »

Maybe in your area but, it's different up here? I'm close to Daley country. Your free to gamble any way you'd like. Blogojavich is depending on your type of thinking.
ILHunter, where in Illinois are you located, your profile doesn't list it?

ILHunter · « **Reply #73 on:** March 15, 2008, 04:48:46 PM »

I'm in central IL far from Daley country. I don't gamble.
What kind of thinking do I have that Blago would like?
ILHunter

S.B. · « **Reply #74 on:** March 15, 2008, 05:18:59 PM »

Trusting?

ILHunter · « **Reply #75 on:** March 16, 2008, 03:52:42 AM »

I never said or mentioned trust and especially in conjunction with the Gov. Blago!
I was merely making comment on my firsthand knowledge not rural legend/lore.
ILHunter

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #76 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:06:28 AM »

Ted ...and officer Sherman is sending you this statement on IDNR Letter Head?

? That's what is important while your standing there trying to expain to this officer what officer Sherman from Springfield told you. While he nods his head and agrees with you but continues to write the ticket saying you'll have to show that to the judge.All the while hoping your court date is set on a cold and windy day so he can be out of the elements.. Kurt

S.B. · « **Reply #77 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:39:02 AM »

I think all this discussion is preaching to the choir? In my limited experiences with the IDNR, arguing is fruitless.

Paladin · « **Reply #78 on:** March 16, 2008, 03:50:05 PM »

I"m in jersey county, my cousin has worked for the dnr for 30 years and I ask him about this. He didn't have a clue. makes ya wonder don't it. (and he hunts)

357 mag by the chart I have will make 505 ft lb at 1200 ft per sec with a 158 grain xtp

ILHunter · « **Reply #79 on:** March 17, 2008, 03:55:55 PM »

He might work for the DNR, but he is not a CPO. There are no current CPOs with 30 years.

Paladin · « **Reply #80 on:** March 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM »

I give up, the only way you notheads are going to learn is the hard way. good luck

ILHunter · « **Reply #81 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:03:44 AM »

As I said before alot of "Rural Myths" of what happens or does not happen. Under the daylight of truth it is usually a different story.
Happy Handgun Hunting! ILHunter

S.B. · « **Reply #82 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:39:07 AM »

Just like on soo many threads, here, lately, I doubt arguing or personal opinions are going to solve anything?

panman · « **Reply #83 on:** March 30, 2008, 12:04:37 PM »

I cant believe that no one has mentioned the 41MAG!!!.It sure can do the job,and is in the specks.
The 41MAG is almost the twin of the 44.The recoil is a lot tamer,and is a very good one,in ether a revolver,rifle,or single shot.pan.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #84 on:** March 31, 2008, 08:39:53 AM »

not really !

Graybeard · « **Reply #85 on:** October 23, 2008, 06:03:53 AM »

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rks1949 · « **Reply #86 on:** October 23, 2008, 06:31:43 AM »

A 44 Mag will do fine! I've used them ever since Il. has had a Handgun use law. Here's the sp[ecs. No Big Mistrey! Ron For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge
of .30 caliber or larger with a case
length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a
straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30
caliber or larger, both of which must be
available as a factory load with the published
ballistic tables of the manufacturer
showing a capability of at least 500 foot
pounds of energy at the muzzle. Note:
There is no case length limit for straightwalled
cartridges.
• Non-expanding, military-style full metal
jacket bullets cannot be used to harvest
white-tailed deer; only soft point or expanding
bullets (including copper/ copper-alloy
rounds designed for hunting) are legal
ammunition

ILHunter · « **Reply #87 on:** October 23, 2008, 09:10:58 AM »

I'm going to try a Encore handgun in .44mag this year. I do not reload and will not be shooting alot of .44 mags, so I got 1 50rd box of 240 SJSP by Magtech and 1 20rd box of 240gr JHP Fusions by Federal.
I think I'm going to use the SJSP Magtechs. I got a 3.5" group @ 100yds from a bench. I feel I can make a 100yd shot if I have a good rest, which I plan on taking an adjustable shooting stick with me.
ILHunter

poncaguy · « **Reply #88 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:00:11 PM »

357 Max.............

rks1949 · « **Reply #89 on:** October 24, 2008, 05:06:37 AM »

That's a good choice!

Ron