Handi rifle discrimination!

[6Shooter]

My rifle range is having a Buffalo shoot and the rules say any pre-1900 rifle or reproduction, only 45/70 caliber and no H&R/NEA's rifles,
 not even the buffalo rifle.
 Could you consider the H&R buffalo gun a period reproduction?

[cwlongshot]

Here is a site with links to the major cowboy shooing sites.

 A quick search didn't turn up anything good.

 Locally the clubs I have shot at allowed the H&R mostly because of the exposed hammer.

http://home.insightbb.com/~greatlakesfmc/western.htm

CW

[eskimo36]

What is the law in Mississippi that allows them as a reproduction for BP season?

[quickdtoo]

What is the law in Mississippi that allows them as a reproduction for BP season?

PRIMITIVE WEAPONS
"Primitive firearms" for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double barreled muzzle-loading rifles of at least .38 caliber; single shot, breech loading, cartridge rifles (.38 caliber or larger) of a kind and type manufactured prior to 1900, and replicas, reproductions or reintroductions of those type rifles; and single or double-barreled muzzle-loading, shotguns with single ball or slug. All muzzle-loading Primitive Firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with either percussion caps or #209 shotgun primers or flintlock ignition. Breech loading single shot rifles must have exposed hammers and use metallic cartridges. Cartridges may be loaded either with black powder or modern smokeless powder. Scopes of any magnification are allowed on primitive weapons. Sidearms are not allowed during primitive weapon season.

http://www.mdwfp.com/Level2/Wildlife/hunting_regs.asp

This an approved list that we have for the new public notice on the breechloading sigle shot rifles, kind or type manufactured before 1900 with an exposed hammer, .38 cal or larger.

This list is by no means exclusive. This is just a list comprised of commonly available rifles.

SINGLE SHOT BREECHLOADING RIFLES WHICH ARE PRIMATIVE WEAPONS:

Sharps rifles or replicas
Reminton Rollingblock rifles or replicas
Ballard rifles
Maynard rifles or replicas
Burnside carbines
Frank Wesson rifles
Remington Hepburn rifles
M1873-1888 Springfield (trapdoor) Rifles and Carbines and replicas
Snider (British) rifles or replicas
Wesson & Harrington 1871 Rifles
New England Firearms or Harrington & Richardson Handi Rifles
Winchester M1885 Hi Wall or Lo Wall rifles or replicas (Also Browning B78 or 1885)

SINGLE SHOT BREECHLOADING RIFLES WHICH ARE NOT PRIMATIVE WEAPONS!!!!

Ruger Number 1 and Number 3 (no exposed hammer)
Thompson Center Contender or Encore Carbines (designed after 1900)
Mossberg SSi Single Shot Rifle (no exposed hammer and designed after 1900)

http://www.mdwfp.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10913

[eskimo36]

Thanks Tim.  That was what I was thinking.....at least the state of Missisissippi thinks the H&R is pre 1900.....

[Mac11700]

My rifle range is having a Buffalo shoot and the rules say any pre-1900 rifle or reproduction, only 45/70 caliber and no H&R/NEA's rifles,
 not even the buffalo rifle.
 Could you consider the H&R buffalo gun a period reproduction?

In some circles yes..But..you gotta remember something...most of these guys have spent $1000's or more on their rifles...and they don't want no little $350 rifle out shooting them no matter what  ....

Mac

[tallyho]

I think Mac may be on the mark with this one.. 

[ironglow]

  Probably Mac is dead on accurate about the "high priced spread" fears..

[6Shooter]

My rifle range is having a Buffalo shoot and the rules say any pre-1900 rifle or reproduction, only 45/70 caliber and no H&R/NEA's rifles,
 not even the buffalo rifle.
 Could you consider the H&R buffalo gun a period reproduction?

In some circles yes..But..you gotta remember something...most of these guys have spent $1000's or more on their rifles...and they don't want no little $350 rifle out shooting them no matter what  ....

Mac

Good point! I didn't think of that.

[ironglow]

   Seems like a few months ago, someone posted a test by Chuck Hawks...it was NEF vs Dakota..

  If someone could re-post that article here, it may explain just why some of the guys with the high $$$ guns don't want any NEFs around !

[quickdtoo]

It's in the FAQs a couple links below the 2007 Retail Price list, The Prince and the Pauper, Can Money Buy Accuracy?

Tim

http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/feb97money.html

[ironglow]

   Thanks Tim;

   The results of that "shootout" goes far to explain why the guys who plunked down thousands of $$$ for a high-priced rifle may get the "heebie/jeebies when a fellow shows up to compete carrying an NEF rifle !

   It is interesting to note that not only did the NEF shoot so well but it apparently extracted a few more fps from each of the rounds tested...

[quickdtoo]

You're welcome!! The 26" barrel does make a difference over the 22" Dakota!!

Tim

The .25-06 really needs a 26-inch barrel to strut its stuff, as evidenced by the 128 fps overall velocity edge this rifle had over the Dakota. With an overall length of 413/8 inches, it is still a manageable field rifle.

[cwlongshot]

   Thanks Tim;

   The results of that "shootout" goes far to explain why the guys who plunked down thousands of $$$ for a high-priced rifle may get the "heebie/jeebies when a fellow shows up to compete carrying an NEF rifle !

   It is interesting to note that not only did the NEF shoot so well but it apparently extracted a few more fps from each of the rounds tested...

 This reminds me of one of the first "side" events I shot in at a cowboy shoot!!

It was about a dozen, 6-8" balloons on stakes pushed in the ground at various yardages out to 150 yards or so. I asked if the event was limited to rifles. I was told NO, I guess not, but you ain't gonna hit many with a revolver.  Suffice it to say, it is now a RIFLE only event as I cleaned up!!! 

CW

[quickdtoo]

Yup...

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,95235.msg1098231925.html#msg1098231925

[Foggy]

It upsets people to be out shoot with a gun that cost a third of theirs. I;ve  proved my point a couple of time with my RMEF handi . the last time it cost the doubting Thomas 25 bucks. A friend of mine in west by god. was turned away at a match with and original Sharps Bouchart (spelling) because it had no hammer . It was the only rifle there made prior to 1900 all the rest were reproductions. one thing Ive noticed in the gun world  there are 3 gun snobs to the rest of us   but we seem to have more fun and enjoy our guns more we all have our prize gun  mine a RMEF 35 Whelen with a k3 weaver
 As I climb down from my high horse
 Foggy