Author Topic: better gun? (Read 1770 times)

marinemagnum · « **on:** September 02, 2007, 11:47:30 AM »

I am fixing to buy a new gun, and I was wondering which would be a better choice between a 870 marine magnum and a mossberg 590.

Swampman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 02, 2007, 11:48:56 AM »

Remington is way better.

marinemagnum · « **Reply #2 on:** September 02, 2007, 11:54:50 AM »

Thats what I thought. Thanks.

cankiller · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2007, 12:04:57 PM »

then why do the Marines use the 590

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #4 on:** September 02, 2007, 12:30:07 PM »

Quote from: cankiller on September 02, 2007, 12:04:57 PM

then why do the Marines use the 590

The government contract goes to the lowest bidder?

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2007, 04:59:34 PM »

Exactly!

dougk · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2007, 10:24:14 PM »

Which one felt better to you? When I handled both I liked the 870 better.

dukkillr · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2007, 06:09:02 AM »

870 is the best of the two, the BPS is the best on the market.

marinemagnum · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2007, 11:49:16 AM »

what is an average price for the bps and which would be a better deer gun also?

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2007, 12:45:22 PM »

The BPS is made in Japan. It is not better than a Remington. It is very expensive though.

30-06man · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2007, 12:55:43 PM »

i like both guns. a bps will run $300 used or more and around $500 new. the 870 is the best i have owned a 20ga for doves and quail and a 12 3 1/2 mag 870 for turkey and deer. both nice guns.

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:28:21 PM »

My BPS is smoother than any 870 I have ever laid my hands on. I also love the bottom eject and thumb safety. I gladly sold my 870 after holding a BPS for the first time. Yes it is japanese but then again some of the 870 expresses I have held were of way lower quality.
Ever short pump an 870 and get the shell stuck??? enough said!

30-06man · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2007, 01:58:13 PM »

then i guess you haven't held a wingmaster? but the bps is a good gun. i just don't like the bottom eject i like side. and if you don't want it to jam don't short pump. i have never had that problem though

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #13 on:** September 03, 2007, 02:25:20 PM »

The old Rem 31 was a smooth pump, the 870 yes even a wingmaster and I have owned several is not as smooth as the 31 or BPS.
What is not to like about bottom eject?
If you have not short pumped an 870 you will and you will have to remove the barrel and shells in the magazine to fix it unless you carry a pocket screwdriver.

Swampman · « **Reply #14 on:** September 03, 2007, 02:34:21 PM »

In over 30 years of shooting 870s, I've never had a failure to feed or fire. I don't buy foreign made products if I can help it. I guess I'll never know what I missed.

marinemagnum · « **Reply #15 on:** September 03, 2007, 02:55:03 PM »

I try not to buy foreign products either, but if its the best on the market, why not? I used to own a wingmaster 20ga and I loved it. I also like the look of the stainless that the marine magnums have. I am just trying to figure out which route would be the best way for me to go. Thanks for all of the input guys.

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2007, 03:15:42 PM »

I sell an American made product and use that in my sales pitch.
In today's world where the American worker is more worried about taking a break than producing quality I let the product speak for it's self.
If you can handle all of the guns you are interested in buying, operate each and shoulder them. The way each gun fits you may be the deciding factor. If you can find someone at your gun club that owns one and will let you shoot it better yet!

30-06man · « **Reply #17 on:** September 03, 2007, 03:35:28 PM »

hairtrigger you crossed the line there. listin i worked at a factory that was full of hard working men tring to make a living and not complaining and some idiot says that they can make the product better in china because were complaining well no were not. were just tring to make a living for our families and earn what we deserved. well they closed down and i lost my pension that i worked 24 years for i just lost it. see that's whats wrong people think that well since he works in a factory hes stupid and lazy and all he does is complain. well no we don't its the media and the government who sees it that way. they make people think that and then it makes more people lose jobs. then we get paid less or our less government for jobs because illegal immigrant's come and work for less. its not just well Americans are lazy and complain well forget it if anyone thinks that then go work in a plant then lose that job and what you worked for then see ok before you make a comment like that. i didn't say anything about the product being made in japan. i have shot the bps its a good gun just not to my what i would suggest. it todays world people would rather buy junk a little cheaper than quality a little more expensive. you are enitalted to your opioen so am i. i don't like the comment though

30-06man · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2007, 03:36:55 PM »

ohh yeah the 870 is a good gun so is the mossburg i would go ahead and get the mossburg or the 870. both are tried and tested. why would i short pump theres no need. and i don't like shells falling on me while i am shooting at least the 870 ejects them away. its instint i guess i just don't i shoot hundreds of rounds through the 870 and never had any problems

marinemagnum · « **Reply #19 on:** September 03, 2007, 03:38:37 PM »

If you buy something over seas that takes away form american jobs.

30-06man · « **Reply #20 on:** September 03, 2007, 03:41:59 PM »

yes it does. ill buy a browning but i am not out there just buying over seas stuff. like china you see what there doing they don't care they put waste and hazard materials in our stuff. its killing people and causing problems. at the rate the usa is going we will be a 3rd world country and china will be on top.

Questor · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2007, 04:21:59 AM »

It looks like this is getting a bit religious in tone. We have a Mossberg, a BPS, and I've used the 870. Here's my take:
1) The Mossberg is a great value for the money for the occasional shooter. It doesn't have the chrome bores, which makes cleaning more of a chore. The metal isn't as good, which means it's hard not to ding up the choke tubes when you replace them, and the screws for the scope are easy to ding. (Our mossberg is the youth model).

On the other hand, it's got a tang safety, which makes it better for a left hander. It works great. It's amazingly accurate with rifled slugs for a smoothbore. It fits good and is reliable. I heartily recommend it if you're on a budget.

2) The 870 comes in a variety of configurations and price points. It has the chrome bores. It's a high quality gun. If you're right handed and have the money it's probably a better choice than the Mossberg.

3) The BPS is the best of the three. It has a tang safety. It has good wood. It has chrome bore. It ejects out the bottom. It's truly ambidextrous so a left hander would be better off with the BPS if they want a high quality pump gun.

All three are worth looking at. Get the best you can afford. Get the one that fits you best.

marinemagnum · « **Reply #22 on:** September 04, 2007, 02:16:11 PM »

would anyone else recomend any other shotguns that would be a good deer gun, and small game gun also that is affordable.

30-06man · « **Reply #23 on:** September 04, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »

benilli nova or super nova, stoger, and nef. the mossberg isn't a gun for a casul shooter. i have put 1000 rounds through mine no trouble at all other than i wore out the turkey choke and replaced it with a undertaker

dukkillr · « **Reply #24 on:** September 04, 2007, 05:23:03 PM »

In order, best purchase to worst (current or recently manufactured pump guns only):

1) Browning BPS
2) Benelli Nova
3) Remmington 870
4) Ithica 37*
5) Whatever smaller name guns you can find (Charles Daly, for instance)
6) A nicely finished slingshot (the kind with the wrist strap)
7) A poorly finished slingshot (no wrist strap)
8 - (Tie) Whatever cheap Winchester you can find
8 - (Tie) Whatever cheap Mossberg you can find

While I eventually had to find a real job, I was lucky enough to guide duck and turkey hunters from high school through law school, and I still take a few guys each year. I've seen every single shotgun you can buy in action, in the real world, under real conditions. The two things I can say for certain about hardcore waterfowling and turkey guns:
1) a reliable auto is a clean dry auto, hunt in freezing rain, in a duck boat, with mud and dogs and that auto that "hasn't misfired in the 329 years I've owned it" will become a single shot
2) If you can buy it at Wal-Mart, leave it at Wal-Mart. You absolutely positively get what you pay for with cheap guns. Just like the overly favorable review from the auto owner, I can't count the number of times I heard, "This [cheap gun X] has fired 1,239,882 cases of shells, and it's never once hung up". All I can say is, that's not been my experience.

Get a good gun, it's a good investment. It'll last longer than you or I will, and it will be something your kids may be proud to own someday.

* If you're left handed move the 37 up to second

Graybeard · « **Reply #25 on:** September 04, 2007, 05:40:56 PM »

I've spent a lot of time on skeet, trap and sporting clays ranges over the last 30 years and the two most trouble prone guns there are Mossberg and Winchester 1200/1300s. They just will not take it. Remington Wingmasters just keep on keeping on forever. I competed with them for several years and they were deat reliable. I have zero experience with the Nova. My experience with the Ithaca 37 was a short and unpleasant one.

Swampman · « **Reply #26 on:** September 04, 2007, 11:54:41 PM »

"If you can buy it at Wal-Mart, leave it at Wal-Mart."

This is absurd. The 870s, M700s, and 10-22s you buy at Walmart are exactly the same ones you buy at any high dollar sporting goods store.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:39:57 AM »

both are good guns , the marine 870 is heavy for sure !
bottom eject , whats wrong with it ? you ask , so first it is harder to clear a problem than with the other two since there is only one opening and don't fool yourself they do have problems , second in a boat , blind or in a self defense situation putting the empties at your feet to be a trip hazard makes little or no sense ( this i say from experience )
i don't care for the location of the safety on the back of the receiver , easy to knock off ! i had and sold the 870 marine , heavy and very FLASHY ! Before the black oxide finish came out on the 870 SP they had a 870 with a true parkerized finished and oil finished stock , I got one it is over 25 years old , i have hunted every thing with it , it has accompanied me to the bottom of beaver ponds on several occasions , been rained on , snowed on , sweated on and dog drooled on with no damage ! I would pick the 870 and never look back !
out of the box the browning might and i do mean might be smoother but that 25 year old gun is as smooth as silk , had a game warden check me a few years ago at a road check , he worked the action to see if the gun was loaded , he remarked that it was the smoothest pump he had ever worked !

30-06man · « **Reply #28 on:** September 05, 2007, 10:58:23 AM »

the mossburg 500 is a great gun it just doesn't get credit, i have put them through all conditions and the new guns non autos are all good. i have had no problems. the 870 is great and i have never had a better more accurate shotgun. the nova is a good gun and so is the winchester. i have had no expreience with ithica.

marinemagnum · « **Reply #29 on:** September 05, 2007, 03:04:11 PM »

how good is a winchester model 25?