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« on: April 21, 2006, 03:17:17 PM »
I have access to tillable acreage next to a large swamp/creek area frequented by Canadian geese and a variety of ducks. I have heard soy beans are nutritious and attracting to waterfowl.  Any other crops as good or better?

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2006, 04:52:00 PM »
Cheesehead:  I suggest that you contact the US Fish & Wildlife people regarding "food plots" for water fowl.  You might be entering a very serious problem area.  Baiting birds has been outlawed for years.  Even those who set there harvesters to waste and excessive amount of grain to attract wildlife can lose the farm.

On this one it is better to ask those folks in writing and get a written response.  You are betting the farm.

Even those who shot over a baited area without knowing it is baited can be fined.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2006, 05:29:08 AM »
Thanks for the warning. I had a feeling this was a "grey" area. In Wisconsin baiting is restricted as it should be. Many people do limited baiting for deer and off season baiting for waterfowl. There are no restrictions on food plots relating to deer. Waterfowl may be another story since it is federally regulated. I see people goose hunting in cut corn fields. I have never done this, I have only hunted waterfowl over water. The definition of a food plot may be another grey area. Baiting and food plots have different legal definitions. The concept of hunting waterfowl in a field with those lay down personal blinds has often appealed to me since I do not have a hunting dog.

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2006, 09:56:53 AM »
it's not grey at all.  You can plant anything you want, and you can farm the ground.  The rule is that whatever you do must be in accordance with common farm practices so, for instance, you cannot broadcast corn in december and claim that it's "planting".  

My advice:  Corn or milo, and harvest it as late as you can stand it in your area.  If you can find a crappy old combine that would help too.

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 11:42:43 AM »
My plan was to leave the crop standing through the winter to attract deer as well. I am still unsure about this multi specics multi purpose food plot. In Wisconsin there are deer  gun seasons as late as mid December and archery till December 31.  Maybe I am trying to do to much with one food plot.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2006, 06:28:14 PM »
neither ducks nor geese will land in standing crops.

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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2006, 09:41:34 PM »
I did a little research.  First is how California adopted the Federal Code.  I would not be surprised if you find a similar section in the WI code.  At the bottom have have copied and pasted the Federal Code.  If in doubt pickup the phone and call the Fish and Wildlife Service in your State.  

As a kid I was lucky enough to shoot a lot of birds in grain fields.  The good ole days.

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FEDERAL REGULATIONS RELATED TO BAITING
Federal regulations prohibiting hunting over bait for migratory game birds are incorporated
by reference into State regulations pursuant to Section 509. Title 14, California Code
Regulations. Penalties for violating these regulations are severe. Persons may be fined
up to $15,000 and be sentenced to six months in jail if convicted of hunting over bait
and be fined up to $100,000 as an individual or $200,000 as an organization and be
sentenced to one year in prison if convicted of placing bait. Simply stated, it is unlawful
to take any migratory game bird by the aid of baiting, or on or over any baited area,
where a person knows or reasonably should know that the area is or has been baited.
The regulations provided below, for the benefit of hunters, are taken from the Code of
Federal Regulations (CFR). Information on all federal bait regulations, including those
pertaining to agricultural planting, harvesting or post harvest manipulation may be
obtained from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service by telephone at (916) 414-6660. Excerpts
from 50 CFR Part 20, Migratory Bird Hunting Regulations Regarding Baiting and Baited
Areas, Sections 20.11 (j)-(l) and 20.21 (i)(1) and (2) read as follows:
20.11 (j) Baited area means any area on which salt, grain, or other feed has been placed,
exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, if that salt, grain, or other feed could serve
as a lure or attraction for migratory game birds to, on, or over areas where hunters are
attempting to take them. Any such area will remain a baited area for ten days following
the complete removal of all such salt, grain, or other feed.
k) Baiting means the direct or indirect placing, exposing, depositing, distributing, or
scattering of salt, grain, or other feed that could serve as a lure or attraction for migratory
game birds to, on, or over any areas where hunters are attempting to take them.
Manipulation means the alteration of natural vegetation or agricultural crops by
activities that include but are not limited to mowing, shredding, discing, rolling, chopping,
trampling, flattening, burning, or herbicide treatments. The term manipulation does not
include the distributing or scattering of grain, seed, or other feed after removal from or
storage on the field where grown.
m) Natural vegetation means any nonagricultural, native, or naturalized plant species
that grows at a site in response to planting or from existing seeds or other propagules.
The term natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that
grows on its own in subsequent years of planting is considered natural vegetation.
20.21 (i) By the aid of baiting, or on or over any baited area, where a person knows
reasonably should know that the area is or has been baited. However, nothing in this
paragraph prohibits:
the taking of any migratory game bird, including waterfowl, coots, and cranes, on or
over the following lands or areas that are not otherwise baited areas.
Standing crops or flooded standing crops (including aquatics); standing, flooded, or
manipulated natural vegetation; flooded harvested croplands; or lands or areas where
seeds or grains have been scattered solely as the result of a normal agricultural planting,
harvesting, post-harvest manipulation or normal soil stabilization practice;
ii) From a blind or other place of concealment camouflaged with natural vegetation;
iii) From a blind or other place of concealment camouflaged with vegetation from
agricultural crops, as long as such camouflaging does not result in the exposing,
depositing, distributing or scattering of grain or other feed; or
iv) Standing or flooded standing agricultural crops where grain is inadvertently scattered
solely as a result of a hunter entering or exiting a hunting area, placing decoys, or retrieving
downed birds.
2) The taking of any migratory game bird, except waterfowl, coots and cranes, on or
over lands or areas that are not otherwise baited areas, and where grain or other feed
has been distributed or scattered solely as the result of manipulation of an agricultural
crop or other feed on the land where grown, or solely as the result of a normal agricultural
operation.

From 50 CFR Part 20

g) Normal agricultural planting, harvesting, or post-harvest manipulation means a planting or
harvesting undertaken for the purpose of producing and gathering a crop, or manipulation after
such harvest and removal of grain, that is conducted in accordance with official recommendations
of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of
Agriculture.
RST/50 CFR 20 (as of 7/23/99) FOR PUBLIC RELEASE
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(h) Normal agricultural operation means a normal agricultural planting, harvesting, post-harvest
manipulation, or agricultural practice, that is conducted in accordance with official
recommendations of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S.
Department of Agriculture.
(i) Normal soil stabilization practice means a planting for agricultural soil erosion control or
post-mining land reclamation conducted in accordance with official recommendations of State
Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture
for agricultural soil erosion control.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 01:33:11 PM »
The Wisconsin regulations state " Agricultural areas must be prepared in accordance with official recommendations to be legally hunted".  I have asked for clarification of the statement and should be informed soon by the WI DNR.

Thanks for the feed back

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