Author Topic: Do it all dog? (Read 7396 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2007, 12:49:08 PM »

There are a lot of good types mentioned blackmouthed cur, Visla, catahoula , Draathaars,curs etc.

I just HAVE to put in my choice for "all-round"..that's the Airedale. Bred and raised/hunted them for years (coon).they will also retrieve, herd cattle ..you name it.

The old saying about Airedales: " they can do anything any other dog can do..and then whip that dog !"..pretty close, I'd say.

Note: some of those wiry bird breeds have a little Airedale in their background...

Around the home, they are a good family dog..generally running from reasonably friendly, to aloof ..with strangers.

They do not have to be trained to be family protectors..they do it naturally. Not out of extra aggressiveness but when any harsh. suspicious physical move is made against anyone "belonging" to them ..the stranger gets a clear warning...followed by action, if necessary.

good dog for your daughter to take jogging with her...LOL

I also raised and competed with Jack Russells..IMHO ..more hunt and courage than any other dog..pound for pound..

Only danger here..watch your Jack when hunting..he may just go to ground ( that's his job) ; and that could be 10-15-20 feet down..be ready to dig if necessary.

As with all terriers, these two breeds have a very high pain threshold, don't feel vet's shots and don't back down from fighting any game animal.

Great advice by SJ Kennels..whatever you get..stay away from the basically SHOW kennels..you can happen into a good one there, but it is very risky.

Play it safe, stick with proven working strains !

Star1pup · « **Reply #31 on:** March 19, 2007, 06:06:08 AM »

Get a mountain cur. They will hunt anything you want them to hunt. They are also great family dogs. Scooter lives in the house with us and is a real buddy. These curs are a hoot in the woods. Lots of energy and they love to hunt.

S.B. · « **Reply #32 on:** March 20, 2007, 10:57:32 AM »

Quote from: WesinND on February 24, 2007, 04:03:30 PM

This is my first post here, but I have been checking in for awhile. I had to register to answer this post. Bugflipper posted he wants a do-it-all dog. The Deutsch Drahthaar is just that. He said he wants a dog that will hunt all types of small game, the DD will do that and more. He said he wants a family pet to go hunting with -- the DD is not that. It is a hunting dog that can be a family pet. He wants a lazy man's dog; the DD is absolutely not a lazy man's dog. I have a four year old DD and they need to hunt, they need daily exercise, and daily mental stimulation. If they don't get those things, they will find less desirable activities to entertain themselves. They are highly intelligent, with an unbelievable prey drive that will get them in trouble if they don't have a strict training program. They are not for the first time dog trainer/owner. Just my opinion, but but I wanted you to know before you pick a breed of dog to spend the next decade or more with. Contact a good breeder and ask a lot of questions no matter what kind of dog you select. Good luck with your search! Wes & Harry (the DD)

I ditto that, from what I've read and heard. I'm thinking of getting one of this breed, my self.

Calaloo · « **Reply #33 on:** April 11, 2007, 03:27:06 AM »

I am 64 years old and have had dogs all my life. Many different breeds. I now own the most amazing dog I have ever had. I would wager that most , if not all, of you have never heard of it. The dog is the Carolina Dog aka the American Dingo. It is a wild dog that only still exists in the wild in the lowland swamps and savannahs of South Carolina and Georgia. Can the dog hunt? Absolutly, or it wouldn't be here. Although its natural prey is nothing larger than rabbits, it includes bugs, lizzards ,field mice, snakes, etc., it can be taught to hunt virtually anything. They are also reputed to be excellent blood trailers and can swim better than a Lab. I firmly believe that although the dog is virtually unknown now in time it will be very popular. After all a dog that dosen't have an odor, even when wet, has no inherited medical problems, has an even temper, is extremely smart (you can't survive in the wild for thousands of years and be dumb) and is totally dedicated to its pack (the family) has got more than a few good things going for it. If any one is interested you can look them up on the internet.

Bill

missouri dave · « **Reply #34 on:** May 26, 2007, 06:19:50 AM »

I'd never heard of the Carolina dog before but I've been researching them since your post Calaloo. I want one.

Ranger J · « **Reply #35 on:** May 28, 2007, 04:37:10 AM »

There was a good article a number of years ago in either Smithsonian or Discovery magazine about this type of dog. Evidently when dogs are allowed to ‘go wild’ for a number of generations they revert to this type. The Dingo, Carolina Dog and the Canaan Dogs along with several other ones are examples. All are able to exist without human help.
RJ

ironglow · « **Reply #36 on:** May 29, 2007, 01:31:03 AM »

I saw a program a few months ago, on either Nat Geo, Discovery or one of those where it showed a lady in the Carolinas I believe, that has cultivated a kennel of them...

rex6666 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:18:29 AM »

AIREDALE
they have it all, maybe they don't out hunt bird dogs
out tree coon dogs. but they will be their tiring, but they will hunt anything you will.
they will relax with the best and hunt bear and lion with the best, they love kids and family
What did Teddy Roosevelt say about them
they will hunt anything you want them to with the other dogs all day and do it as well
then whip the other dogs if you want him to.

Star1pup · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:14:40 PM »

Our Airedale, Star, was the best flushing bird dog I have ever seen. She died almost exactly a year ago at the age of 5. She developed bone cancer and we had to make that terrible decision. I still have tears over losing her. I didn't want the same breed because I was afraid that I'd compare them so we now have a 10 month old mountain cur and she is a beauty.

S.B. · « **Reply #39 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:00:24 PM »

Know what you mean. We lost our male Brittany (Nubbins) of 15 years in February, this year. I still can't bring myself to think of getting another dog, yet. When I'm able, I'm definately going to be looking at Drathaars.

Star1pup · « **Reply #40 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:10:39 PM »

Quote from: S.B. on July 17, 2007, 01:00:24 PM

Know what you mean. We lost our male Brittany (Nubbins) of 15 years in February, this year. I still can't bring myself to think of getting another dog, yet. When I'm able, I'm definately going to be looking at Drathaurs.

I didn't think I could go through it again, but just couldn't live without a dog in my life. They are a blessing from God.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** July 18, 2007, 03:20:58 PM »

...I'll Tell you guys one thing, after reading all the posts here..i can see that you guys have good taste in dog flesh ! There is not a breed mentioned that i would not be pleased to own. All of them great all-round dogs..

Star1pup · « **Reply #42 on:** July 18, 2007, 03:28:50 PM »

Took Scooter for a run today. She found an old deer leg, a turtle, and treed a turkey. Now that's an all around dog.

Dee · « **Reply #43 on:** July 18, 2007, 05:14:41 PM »

I have a pair of male Jack Russell terriers. One 5 yoa, and 1 is 1 yoa. Raise them both. They weigh about 200 lbs each, but actually only appear to weigh about 20 lbs each. Perhaps the 200 lbs is in their minds.
I originally bought them because I had a lot of copperheads crawling around my place and field rats and mice when harvest time rolled around. Those problems have long since disappeard. I soon found that they are squirrel hunting machines, will tackle the biggest of our plentiful feral hogs, and are not mouthy around the house. If they bark, you need to go look. They will literally hunt and tackle anything, and are totally fearless. If boared they occasionally fight with each other, and that can get pretty rough sometimes. They are people dogs, and show good common sense in the woods. They will get out of sight, but not for long as they will come back and check in. These dogs were born and bred to hunt. They like people but, I don't recomend them for families that have children that are in the habit of mistreating animals. They will love you and protect you, BUT will take up for themselves if abused.
One other thing. CATS. They will take them apart to see how they work but, aren't good about putting them back together when their finished, and loose some of the parts. This you will most likely NOT train that out of a Jack Russel. To them, cats are varmints. There are exceptions I am sure, but they aren't allowed at my house because I agree with Huff and Tank when it comes to cats.

ironglow · « **Reply #44 on:** July 19, 2007, 04:35:11 PM »

Dee; As I posted previously..no dog has more courage or fight pound-for-pound than the JR..super for a small dog.

Bugflipper;

In case you're still looking for that medium sized all-round dog www.huntingairedales.com/

be sure you click onto the crosshairs on the left for more info & pics...

Check out the forum on that site also; lots of good info..

S.B. · « **Reply #45 on:** July 19, 2007, 11:50:27 PM »

ironglow, don't think this is a discussion of fighting dogs but, one that will hunt any game? A mean dog isn't usually good for the family or kids?

ironglow · « **Reply #46 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:23:33 AM »

SB;

   Who said anything about "fighting dogs'..no way ..not me !

I am as disturbed as anyone by the recent reports of of professional football players allegedly holding dog fights..

  In fact if you will review the posts I have already made, you will see no mention of fighting between dogs.

   Yes, I spoke to Dee about the JRs having great courage..perhaps you are not aware of the JR's primary mission..go to ground and either drive out or draw out the quarry, be it woodchuck or fox. Any terrier that comes up short on courage in that situation is virtually useless..

  You will note that my first post described the Airedale as ranging from friendly to aloof with strangers..that they would protect the family, NOT out of over aggresssiveness..but only in true emergencies ..out of real love for "their family"..

  I suggested that an Airedale would be a good dog for one's daughter to go jogging with..for those very reasons..be the predator another dog or of the two-legged kind..

   If my grandaughter goes jogging..I'd rather she had a dog with her that would fight a predator, rather than to run..

  The old saying about.." An Airedale will do anything any other dog can do..and then whip that dog !"..is simply a quote from Teddy Roosevelt..

   T. R. (Teddy Roosevelt) was an avid outdoorsman who often hunted with Airedales..

   If I came off as a "dog fighter" that was not my intention..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #47 on:** July 20, 2007, 08:10:58 AM »

a dog to do it all , well you got to make him or let him make him self !
my first lab was a hard headed one from some of the best stock on the east coast ! my aunt who helps new breeders get started got me a great deal on him . anyway i did the best i could on training him on ducks ( he trained me ) , well on the way into the swamp i hunt he kept jumping deer to make a long story short when deer season came in i took him and killed a 4 pointer he jumped ! the next year we got into quail , he would point to a degree no not like the English setters i had before him but well enough to fill my bag . If a rabbit was around he would jump it , no he did not bark , and only ran a few 100 yards .
so my advice is get a dog that looks like it will hunt and just let it be with you in the field as much as possible , and learn to use what the dog has to offer not turn it into a machine !
GOOD LUCK !

chucky52 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 23, 2007, 03:53:51 PM »

Somehow, it's a bit hard to believe what I'm reading. Nonetheless, for my.02 Brittany's are great bird dogs, retrievers, companions. I did hunt over a Drath...aar?? Cool dog, in the kennel next to him a male shorthair was placed in the kennel with a shorhair bitch. The Drathaar climbed the fence, killed the male and sired a litter with the female. He wasl also very good on pheasants. Gotta love a dog like that!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #49 on:** October 24, 2007, 02:00:22 AM »

ONE WORD LAB !
with my first one i hunter deer , duck ,quail and flushed turkey . if i hunted he hunted ! He passed on and now the second one is coming along as is the third !
all guard the family and our stuff !

Star1pup · « **Reply #50 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:15:20 AM »

A good friend once told me that the only person your dog has to please is you.

I loved my Airedale and now I love my mountain cur. Star would hunt anything I wanted to hunt and now Scooter is the same way. Dogs are a blessing from God.

bulzaye · « **Reply #51 on:** January 19, 2008, 05:41:46 AM »

For an all around dog as far as hunting and a family dog, I pick the lab. I have had two now and they would hunt, flush or chase pretty much anything we wanted to. And a great temperament for the house too. I have two Emmitt the old guy and Randy the younger one. Can't beat them

Dee · « **Reply #52 on:** January 20, 2008, 05:42:27 PM »

Well boys, since I posted last on this thread, I had to put my youngest Jack Russell down. Torn intestine, couldn't be fixed. It tuff loosing one, and his daddy Huff, just sat around and howled for about 2 weeks. He doin better now. Still a huntin machine.

Star1pup · « **Reply #53 on:** January 21, 2008, 03:21:20 AM »

I agree with the Airedale being a great dog. My Airedale, Star, was the best bird dog I ever had the privilege to hunt behind. She also treed squirrels, flushed rabbits and did anything else I needed. Unfortunately, she developed bone cancer and we had to make the tearful decision dog lovers hate, and she was just 5 years old. We still miss her. Didn't get the same breed as it would be too painful to keep comparing the new dog to Star. I just figured the mountain cur was a lot like an Airedale in ability and personality. With either breed you need a good sense of humor.

As to not feeling pain, I now realize that Star hunted hard when her legs hurt and i didn't know it. Airedales are great dogs and I believe mountain curs are too.

ironglow · « **Reply #54 on:** January 21, 2008, 05:01:22 AM »

Dee;
My condolences on the loss of your dog ! Those little rascals can creep right into your heart...

When I was breeding and hunting JRs, my kennel name was " Hammer & Tongs"..My pups would be registered such as " Iron Grip of Hammer & Tongs".
The name must be in some pedigrees yet.

The JRs are so active and athletic that even though they are an especially healthy breed with very few congenital problems..they can get into the same problems that great human athletes suffer from by extending their bodies beyond where they properly should.

Dee · « **Reply #55 on:** January 21, 2008, 05:38:03 AM »

This one had developed a taste for paper shell pecans. Shell and all. It cost us both. I buried him about 20 feet from where he was born.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #56 on:** January 21, 2008, 10:46:06 AM »

Dee very sorry for your loss !

Dee · « **Reply #57 on:** January 21, 2008, 12:06:58 PM »

SHOOTALL, it hurts to loose a dog, but they, and the loss are part of life. Missed yes. Enjoyed while here. Immensely.

Ray Ford · « **Reply #58 on:** January 23, 2008, 06:44:04 AM »

Quote from: Dee on January 21, 2008, 05:38:03 AM

This one had developed a taste for paper shell pecans. Shell and all. It cost us both. I buried him about 20 feet from where he was born.

Dee,

Your mentioning of losing a dog due to it having eaten pecans brought back one of my worst memories: I had raised an absolutely superb Boston Terrier male. He was a rare black and white spotted one, not just black with white markings. I got into a situation wherein I needed to pare down my dog herd. A woman who worked with my wife expressed an interest in him for her kids, so I gave him to her. Sometime later, she said to my wife, "There's something wrong with that dog. He eats pecans." A few days later, after an extremely cold night, she told my wife that the dog had died.

Now, I've seen lots of dogs eat an occasional pecan--and not suffer any ill effects. But dogs will sometimes, for whatever reason, start ingesting strange objects. My nephew has spent $3,000 to $4,000 dollars having rocks removed from his wife's Golden Retriever. They constructed a concrete-floored pen so that he would not have access to gravel. I wondered if the dog did not have a mineral deficency that led to his mouthing rocks. It might have been his retriever's instinct to pick things up. Boredom might have been a factor.

But back to the Boston. What I put together about this dog's death was this: The woman took the dog home, dumped it in her backyard, and left it up to the children to take care of it. They didn't. The little dog started eating pecans because he was hungry. The combination of no food and the extreme cold on that night did him in. I KNOW that you were taking care of your dog, but the pecan thing brought this back to my mind. I still occasionally have day time nightmares about that dog's horrible death. If I had just shot him, he would not have suffered. If I had given him to someone else....

A couple of things:

Be careful to whom you give a dog.
Watch what your dogs are ingesting.

One other note on the Boston: He was a natural-born house dog. He never in his life went in the house. He is one of only two dogs that I have raised that was that sort. The other was a 3/4 Pit and 1/4Lab female.

Star1pup · « **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2008, 06:56:31 AM »

My daughter's family has a Boston and I think Bonkers (that's her name) is a really neat dog. I kid them by saying she looks like Yoda from Star Wars.

Dogs eat strange things. My Airedale and my mountain cur seem to like deer & turkey poop. Star, my Airedale, even tried elk poop when we were in Colorado visiting my daughter. My friend's daughter has a dog that will eat a full sock. Then, a day or so later will poop it out. I think Scooter ate a hickory nut the other day and she is certainly not malnourished. That dog eats good!

Maybe she just doesn't want the squirrels to get them. A couple days ago she was barking treed in the backyard when a squirrel came down to sass her. Bad mistake. He didn't realize that a mountain cur can jump so high. Scooter will jump up and bump my glasses if I'm not careful.

All I can say is that breed doesn't matter. Ain't all dogs neat?