Bellm Encore/ProHunter Tune Up Kit

[Davemuzz]

See.....it's catching on already!

[nomosendero]

No, I did say thanks Dave & Dave! I read the other first & I think both are good ideas. And as you guys know that have read my posts in the past, that's as PC a comment as you will ever get from me!! 

Seriously, my main experience is bolt guns. I have learned alot from the TC forum including this info from the 2 of you & others as well.

Happy New Year!!!

[spy231]

Guys, thanks for all the good info. I don't think I am going to buy the upgrade kit. I just ordered my RCBS reloading kit and it should be here soon, so I think working up some good loads for it should help out a lot.

[sweetwyominghome]

TC Dave1 wrote:"I am guilty of trying an oversize pin. I saw no improvement in accuracy. It did hurt the resell as far as I am concerned"

If it hurt the resale value, you obviously did not know how to properly install it.

Installed PROPERLY, one can never tell what pin has or hasn't been in the frame.
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And as to anyone documenting test results on this site regarding products sold by the man whose name is forever censored, let's just say those results must be considered as anything but unbiased considering the history of what occurred here a few years back.

To boot, at one point TC realized that the hinge pin may be a weak link in the accuracy department and even offered "match pins" that were -- you guessed it -- slightly oversized. They were not offered for long, but they certainly were made available by TC. I'd wager that if they were reintroduced today by TC and still called "match" pins, folks would claim they were the best thing since sliced bread and flock to them like sheep to clover -- including the naysayers and Bellm-bashers.

[David D.]

TC Dave1 wrote:"I am guilty of trying an oversize pin. I saw no improvement in accuracy. It did hurt the resell as far as I am concerned"

If it hurt the resale value, you obviously did not know how to properly install it.

 

With all due respect Sir, Thank you for your opinion.

I did not state the frame or barrel was damaged. I do have more sense than to force something to the point I will damage my gun. I still own and shoot the pistol. It dose not bother me that the pin is in there and yes it was installed PROPER with no damage to the frame or barrel.  I did state it done nothing for MY accuracy. If it works for others, that's great!!!  I have not, nor will state they have not helped some. I am not here to put down nor bash anyone!!!!  Any post I make will be with the up most respect to others.

As far as resale value, most people I know will NOT buy an Encore or Tender that has had an oversize pin put in it. Nor will I!!! I have no plans on ever selling any of my TC's, but if I did I would be up front and tell whoever what each and ever frame has had done to it.

[rks1949]

To boot, at one point TC realized that the hinge pin may be a weak link in the accuracy department and even offered "match pins" that were -- you guessed it -- slightly oversized. They were not offered for long, but they certainly were made available by TC.                            Yes they were,and No, most people didn't get good results using them,that's why they weren't offered for very long by T/C. Ron

[Davemuzz]

No, I did say thanks Dave & Dave! I read the other first & I think both are good ideas. And as you guys know that have read my posts in the past, that's as PC a comment as you will ever get from me!! 

Seriously, my main experience is bolt guns. I have learned alot from the TC forum including this info from the 2 of you & others as well.

Happy New Year!!!

Nomo,

Thanks.....I was just jerkin your chain. Happy new year to you and yours as well.

Dave

[Qtip]

Well  the oversized hinge pin did the trick on both my 308 and 20 ga. slug barrel. To me firearms are like people. Each one is an individual with their own little quirks. Prior to the hinge pin my groups were erratic; and that's after a trigger job. What works for one particular gun may not work on another one that is identical.  Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. On my gun it worked; that's all I know or care to know.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

[sweetwyominghome]

rks1949 wrote: "most people didn't get good results using them,that's why they weren't offered for very long by T/C. Ron"

Ron-I always do my homework before I speak, and I can tell you the reason TC discontinued them is NOT due to what you claim.

TC had outsourced these match pins, had problems with the vendor and eventually realized their slim profit margin on them wasn't worth the hassle with missed deadlines and products that weren't up to their standards.

It's that simple. But you can check it out for yourself if you'd like.

[sweetwyominghome]

TC Dave 1-

If my earlier post seemed disrespectful, I do apologize. When you said it "hurt its resell value," one would surmise that you did indeed try to sell the frame and ran into a problem. But I see what you actually meant to say was that you will now not consider it for a possible sale.

But if you ever need to sell it, you can keep me in mind. I've had ample experience with the pins -- enough to know that a properly-installed pin won't hurt a thing. It will not affect the potential value in my books...

 

[sweetwyominghome]

Qtip qwrote: "Well  the oversized hinge pin did the trick on both my 308 and 20 ga. slug barrel. To me firearms are like people. Each one is an individual with their own little quirks. Prior to the hinge pin my groups were erratic; and that's after a trigger job. What works for one particular gun may not work on another one that is identical.  Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. On my gun it worked; that's all I know or care to know."

Well stated...

[Davemuzz]

Qtip qwrote: "Well  the oversized hinge pin did the trick on both my 308 and 20 ga. slug barrel. To me firearms are like people. Each one is an individual with their own little quirks. Prior to the hinge pin my groups were erratic; and that's after a trigger job. What works for one particular gun may not work on another one that is identical.  Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. On my gun it worked; that's all I know or care to know."

Well stated...

I've NEVER seen any gun that would not shoot better than factory, and sub-MOA with a good trigger job, floated barrel, bedded action AND a good hand-loaded cartridge.

Dave

[rks1949]

rks1949 wrote: "most people didn't get good results using them,that's why they weren't offered for very long by T/C. Ron"

Ron-I always do my homework before I speak, and I can tell you the reason TC discontinued them is NOT due to what you claim.

TC had outsourced these match pins, had problems with the vendor and eventually realized their slim profit margin on them wasn't worth the hassle with missed deadlines and products that weren't up to their standards.

It's that simple. But you can check it out for yourself if you'd like.

That's TRUE,along with what I mentioned too. I had many come into the shop,wanting them in guns that were shooting good, already (looking for more accuracy). I've also had many shooters claim their guns wouldn't shoot,only to take it to the range and find it was "shooter error"! Some left happy with the new information,some left mad. Most shot the guns off rest,and never placed the forearm in the rest in the  same place two shots in a row. Some had really inaccurate hand loads,and the gun really performed well with the right ammo,after a little experimenting. My personal Contender has had thousands of rounds (I really have no idea how many) with a Super 14 44 mag barrel,and a 7mmTCU barrel on the frame, (all max loads.) I've replaced about every spring in the frame,and a few parts. I now have a Super 14 barrel in .223 cal. mounted in the frame. The gun is still using the Original pin,and will shoot under an inch at 100yds. (if I do my part). Ron

[David D.]

But if you ever need to sell it, you can keep me in mind. I've had ample experience with the pins -- enough to know that a properly-installed pin won't hurt a thing. It will not affect the potential value in my books...

 
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Sell my guns!!!! NEVER L.O.L. My boat, my truck, or my dog maybe, but NEVER my guns!!!!