Author Topic: Rumor and Speculation about new calibers for 2008? (Read 4328 times)

MSP Ret · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2007, 01:42:42 PM »

I now have my .35 Remington barrel and I must say a .280 and a .25-06 in a 26" barrel are both GREAT guns/calibers. I also have my .357 Max and 45/70 as well as my rimfires and shotguns and my .223's and .22-250. I do still want my .45 ACP Handi barrel but a Handi in .338 Federal would be nice also....<><....

Does anyone know if my 30/40 Krag Handi barrel could be rechambered and rebored to .338 Federal? What do the chamber dimensions look like?....<><....

Mac11700 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2007, 02:02:02 PM »

So...without this continuing any more into another wish list...We all have our favorites or some cool ideas......What if any do you think they will offer...? I don't see them doing any wildcats for obvious reasons..or any magnums unless they make some major design changes...so...What can they offer us...

Here's how I see it...

Since they are already doing 25 calibers center fires...and haven't wanted to come out with more 26" barrels...it stands to reason in my minds eye that a 257 Roberts would be the easiest....They could also do the 17 Remington by using center fire rated barrels...so that is a possibility too...New calibers...well...the 260 would most likely get the nod if they did a 6.5...and even the 338 Federal could as well...even though I would prefer to see the 338-06 A-Square...they could get by nicely with the 24" barrels...but most likely offer it in a 22" like the survivor...New rimmed cartridges are always a possibility and a nice 41 Mag would make many folks happy...my self included...Will they make an addition to the Buff Classic & Target models...They could..they could do a 45-90...45-100...45-110 or 45-120...It wouldn't take much to do the 45 cal as compared to the new caliber offerings...They could even go a new caliber...and offer a 9.3x74R.....Then you have the old favorite wood cartridges in the 35 Rem...and the 358 Win...both of these would do rather well I think...All of these plus the others mentioned could do very well...but...until they start listening to the majority of folks who actually use these rifles...there really isn't any way of telling what they will offer...

So...the way I see it is they will do nothing right away...and most likely will think long & hard about offering anything new...

Mac

Mac11700 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2007, 02:04:41 PM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on August 31, 2007, 01:42:42 PM

I now have my .35 Remington barrel and I must say a .280 and a .25-06 in a 26" barrel are both GREAT guns/calibers. I also have my .357 Max and 45/70 as well as my rimfires and shotguns and my .223's and .22-250. I do still want my .45 ACP Handi barrel but a Handi in .338 Federal would be nice also....<><....

Does anyone know if my 30/40 Krag Handi barrel could be rechambered and rebored to .338 Federal? What do the chamber dimensions look like?....<><....

MSP...

Check out a .338JDJ...

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2007, 02:16:09 PM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on August 31, 2007, 01:42:42 PM

IDoes anyone know if my 30/40 Krag Handi barrel could be rechambered and rebored to .338 Federal? What do the chamber dimensions look like?....<><....

The 338 JDJ wouldn't touch the existing rim cut of the 30-40 which is considerably larger if that makes a difference, the 338 Federal wouldn't have any support at the rim at all if that makes any difference too.

Tim

338 JDJ #2

338 Federal
http://ammoguide.com/?catid=485

Mac11700 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2007, 05:08:04 PM »

The rim doesn't have to be supported 100%...and the +.005" difference in rim thickness shouldn't hurt either according to Wayne..However..Wayne has suggested to me a better alternative tonight when I spoke to him on this & a few other things...and that is to just improve the 30-40 case and neck it up to 338 along with the re bore...That way no ejector work will have to be done and you will have a 3-4 grain more usable capacity...

Mac

MSP Ret · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2007, 05:34:18 PM »

Interesting, but that would not take care of the problems with the chamber in my 30/40 Krag Handi barrel....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2007, 05:37:17 PM »

Problems? Care to elaborate?

Tim

Swampman · « **Reply #37 on:** September 01, 2007, 01:28:50 AM »

I just wish NEF would stick with rimmed cartridges.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #38 on:** September 01, 2007, 02:59:15 AM »

The chamber has been "polished" to prevent sticking prior to my getting the barrel and it seems the center of the chamber area may be .001" or 2 larger in diameter than the proper diameter. I believe the shell swells into this area upon firing and causes quite a difficult sticking problem with fired cases. They have to be FIRMLY popped out with a cleaning rod, it is not just an ejector issue. I was hoping to be able to rechamber this barrel to something else or make it usable in some way....<><....

Swampman, you just gave me a great idea!!! Quick do you think the 30/40 Krag barrel I have could be redone into a...Drum Roll Please.....a .348 Winchester!!!! Another of my all time favorite old cartridges....<><....

PartsMan · « **Reply #39 on:** September 01, 2007, 03:57:30 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 01, 2007, 01:28:50 AM

I just wish NEF would stick with rimmed cartridges.

I sure hope they don't. That would be suicide for the company.
I have never had a stuck case.
Three handis and hundreds of rounds no rims.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #40 on:** September 01, 2007, 04:38:36 AM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on September 01, 2007, 02:59:15 AM

Quick do you think the 30/40 Krag barrel I have could be redone into a...Drum Roll Please.....a .348 Winchester!!!! Another of my all time favorite old cartridges....<><....

I don't think the 348 would clean up the shoulder of the Krag chamber which is slightly longer, but I think Mac's idea of an improved version would work, either the 348 or the Krag.

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #41 on:** September 01, 2007, 06:39:05 AM »

Thanks Tim, I would like to stay away from any of the improveds or improved/improveds and stay with a standard issue factory chambering. Iif it's old all (and rimmed) the better but I could be talked into a .338 Federal if it could work....<><....

lrs · « **Reply #42 on:** September 01, 2007, 07:03:09 AM »

I wouldn't mind seeing a 9.3x74.

Swampman · « **Reply #43 on:** September 02, 2007, 01:39:40 AM »

"I have never had a stuck case."

Me either, because I don't buy barrels for rimmless cartridges.

Stuck cases are the #1 (and very common)complaint I hear on Handi Rifles.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 02, 2007, 07:07:40 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 02, 2007, 01:39:40 AM

"I have never had a stuck case."

Me either, because I don't buy barrels for rimmless cartridges.

Stuck cases are the #1 (and very common)complaint I hear on Handi Rifles.

If you get stuck cases now with an extractor barrel...you have some serious problems that need to be addressed...and quickly

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #45 on:** September 02, 2007, 07:35:26 AM »

Mac's 100% right on that, on my last range trip, I had a stuck 500S&W case shooting cast bullets, apparently there was some bullet lube on the case that I missed after seating the bullet, the case extracted ok, but it was real hard to break the barrel open and I had to grab the case with a pair of pliers to get it out of the chamber, a rod could have been used to, but the pliers were less conspicuous!!

Tim

carbineman · « **Reply #46 on:** September 03, 2007, 11:15:26 AM »

My choices which are just as irrelevant as anyone elses, would be;
225 Winchester
6.5x55 Swedish
7-30 Waters
307 Winchester

I like the rimmed cases in a handi/topper and now only have my 30-30 slimline topper left for whitetails. Had a .308 and a 30-06 at one time in the family but traded them for Tracker II's. No more stuck cases or headspace problems. I am aware that H&R 1871 has corrected these problems, but I'm happy with my 30-30, Tracker II's and .223 bench only Ultra (don't care if a case sticks though it hasn't happened yet)

silver surfer · « **Reply #47 on:** September 05, 2007, 07:09:27 AM »

Well, for my $.02 I would like to see these little babies made in;
1. .303 Enfield
2. .405
3. 9.3 X 74mm
4. 45-90
5. 45-120
In that order.

Hey they are a great gun for the money, they should be made in the older "nostalgic" calibers. I would think that these selections should be easy for them to do, without greatly adding to overhead.

Shawnee Gene · « **Reply #48 on:** September 05, 2007, 06:12:32 PM »

9.3x74R, 45-90, 303, and any other rimmed cartridge. "Wouldn't it be loverly!"

Country Boy · « **Reply #49 on:** September 06, 2007, 09:22:36 AM »

I would buy a .225 winchester or a .260 rem.

Downeaster · « **Reply #50 on:** September 06, 2007, 09:27:12 AM »

How about a 338/06?

Ireload2 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 06, 2007, 02:22:29 PM »

>>>The list , except for the Bee , would have limited value to be produced with longer barrels than they now produce for the Hornet. You can only load so much powder into the cases - the Remington LTR's and AR15 16" and 20" barreled rifles have proven longer barrels are not necessary for increased accuracy.<<<

My preference for barrel length has nothing to do with ballistic performance. The first center fire anthing that I fired was a Hopkins & Allen .410 marked EXCEL on the side of the frame. It has a 26" barrel. It was and is a much more graceful looking and better balanced gun than anything made by H&R.
BTW the M-16 has proven to be an unreliable penetrator with it's short barrel and 5.56 round. So they went to the heavier SS-109 bullet and the twist was not fast enough so they had to change barrels. Now with bad guys wearing body armor it is still not reliable.
And I still don't like barrels the length of a kid's gun even in a .22 rimfire.

Swampman · « **Reply #52 on:** September 06, 2007, 11:52:01 PM »

But when the barrels are longer than 22" the rifle is no longer Handi.

nomosendero · « **Reply #53 on:** September 07, 2007, 03:04:38 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 06, 2007, 11:52:01 PM

But when the barrels are longer than 22" the rifle is no longer Handi.

Does that apply for people 6'8" & Midgets as well & if so, why?

And I guess that no bolt gun could be an "easy carry", because the barrel would have to be shorter than 16", which just might be a problem.

Ireload2 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 07, 2007, 04:00:18 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 06, 2007, 11:52:01 PM

But when the barrels are longer than 22" the rifle is no longer Handi.

With a 22 inch long barrel they qualify for a 12 year old to use.
They are not Handi with the HST mounted on top either but a lot of folks do it and want a short barrel to boot.
I have never understood the short barreled Handi concept except on the original .410 Handy gun.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 07, 2007, 04:52:19 AM »

Quote from: Ireload2 on September 07, 2007, 04:00:18 AM

Quote from: Swampman on September 06, 2007, 11:52:01 PM
But when the barrels are longer than 22" the rifle is no longer Handi.

With a 22 inch long barrel they qualify for a 12 year old to use.
They are not Handi with the HST mounted on top either but a lot of folks do it and want a short barrel to boot.
I have never understood the short barreled Handi concept except on the original .410 Handy gun.

Me either...I have many different rifles to hunt with...some short..some long..some heavy..some light...None balance as well as my 26" Ultra's...I know it's a personal thing..but even having rifles that cost 10 times more than my Handis I am still drawn to the way my Ultra's feel in my hand...and the way they balance for me...The short barrels do absolutely nothing for me in this regard..I have never understood folks saying how much handier the short barrels are to hunt and maneuver with in thick brush..Maybe because I also hunt from the ground with a 72" long bow and know how to weave & bobb thru blow downs..vine choked draws..and all of the different types of thickets with it without getting hung up on the stuff...that I can say this...I don't know

Mac

Plainsman · « **Reply #56 on:** September 24, 2007, 06:27:14 PM »

I'd really like to see a .25-35 myself!!! It'd be my very next purchase, then I'd look at the .44's, .444's again!

handirifle · « **Reply #57 on:** September 24, 2007, 07:05:03 PM »

I'd like to actually see a new and improved receiver, one, like the TC that could switch fron centerfire to rimfire with the flip of a switch. Sorry it's not a caliber.

I guess I'd pick a 375 Winchester, with a .375-.376 groove dia, or a 358 Win.

handirifle · « **Reply #58 on:** September 24, 2007, 07:10:27 PM »

Quote from: .308 Win. on August 30, 2007, 06:27:14 PM

I'd really love to see the .338 Federal. I just think that would be awesome in a Handi or Ultra. Obviously I'm partial to the .308 and the .338 Federal is based on the .308 case and necked up to .338 for a little bigger game. I'd be one of the first to buy one. Been thinking about that caliber in a Handi since it came out.

The current American Hunter mag has an article of an elk hunt with a TC in 338 Fed. It's a good caliber and good article.

chrsm · « **Reply #59 on:** September 24, 2007, 11:13:09 PM »

I say they should get together with hornady and make there own cal. like a 6mm handi light? our 6mm mag? Come up with there own!!!!!!! 224 handi!!!! 6.5 Handi!!!!!............