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Offline Rustyinfla

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« on: November 11, 2005, 01:08:23 PM »
I read on the net yesterday that there is a move afoot trying to get enough support for Vermont to secede. I didn't find enough to see why they were ding it, just that there is a grass roots effort being mobilized.

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 03:02:37 PM »
Rusty,
I remember there being some group that was encouraging conservatives to move to Vermont for that purpose.  I guess Idaho is passe.  :roll: It might help if one could find a decent job in either place!
But, then, that's nothing new. If I recall my history lessons right, that area of Vermont and northern N.Y. tried to form an independent state (Franklin) soon after the American Revolution.  :shock:
I'd much rather hear of California seceding. :wink:

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2005, 11:00:04 AM »
Shorty, are you sure you're not thinking about the Free States Program? I think that was a bunch of Libertarians who were wanting to move enough people into a state ( NH) to take over the political process.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2005, 02:04:02 PM »
Rusty,
You're right.  That was the one.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2005, 05:22:21 PM »
Actually you're both right; however it's the Second Vermont Republic that thinks they can secede via the mere popular will of Vermont citizens, while the Free State Project thinks that they can make a difference without state sovereignty-- i.e. they have no intention of challenging federal authority over the state.

I personally disagree with both of them, since 1) current federal policy forbids secession, and 2) history proves that it's impossible  to achieve state-freedom without the right to secede (and in fact I've had this disagreement with the FSP for some months now on their forum-board). In fact, this is what led to the Civil War, i.e. federal exploitation of under-represented states; and now that secession is verboten, state freedom is for the Byrds.