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« on: November 16, 2005, 11:55:46 PM »
from the lasvegastribune.com   ,,,,,,strange contrails are seen in the skys over Las Vegas and othewr places by many folks, some claiming bad side effects. Government doesn't know anything....    fyi......TM7
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Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas
Marcus K. Dalton
Tribune Media Group

Part 1

Editor's Note: Las Vegas residents are increasingly noticing the appearance of chemical trails overhead. They appear EVERY weekend without fail, the only exception being the two weeks after September 11, 2001. Such "chemtrails" are substantially different in appearance to the normal condensation trails left by jet airliners. The difference is that while condensation trails are composed of water vapor that dissipates rapidly, "chemtrails" linger much longer and spread out over time to eventually cover the sky with a thin haze. This week the Las Vegas Tribune begins a two-part article to examine the undeniable and mysterious phenomena of Chemtrails Over Las Vegas.

Last year a concerned reader wrote to the Idaho Observer: "Driving across Idaho and Nevada we saw normal condensation trails in the skies above north Idaho and we were habitually looking up as we drove toward Las Vegas. We had noticed that the sparsely populated areas in Nevada had brilliantly clear blue skies and that the occasional airplane left vapor trails that dissipated normally. But as soon as we neared Las Vegas, in the skies directly above the city, we watched what appeared to be a military C-135 Transports spraying something over the populated areas. When the planes were no longer directly over Las Vegas, they continued flying leaving a vapor trail that dissipated normally."

It has been reported that the "chemtrails" contain ethylene dibromide -- a substance that has been an additive to gasoline and airplane fuels as well as a banned pesticide. Ethylene dibromide has been linked to kidney and liver damage and is an immunosuppressive and a lung irritant.

William Thomas, who has researched chemtrails since their appearance in the latter 90s, has noted stunted plant growth in once-healthy gardens and wilderness areas in Santa Fe and Aspen. Similar
plant problems are commonly associated with chemtrails in other regions of the U.S.

A brief history of the chemtrail phenomenon can be traced to a Washington state man who told award-winning investigative reporter William Thomas that he'd become ill on New Year's Day 1999 after watching several jets make strange lines in the sky. Within six months, Thomas, writing primarily for the Environmental News Service, has detailed 1000s of eyewitness reports of chemtrails from 40 states.

"Mainstream newspapers have gone out of their way to dismiss these eyewitness accounts," Thomas told the New Mexican newspaper in June 1999, "It's easier to sell UFOs to major media than a phenomena as close in many cities as the nearest window."

Especially disturbing for residents of heavily chemtrailed communities like Las Vegas is a "chemtrail sickness" associated with heavy spray days leaving many stricken people complaining of the "flu" and acute allergic reactions months after the flu season has ended. Upper and lower respiratory and gastrointestinal ailments remain unusually high in many spray areas, along with debilitating fatigue - and something even more worrying.

What's going on?

Thomas is convinced that we are under "deliberate biological attack" by agents known only to top military and government officials responsible for permitting continuing over-flights by unmarked spray aircraft.

Government officials deny that anything unusual is taking place, yet increasing numbers of concerned observers are seeing 727-like aircraft painted "all-white with a black stripe up the middle of fuselage" laying long and often cries-crossing chemtrail patterns over Southern Nevada and elsewhere. None of the planes carry identifying markings.

Pat Edgar has been watching the jets spraying over eastern Oklahoma since a sunny day in October, 1997 when as many as 30 contrails gradually occluded the sky. "They look like they're playing tic-tac-toe up there," he says. "You know darn well it's not passenger planes." Edgar says he has watched "cob-webbing stuff coming down" from the zigzagging jets flying "all day long, line after line, back-and-forth, like furrows in a farm field." Edgar adds "There is a lot of Lupus in the area now. A lot of women have come down with it."

One source, who spoke to the Tribune under condition of anonymity, working as a civilian archeologist on government land throughout Nevada, began to notice "all white unmarked aircraft" preparing for take-off at Nellis AFB and at the Mancamp Complex near Tonapah in the late-90s. "It was these unmarked planes that were constantly laying down the criss-crossing X patterns of lingering chemical-spray trails over Southern Nevada." When the archeologist asked the military escort who accompanied the civilian research team into 'sensitive' areas around Nellis, about the planes, the reply received was, "You didn't see anything."

Another Las Vegas resident, Sandy Range, grew up within an outdoors field and stream-type family and has been watching the weather and the skies all her life. Holding a degree from Syracuse University, Range moved to Las Vegas in 1989. "I first began to notice the chemtrails in late '96 - 14 criss-crossed miles-long vapor trails that didn't evaporate like the norm. I began to see them weekly, then daily," Range states matter-of-factly.

One early morning in '99 Range was returing from Henderson when a low-flying craft dropped a trail right overhead along Boulder Highway. "It covered my car with a sticky web-like coating and I saved a specimen in a jar. Microscopic fiber-like filaments," Range reports.

Government denials, as usual.

Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio authored the Space Preservation Act of 2001, which sought a "permanent ban against weapons in space," specifically banning "chemtrails" as weapons. But in a subsequent version of the bill, the "chemtrails" language disappeared entirely. The missing words suggest an eyes-wide-open denial, which says as much about the cover-up as it does about the spraying that's plainly visible in the sky.

In a front-page story entitled "Conspiracy theorists look up," the Akron Beacon Journal noted that Kucinich's bill "had been rewrittenand the references to chemtrails and the other types of weapons were quietly eliminated." The Beacon Journal article, linking chemtrails to conspiracies, resulted from massive local pressure. Michel Massullo of Akron provided that newspaper with rolls of photos of plane trails and a sworn affidavit attesting to extensive aerial activity over that city.

The U.S. Air Force Website refutes the "Chemtrail Hoax" as having been around since 1996, "accusing the Air Force of being involved in spraying the U.S. population" with mysterious substances: "Several authors cite an Air University research paper titled 'Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025' that suggests the Air Force is conducting weather modification experiments. The purpose of that paper was part of a thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future. The 'chemtrail' hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications."

Explaining the government's position, Lieutenant Colonel Michael K. Gibson of the U.S. Air Force wrote U.S. Representative Mark Green in August 2000 and stated, "The term 'chemtrail' is a hoax that began circulating approximately three years ago which asserts the government is involved in a joint federal program of covert spraying of the public."

But many intelligent researchers call Gibson's communique a classic non-denial denial: Gibson is denying that the Air Force is secretly spraying U.S. citizens. The reality is the U.S. Space Command and other government agencies are involved in ongoing experiments for military and environmental purposes that involve aerial spraying, and the microfibers and other sprayed chemicals inevitably fall to earth, putting the public at risk.

Before you believe Gibson's and the government's "denial," do an Internet search for the following terms: "Joint Vision for 2020" and "Weather is a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025", a whitepaper by MIT's Bernard Eastlund and H-bomb father Edward Teller. Before he died in 2003, Teller was director emeritus of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, where plans for nuclear, biological and directed energy weapons are crafted. In 1997, Teller publicly outlined his proposal to use aircraft to scatter through the stratosphere millions of tons of electrically-conductive metallic materials, ostensibly to reduce global warming.

Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base confirmed to the Ohio newspaper, Columbus Alive, that they were involved in aerial spraying experiments. One involved aluminum oxide spraying related to global warming and the other involved barium stearate and had to do with high-tech military communications.

And even in the face of government denials, environmental laboratories have begun to identify an extremely toxic component of the spray drifting over cities and countryside. Several independent sources claim that samples of fallout from the lingering smoke trails and have been independently tested and found to contain ethylene dibromide (EDB).

In 1998, a US Air Force public affairs officer told residents of Las Vegas that their sudden upsurge of respiratory ailments could have come from "routine" fuel-dumping by military aircraft reducing weight for landing.

An extremely hazardous pesticide, EDB was banned by the US Environmental Protection Agency in 1983. But in 1991, the composition of jet fuel used by commercial and military jet aircraft in the U.S. was changed from JP4 to somewhat less flammable JP8. A Department of Defense source says the move "has saved some lives" in air crashes. Ethylene dibromide is a key component of JP8.

The 1991 Chemical Hazards of the Workplace warns that repeated exposure to low levels of ethylene dibromide results in "general weakness, vomiting, diarrhea, chest pains, coughing and shortness of breath, upper respiratory tract irritation" and respiratory failure caused by swelling of the lymph glands in the lungs. "Deterioration of the heart, liver and kidneys, and hemorrhages in the respiratory tract," can also result from prolonged contact with JP8.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's hazardous materials list: "Ethylene dibromide is a carcinogen and must be handled with extreme caution." A seven-page summary of this pesticide's extreme toxicity notes that EDB may also damage the reproductive system. According to the EPA, "Exposure can irritate the lungs, repeated exposure may cause bronchitis, development of cough, and shortness of breath. It will damage the liver and kidneys".

Mark Witten, a respiratory physiologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson where an official US Air Force study on JP8 was carried out, told Scientist in March, 1998 that crew chiefs "seem to have more colds, more bronchitis, more chronic coughs than the people not exposed to jet fuel."

EDB is 6.5-times heavier than air. Unlike normal condensation trails, the thick white streamers being sprayed from downward-pointing tail-booms over at least 39 states does not dissipate, but spreads into an overcast that refracts a purple color in sunlight and appears suddenly as an oily film in puddles and ponds.

Hundreds of photographs and videotapes made by ground observers show pairs or larger formations of aircraft spreading a white mist that thickens and drifts toward the ground. Thousands of eye-witnesses - including police officers, pilots, military and public health personnel - have provided detailed accounts of aerial spraying in characteristic "X"s and east-to-west grid patterns, followed by occluded skies - and acute auto-immune reactions and respiratory infections throughout affected regions.

Severe headaches, nosebleeds, shortness of breath, joint pain and a dry hacking cough "that never leaves" are being reported by countless Americans jamming hospital Emergency Rooms from coast to coast. While December and January are traditionally bad months for asthma sufferers, patients, doctors and nurses across the U.S. report hospital wards filled to overflowing with bronchitis, pneumonia and acute asthma admissions at up to twice-normal winter rates.

"We're getting sprayed real heavily with the chemtrails," a Las Vegas resident told the Tribune. " On some days it's just total saturation."

As over-filled Pennsylvania hospitals were forced to divert respiratory emergencies to other facilities with bed space, a south-central Pennsylvania resident, Deborah Kammerer, looked out her window and watched aircraft "flying and dispersing over the city. It was supposed to be a clear sunny day. It became more overcast as the day progressed. I observed how the white trails widened out and settled down creating a haze over everything."

Where is the mainstream media's reporting of this mass phenomenon? Indications of a concerted cover-up came in February 2003, when a retired Southern Baptist preacher named Everett Burton finally succeeded in reaching C-span. After voicing his opinion on the Clinton impeachment trial, this former minister told Americans to get a copy of the Constitution and read it to realize what they have lost. Rev. Burton then advised viewers not to take his word for what was happening in the US, "just look up in the skies as the planes regularly spray contrails across the skies, spraying people and making them ill." At that point, Rev. Burton was cut off. The screen flipped from C-span to the Tennessee state seal, remained silent for several minutes.

... to be concluded next week.

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2005, 02:47:00 PM »
TM7,
There is NO WAY the "mainstream" media would ignore something BAD being done by the US military.  Ergo, BAH!  :roll:

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2005, 06:12:45 AM »
TM7. This new stuff to me. I'm all ears. Is there reports from anywhere in the midwest?

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 10:11:36 AM »
Saw this thread last night and did a search: "chemtrail". Seems that this stuff has been going on for a while. There is even a red plane that is referred to as "The Red Baron "!

Someone (an investigative reporter?) took some of the stuff and had it analyzed and it had micro organisms in it!

If nothing else, the search makes for some interesting reading!!

Some feel that the govt is experimenting with weather manipulation which is interesting  since recently I "heard" that they tried to do something with Hurricane Andrew and wound up making it WORSE!!

I follow this "Strange Things in the woods" topic constantly but this is my first post..I have stories that would fit in here but don't want to be accused of wearing a "Tinfoil Hat".
I too have been wondering where "Big Bill" has been. He is South South East of me a ways down the state.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2005, 09:11:10 AM »
Are the terrorsits spraying us or is it something from area 51?

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2005, 03:02:07 PM »
I've lived here in Vegas since 1962, and between McCarran Airport, Nellis AFB, The test site, Area 51,  Indian Springs Air Base (recently renamed ?), and the Red Flag air training operations, who can be surprised there are con trails in the sky? To attribute these normal condensation trails to something else is just wacko.
As far as the "Las Vegas Tribune", I've never even heard of it.  The main paper is the Las Vegas Review Journal. There are enough real issues in this town that deserve attention without trying to invent one, the crooked politicians for one.  BTW the skies here are clear more often than anywhere else in the country. You notice it when you go somewhere else and come back, the sky is so blue here.  You notice clouds.
Just my 2 cents worth, from the front lines.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2005, 07:31:43 PM »
Chemtrails are real.  They are not contrails.  As far as I know contrails are supposed to dissipate realatively quickly, like around 90 seconds or so of the jet passing by that particular airspace.  At least that's what I heard.  I watched a dvd that documented this.  There is absolutely no question whatsoever that something is going on.  Is it government?  Definately.  Am I at all surprised?  Not at all.  And for anyone to suggest that the government wouldn't try to hide or cover up some kind of activity that they are involved in needs to unbury their head from the sand.  It's reality.  

And by the way, I live in Minnesota.  I see chemtrails all the time.  Ticks me off.  

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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2005, 06:33:55 AM »
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Chemtrails are real.  They are not contrails.  As far as I know contrails are supposed to dissipate realatively quickly, like around 90 seconds or so of the jet passing by that particular airspace.  At least that's what I heard.  I watched a dvd that documented this.  There is absolutely no question whatsoever that something is going on.  Is it government?  Definately.  Am I at all surprised?  Not at all.  And for anyone to suggest that the government wouldn't try to hide or cover up some kind of activity that they are involved in needs to unbury their head from the sand.  It's reality.  

And by the way, I live in Minnesota.  I see chemtrails all the time.  Ticks me off.  

Jon

I can't disprove "chemtrails', but contrails may or may not dissipate, it would depend on the conditions, such as the altitude, air temperature and humidity at the altitude. The wind speed and turbulence would also effect them.  If a jet burns a hundred gallons of fuel flying across the sky it will leave many hundreds of pounds of water in the air behind it. If the air is 40 degrees below zero it will leave a white trail behind that will not go anywhere for a long time.  The same jet at a lower altitude or on a warmer day might leave a trail that disappears in minutes. Technically speaking , water in the condensation trail is a chemical.   The only other reason for stuff to be dumped into the air, would be a jet dumping fuel for emergency purposes, such as being overweight when making a landing. I'm not a pilot, but I know that planes planning a long trip might take off with a near maximum load of fuel and cargo, and then have to land before using the fuel, and be too heavy for certain airports or conditions, and have to dump fuel. This stuff would have to go somewhere... cough ... cough. :roll:  They certainly wouldn't be bragging about it.

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2005, 11:56:04 AM »
IMHO the guy is a pseudo science wacko.  I looked at the site. Even the pictures he shows on his front page are nothing more than con trails blown by the wind.

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2005, 12:47:56 PM »
I'm no rocket scientist but to me all but 2 or 3 of those pictures look like normal contrails to me. We have had them here in the midwest ever since I can remember. In fact some of them look more like a what I call fair weather clouds. Just my opinion. :D
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2005, 03:13:33 PM »
This thread is one of the typical conspiracy nuts' cause celebre.  First hint - use of a non-existant news source to "prove" the theory is correct.  Making up your sources is certainly not a way to convince thinking people of your theory.  Massive contrails date back to before WWII, and are nothing new.  To make a statement that they must disipate after 90 seconds is so nieve and foolish that I can't even begin to respond....Ignorance is bliss I guess.



Do airplanes occasionally dump fuel while inflight - yes.  Do they regularly dump tons of toxic chemicals on US cities?  Give me a break.  :D

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2005, 10:47:40 AM »
"This thread is one of the typical conspiracy nuts' cause celebre. First hint - use of a non-existant news source to "prove" the theory is correct. Making up your sources is certainly not a way to convince thinking people of your theory. Massive contrails date back to before WWII, and are nothing new. To make a statement that they must disipate after 90 seconds is so nieve and foolish that I can't even begin to respond....Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Do airplanes occasionally dump fuel while inflight - yes. Do they regularly dump tons of toxic chemicals on US cities? Give me a break."



I was talking to my brother yesterday.  He happens to be a pilot.  I asked him about the 90 second time line, and he said that in extreme circumstances that 90 seconds can stretch to 15 minutes.  Now does that make it a true statement?  Not necessarily.  But I have also read other reports that have documented the same thing.  I don't have all the information in front of me to show you where I got this or got that.  I'm simply making a hard statement that our government does not necessarily have our best interest in mind.  Period!  And that statement is based upon many many facts that I care not to get into on this forum.  

So, when I hear that there are unusual contrails that linger way to long, and that they appear to be made up of some chemicals, and that in certain places where they seem to be more prevelant (such as over New Mexico) they are causing upper respiratory problems in people that live under them, coupled with what I assume to be accurate as far as people actually seeing these planes turn on/off the flow (chemtrail), I think there's something to it.  It's more than just a conspiracy theory when there are multiple pieces of evidence leading to a very credible case against what's happening.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2005, 11:07:57 AM »
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I have also read....I don't have all the information in front of me..... our government does not necessarily.....many many facts that I care not to get into....when I hear...they appear to be....they seem to be.....I assume to be....I think there's something....
I won't dispute a person's belief system, it is is simply useless to discuss alternatives with them.  Base your belief on shadows and smoke if you wish (that's what a number of pseudo-faiths do).  Just don't ask me to believe that Elvis is alive, that Cubans and the CIA killed JFK, or that Roswell was the site of a legitimate space alien crash in 1947.  I'll leave those to the rest of the conspiracy wackos.
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PS - Something ceases to be a theory only when it is proven to be fact.  Sorry.

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2005, 06:49:57 PM »
I won't dispute a person's belief system, it is is simply useless to discuss alternatives with them. Base your belief on shadows and smoke if you wish (that's what a number of pseudo-faiths do). Just don't ask me to believe that Elvis is alive, that Cubans and the CIA killed JFK, or that Roswell was the site of a legitimate space alien crash in 1947. I'll leave those to the rest of the conspiracy wackos.
 
PS - Something ceases to be a theory only when it is proven to be fact. Sorry.


Lone Star,

You don't know me and you've got me pegged all wrong.  Now maybe you weren't totally referring to me, but I definately am some one who wants to see evidence of something before I believe it's true.  I'm a born-again Christian who grew up in a Christian home.  However, for God to be real to me I had to experience Him all by myself.  I've never physically seen God and He's never spoken to me in an audible way.  But, I know He exists, largely because there is evidence all over this universe that He's real.  

Now, I don't base any of my beliefs on shadows and smoke.  I want the truth in everything I do or am a part of.  And I have learned the hard way that seeking for truth in our media will often lead to dissapointment.  For example, I can give you a couple very good reasons for why JFK was taken out, and it's nothing you'll hear in the media.  Look who controls the media!  I do not take their word for it by just accepting what they say.  That's being plain ignorant.  

You say that something ceases to be theory only when it is proven to be fact.  Of course it is, but no one should believe the lies that we're told about some xyz event without thinking for ourselves.  That means thinking "outside the box" that is given to us by governement and media, or whoever.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2006, 09:35:48 AM »
Looks like Groom lake dust coming off that plane. :roll:
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