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Offline His lordship.

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One shot flyers, how come?
« on: July 23, 2006, 12:47:25 PM »
I have a CZ 550 Premium grade in 30-06 that has developed a one shot flyer problem.  The first shot will be 3-4 inches high, the rest of the 4 shots from the magazine will print a nice tight group.  I tried firing the rifle single shot, suspecting that the magazine spring was a problem.  Still does it.  I am using Sierra handloads, 168 Gr. HPBT Match 2200, 4895 powder.

I have been a big believer in CZ guns, I have 8 of them.  However, this rifle has been more of a problem child, the average factory load or my 150 grain handloads always had less than excellent accuracy, they shot fine for hunting, but not the tight groups I wanted.  The Sierra Match 2200 have been getting me the tight groups, but with this first flyer problem.   

The screws on the action and the scope are tight.  The rifle is fired on average of 5-10 shots, allowed to cool, so heat does not seem to be it.  The amount of ammo through it is believed to be around 1,200 rounds to date, not too bad for a centerfire in terms of wear.  I used to have a Marlin Model 25 bolt action rifle in .22 RF that used to do that, one flyer in each 5 shot group, I sold off the Marlin as I suspected that it was because of it being cheap and poorly made.

Any suggestions?

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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2006, 02:21:00 PM »
I have had a consistency problem for several months.  Different rifle etc..... But what I finally figured out yesterday at the range (after 30 rounds) was that it was a positioning problem with my trigger arm/finger.  I had raised the level of my shooting bag so I sat more upright (instead of laying over the bench).  This caused my shooting arm to not be level with the stock but was coming from underneath it.  Consistency was a real struggle. Several bullets tight and then the flier.   I took care of the leveling problem and went from 1.25" - 1.50" groups to .234 and .348 groups.  This was the only thing I changed.  Bullets/loads etc... were what I had been shooting previously.  I was wondering about the rifle, the scope/rings and my loads.  Was real frustrating but, for me, it was as simple as position.

Not sure if you have changed anything in your form but just a thought.

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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2006, 10:23:38 AM »
Longwinters, I think you are right as I caught myself having trigger positioning problems with my two Colt replica cap and ball guns.  Both revolvers shoot well, but I was having accuracy problems the last time I was out and had to adjust my position as they were going all over the paper, normally they are very good in having tight consistant groups despite the small fixed sights.

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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2006, 10:25:56 AM »
Longwinters, I think you are right as I caught myself having trigger positioning problems with my two Colt replica cap and ball guns.  Both revolvers shoot well, but I was having accuracy problems the last time I was out and had to adjust my position as they were going all over the paper, normally they are very good in having tight consistant groups despite the small fixed sights.

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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 03:27:14 PM »
Bedding, man. Look at how it's bedded. That is, assuming you rule out your technique. I haven't seen a CZ yet that didn't respond to being bedded with a big improvement in accuracy. (Well, maybe except for the one in the shop now that has a twist rate change 4 inches from the muzzle, but it's the exception.)
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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2006, 03:22:49 AM »
I get one shot flyer every time I shoot a certain make ammo from my Marlin 22 RF at 100 yds.
So what I did was change ammo and I don't get flyers with it any more.

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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2006, 08:05:05 AM »
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I have had a consistency problem for several months.  Different rifle etc..... But what I finally figured out yesterday at the range (after 30 rounds) was that it was a positioning problem with my trigger arm/finger.  I had raised the level of my shooting bag so I sat more upright (instead of laying over the bench).

I've had some nice tight 4 shot groups, then invariably the 5th is a disappointing flyer.   I wised up after reading a forum post last week from a shooter much more knowledgable than I.   "Three-shot groups test the quallity of your rifle and/or handloads, five-shot groups test the quality of the shooter."   I now shoot 3 shot groups.

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Re: One shot flyers, how come?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2006, 10:24:17 PM »
I bet you are flinching on the first shot.  A heavy trigger pull can lead to a flinch.  Bring your trigger down to a 2 1/2 to 3 pound pull. 

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