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« on: November 09, 2004, 08:50:56 AM »
Well, I just got back from my elk hunt in colorado using my Weatherby Vanguard 30-06 with a Bell & Carson stock, Nikon Monarch 4.5X16 scope and using my reload Barnes 168 gr. Triple Shock bullet.

What can I say, drop a 5X5 bull elk at 169 yards and he didn't take one step, dead in his tracks.

My son-in-law using a Remington BDL 30-06 using my same reload drop his 5X5 bull elk at 239 yards dead in his tracks.

Two other hunters we were with were both using 30-06's and one got a 6X6 and the other a 5X5 both using Hornady 180 gr. ammo and both shots were in excess of 200 yards.

My three fellow hunters also got a mule deer each using the same ammo they used for elk and all three shots were in excess of 200 yards.

Poor little old 30-06, just being so old I just don't know how we did it without a 300 WinMag.  I just guess we will just keep on living with this old great cartridge.  You don't want to know how I missed taking a shot at a record mule deer in the evening and losing light.  I had the ranch owner with me and my guide.  The ranch owner told me it was the biggest mule deer he had seen in 18 years and both agree it would have made boone & crockett.  The next time you buy a scope you better stop twice and think about what you are doing and how much light gathering that scope gets  that last few minutes in the evening and how much money are you willing to spend because you can't take the shot.  I will never ever use that Nikon scope again when I go out in the evening.  I should write a separate topic on equipment lessons learn in Colorado.

Anyway, all elk are being mounted as I speak and we brought home alot of meat.

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2004, 11:31:20 AM »
Dbuck, CONGRATS on a sucessful hunt, well except for the last part. Yep I too have had quite good results over the years with the ole '06 in hunting Whitetails here in Northeast South Dakota in open farm country. You ever notice when people compare cartridges they always seem to compare them to the ole "06. Now to this ole Country Boy that says something for the century old '06.

Was the Nikon Monarc you were using with the UCC coating? The reason I ask is they are supposed to really good for light transmission. Guess maybe you can't believe everything you read.

Sorry to hear of the missed opportunity on the trophy Mule Deer. That sounds like a once in a lifetime chance for sure.

Thanks for sharing your experiences, and again congrats on a sucessful hunt.

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2004, 11:38:18 AM »
Hmmm, you must have been dreaming, everyone knows you can't hunt out west with an 06. . . Let alone shoot big game :eek:

Congrats to all.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2004, 12:42:56 PM »
Yes, my monarch had UCC, but I made a mistake in posting, I have a 5.5X16X44, not a 4X16.  Hope to that point I would have sworn by these scopes.  In reality you don't that big a scope out west, I had mine turn down to 5.5.  It was great at the range shooting at 200 yards fix target, but that buck wasn't no fixed target.  I'm putting on a 3X9 scope from now on.  Another lesson learn is weight, my Weatherby Vanguard just seem heavy with that scope on and at age 62 I was sucking wind at 8,000 ft.

I'll give another tip to everyone out their, the Bushnell Pro Scout Rangefinder is a piece of junk, both my son-in-law and myself will be taking these back to get our money back.  Couldn't get out to 300 yards on cattle effectively out their.  Go with the top of the line ranger finer, I'm going with the Leica LRF 900 or 1200, lessons learned.

Another funny thing happen with that buck that I thought about afterwards is that my guide had his rifle and was looking through his scope and could see the buck, why didn't he just say "Use my rifle".  I guess in all the excitement everyone forgot.  That's why they call it hunting and not killing.

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2004, 12:56:25 PM »
My compliments to you on your successful venture.    It must have been a real treat.


Good luck with your future endeavors as well.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2004, 01:05:24 PM »
dbuck, you are the Big Gun Companies worst nightmare. How are they going to convince you that you are using a little pea-shooter with results like that! Don't you know, you are supposed to miss, gut shoot, chop off a leg, or mess up some other way, so they can convince you to buy a flatter shooting, more accurate, Magnum, to prove your manhood to us lesser hunters?
Congats on the hunt, and God bless the few not so easily duped left.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2004, 01:14:10 PM »
What a great hunt, I envy you. :lol:

I agree the 30-06 is a game getting machine!!!!!

Hate to say it, but once you go beyond the 3x9x50, you really loose light gathering capability.

With my limited research ability, the best scope I have found for the money is the Nikon Monarch gold, 30 mm tube 3.5x10x56($599.00). Has a exit pupil of about 26. You will never be able to blame the scope for not being able to shoot.

If you want bright stay away from high power.


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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2004, 01:43:58 PM »
dbuck,

Since you were out in the west, shouldn't you have had to make a 400 yard artillery shot with some WSM? How dare you sneek up on that elk and lay him down at 169 yards with that ol 30-06. Congrats on a great hunt!

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2004, 01:48:36 PM »
dbuck,

Congrats on a great hunt my friend! :D

BTW, were you able to recover the Barnes Triple Shock bullets?  If yes, then how did they perform?  Were you able to weigh them?  I have found the regular Barnes X to be great in most of my rifles, with groups 1MOA or better, and terminal performance to be excellent although I was only able to recover 1 bullet, and that was from a 250 pound hog that was shot through the grisle plate.  I would imagine that the TSX is about the same.  Your thoughts?

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2004, 02:53:07 PM »
To reply to Bubba Jack and Zachary, first bubba jack its my fault for not during my homework on scopes, I agree with you and I should have follow Greybeards advice on a couple of post about the size of the scope.  Live and learn.

To Zachary's post, neither one of us recovered the bullet, I was looking for it so I could weight it and see its shape.

I guess I will stick to my old trusty 30-06 with a Barnes 168 Gr. Triple X bullet.  If ain't broke no fix it.  All summer long we were putting that bullet in the X-Ring at 200 yards, but I feel that you have to fine the sweet spot for the OAL which Barnes recommend about 50 thousands off the lands and grooves, I would go along with that.

I took along my CZ American 270 (which I love and also is a great shooter) as a back up rifle with a 3X9 scope, I wish I had taken that rifle that evening when I went mule deer hunting.

I think it says something for a cartridge that comes home with 4 elk and 3 mule deer and the shortest shot was 169 yards, but I guess the gun writers have to write about something, their's nothing left to say about the 30-06 except it might make it to the next century and it still is the number one seller in ammo.

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2004, 05:46:25 AM »
I'm pleased to hear such positive reports on the .30-06.  I inherited one less than a year ago.  I have not taken it hunting yet, but hope to take it hunting for cow elk in 2005 (I'll use my .25-06 and .243 for Oklahoma deer hunting and pronghorn hunting).

It is interesting to note how much contempt is bestowed upon the .30-06, or maybe damning with faint praise is more to the point.  I've heard "fair for hunting all game, excellent for hunting none."  I guess the point was that it wasn't optimal for any game animal in the thinking of the writer.  I think much is made of the long distance shot in western hunting, but it is my belief that most hunters are not up to making the long distance shot -- and I include myself in this category.  I am confident at 200 yards; shaky at 300 yards; poor shot at 400 yards.  Since the .30-06 ballistics really aren't bad over the first 300 yards, it should suit my needs and that of 90% of hunters.  What good does it do a hunter to have a .300 Winchester magnum which can be used with no hold over to 400 yards (or whatever, I'm using exemplary figures here) if the hunter can't hold steady enough to land 50% of his bullets in a 10" circle at 400 yards?

Anyway, I like having multiple rifles and look forward to obtaining more as time goes by.  Still, it is pleasant to know that for practical purposes my .30-06 is a good tool for everything I will hunt in the lower 48 states.

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2004, 06:09:17 AM »
I think more then caliber, it goes to show bullet selection and practice is what makes a hunt successful. Under 350 yards there really is no difference between a 308 and whatever the new Magnum thunderstick the gunpress totes in any thirty caliber.I see you were using a rangefinder so I assume you had time to take a rest and plant a broadside shot into the animals boiler room. Proves that practice with a rifle,  waiting for the right shot for proper bullet placement and a solid rest shooting at reasonable ranges and a bullet designed for the application that the hunter chooses is what counts,not cliber and rifle type.In my years of big game guiding,about the  two best hunters I worked with used "eastern woods type firearms.One used a savage 99 in 300 the other a remington semi auto in 3006. they both knew thier rifles and were prascticed shots from all positions from off hand to prone. I am glad you had a great hunt. ANTHONY

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2004, 06:44:21 AM »
Dbuck, are you sure that Elk is dead? I thought 06's bounced off their ribs. :-D  Yes one does become a field tester when hunting out there and you quickly find out what is needed and not needed and what works and doesn't work sometimes painfully.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2004, 07:31:42 AM »
Dbuck,  What was your guide using for a scope?

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2004, 10:45:15 AM »
congratulations on a truly successful "hunt".  The '06 is all anybody needs for hunting big game in the continental USA.

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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2004, 11:20:16 AM »
I guess I put about 250 rounds down range at 200 yards during the summer using the 168 Gr. Barnes and that doesn't count what I put down range for my 270 and 308 caliber rifles.  I did practice standing, prone, and sitting positions.  I must say that I have shot service rifle completion for years so I'm used to shooting these positions out to 600 and 1000 yards at Camp Perry with open sights.

I was using a range finder (Bushnell Pro) which I just took back to Gander Mountain and bought a Leica 900.  Lesson learned:  Stay away from a Bushnell Pro, both my son-in-law and I had bought one of these and it wouldn't work on cows in a field at 300 yards, we both took them back and got the Leica.  His brother who was with us had a Leica and it work great and we all love it.  It just happen to work out with this elk and this shot because it was just a 169 yards out.  

The shot occur at 7:15 am on the last morning of the hunt and I was the only one that hadn't got an elk or mule deer, everyone else had got one of each.  We were on a ridge that looks like a bowl with a pond down in the valley with a couple of ravines coming into it.  This part of Colorado is different hunting then you see on TV.  Alot of sage brush and rocks, berry trees at 8,000 ft.  The aspen trees (forest) are higher up and this private ranch that I was hunting on is surrounded by public hunting grounds.  The biggest elk herd in North America is in this area, but the bull elk for the most part are not huge record breaking bulls due to hunting pressure.  My 5X5 went around 650 to 700 lbs.  Well anyway, you only hunt in the morning time when the elk come up from the valley where they have been feeding all night and are going back to their bedding areas.  All week I had seen elk (about 300 head) put they were mostly cows and  several times I seen these three bull elk running together, but they would always go right when they should have gone left and come by me.  What they do in this area is they have a lead cow that takes them to and from their bedding areas with the bull elks walking way behind.  The secret is not to let the lead cow see or smell you.  I had this huge sage brush on my right and I couldn't see the ridge where they were coming in from, but was looking down at the pond.  My guide was to my left and little back of me.  At 7:00 am here walks in about 8 cows and they walk right into the pond and break up the thin ice and get a drink of water.  They stay their a few minutes drinking and move on up the ridge to my left and over the ridge.  It wasn't 15 minutes and I spot this bull elk coming into the pond area from my right when he passed the sage brush that was blocking my view.  About that time my guide hit me in the back, like saying this is the one to take.  All this time I'm sitting their and I'm thinking this is it, time is running out for me and praying at the same time that a bull elk would come along.  I was in a good sitting position and he was broad side to me at 169 yards and I aimed right behind the shoulder in the boiler area and pull the trigger (2.5 lbs trigger pull) and he drop right in his tracks, I rack another round into the chamber, but it was unnecssary he was dead on his feet.  Now I'm laughing and pounding my guide and wanting to go down and see my elk, when he said "Let's sit here a little while and maybe another will come along and I can get mine, and wasn't allow to shoot one until you got yours.  Well I'll be, it wasn't five minutes here comes another one and Butch shot him at 220 yards using a 338 caliber, but he had shoot him three times before he went down (shot placement).  Now we are really laughing and talking and I look up and here comes another bull elk which was bigger then the one I shot, but he took one look at two dead bull elk and thought he better get out of Dodge, but he didn't run he just walk around the other part of the ridge, I could have shot him within the next few minutes if I had wanted too.  Now you know the whole story of my elk hunt.  This is the same pond and the same area that I lost the record breaking mule deer three evenings before.  Scope work fine at 7:15 am, but couldn't cut it at 7:00 pm.

By the way these were the same three bull elk that I had seen several times during the course of the week.
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2004, 12:25:34 PM »
SeaBass, my guide was using a Burris 3X9 Fullfield II on a Winchester Model 70 in 338 caliber.

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2004, 12:56:47 PM »
Quote from: dbuck
SeaBass, my guide was using a Burris 3X9 Fullfield II
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Congratulations on your successful hunt.  Sorry to hear about the mule deer!!

I've got a Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II BallisticPlex on my BAR 30-06.   Light gathering capability is excellent and I really like the Ballistic Plex reticle.  I'm sighted in dead on at 100 Yds with 165Grn Partitions on top of IMR4831 and she shoots about 1/2" low at 200Yds using the 200Yd cross hair.  I really like being able to sight in dead on at 100Yds (as opposed to sighting in 2-3"high) and then just using the 200/300 marks for those infrequent longer shots.  Eliminates the "hold-over" guess work completely.

Haven't hunted with this gun yet but like you, I've shot it plenty since I first got it this past spring.  I'm very comfortable out to 200+ yds from various shooting positions.  Our gun season opens this Saturday, and I just can't wait to see how she performs.

Congrats again!

PS:  I'll let you know how the Burris does in low light conditions.

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