Author Topic: Let's build a Muzzle Loading 12ga Huntsman TURKEY THUMPER!!! (Read 2104 times)

Busta · « **on:** February 21, 2005, 07:20:14 PM »

Well it don't have to be just for turkeys. Wouldn't it be cool if H&R/NEF would just build one of these for us?

Let's have some fun by putting our heads together to come up with what our 12ga Muzzle Loading Turkey Thumper would look like.

OK, I'll put in my $0.02 worth, then everyone please join in.

My gun would start with a 26" raised vent rib, screw-in choke barrel like the Topper Deluxe Classic that only had the bore drilled out. The chamber area would then be drilled for a removable SS Breech Plug with 209 ignition. The extended choke would be of good quality with a constriction in the .660 to .665 range. The raised rib would have a set of removable metal fiber optic sights like the Williams Fire Sights along with the standard front bead. The barrel would be drilled and tapped for scope rail mounting where you could still see down the raised rib with the rail mounted. IT would have QD Rings for quick removal of optics (scope, red-dot). An adjustable comb synthetic stock with a Simms Vibration Labs LimbSaver recoil pad and forend with sling swivel studs and sling installed. The WHOLE gun would then be dipped into my choice of camo.

Please feel free to add to or change anything for your DREAM Turkey Thumper.

I would really just settle for a 12ga Muzzle Loading barrel with screw-in chokes and a bead. What would you like to have?

JRSR126 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2005, 11:38:44 PM »

Busta'yote,

Sounds really good. Only thing I could add is a one piece durable ramrod that accepts 10/32" accessories and a breach plug wrench that accepts a socket.

MTNMAN · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2005, 03:40:38 AM »

Well Busta,
You know I been lookin' for an in-line ML from NEF since we were over on their Old site.... Make mine the 28" TDC Barrel with screw in chokes and Vent rib(Minus the choke) in Matte black with a Mossy Oak Camo Monte Carlo stock.... Gotta be tapped for a scope cause I CSS w/o a scope....

Look how long I had Lil' Tom before they even thought about puttin' choke tubes in a 20 gauge...Maybe if I take a Huntsman barrel and make a smooth bore outta it they'll get the hint.... MTNMAN :wink:

mangulator · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:41:07 AM »

Busta'yote, I think your on to something. I like the 26 inch barrel and vent rib with adjustable sights, with extended choke tube or bead and I like to see the scope rail if possible to add a scope or red dot. The same 209 ignition system and if they went with half of our dreams it would be a great shotgun.

Gold Digger · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2005, 02:08:48 PM »

maybe not 12 but 20 i think is doable IF YOU DRILL OUT THE RIFLINGS...im looking at barrel blanks 4 a shotgun on a kick but havent found one yet ....jb

mangulator · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2005, 06:39:58 PM »

Busta'yote, I think we are getting some pretty good idea's. Maybe we should hold a poll and see how many would rather have a black powder 20 ga. or 12 ga. and barrel length 26, 28, or 30. Vent rib or no vent rib and who would like it tapped for a scope base and then send the poll to H&R/NEF and give it the name TURKEY THUMPER.

mrlizzzard · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:37:53 AM »

Why wouldn't the Huntsman or Sidekick be able to load a shot based charge?My grandfather was a meat hunter and they shot ducks with screws and hair pins and chains.Ever hear of grape shot?

Please don't flame me,think about it same gun for turkey dear and varmits,I have a dream.

all the best,
lizzzard

wilded · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:45:36 AM »

It needs to be 12 gauge to sell in volume as the 20 does not have enough power for Turkey, goose and varmint hunting.

ET

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:32:46 PM »

I would love to have a 12 ga. ml barrel. Hey H&R are you listening?

stew · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2005, 02:45:44 PM »

Sounds good:
Make mine in Mossy Oak and a Bisley type hammer.

wilded · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2005, 02:56:49 PM »

I just want a 28 or 30 or 32 inch 12 gauge black powder I could hunt turkey and varmints with. A vent rib would look nice. A stock like the buffalo classic would be ok too. Oh, it needs to have a case hardend color receiver. ET

And a steel trigger guard.

Oh and a round ball barrel in .50 to go with it would be nice.

Primer · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2005, 06:52:40 PM »

Ohhh Boy! Make mine a 24" barrel in 12ga with vent rib and screw-in choke capability (xxxFull ). With long choke,the 24" barrel will do nicely as prefer a shorter barrel. :grin:

Fiber optic front bead and mid-barrel rib bead. Barrel drilled and tapped for scope rail.

Wood stock for balance with sling swivels....my choice of camo dip for entire gun. :grin: Checkering would also be nice to improve grip.

That's all I want!

Oh!,.....and a Breech plug wrench with T-handle and a stainless breech plug for 209 primers or small rifle.

Thats all I want! :-D

Markus · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:09:25 PM »

I've emailed them and was it was one of the things I talked about a few times here and a few times on the old H&R Talk. I guess it doesn't hurt to bring it up again.

wilded · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:49:35 PM »

What was their response?

Busta · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2005, 05:51:12 PM »

Thanks Markus,

It sure would be nice if they would make one of these. The Muzzleloading Turkey Hunting is just starting to take off, sure would be nice if H&R/NEF would get in on the boom. The sales are going to boom within the next couple of years IMHO.

I have 2 12ga Muzzleloading Turkey guns, and have for a few years. I have a Knight TK2000 and a White White Thunder (Tominator). The White is in my pic to the left. It just ads another challenge to turkey hunting, and after shooting several with a conventional shotgun, allot more fun and rewarding. If H&R/NEF comes out with a muzzleloading shotgun, I will definitely buy one. The Knight will probably be "For Sale" at that point, but I'm keepin' the White. :wink:

Anyone lookin' for a Knight TK2000?

bubba · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2005, 12:35:57 AM »

I have an older t/c sidelock. It was reamed and choked with rem choke by a friend of mine. I hunt turkeys with it and have been successful. It works with good ole number 11 caps and goex. I would love to see nef come out with one, but, I like my old one so well I doubt I would get one. Ha yeah right if one is good 2 will be better.

Primer · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2005, 07:48:22 PM »

bubba,

Can you give us more info on your "reamed and choked" T/C sidelock?

What cal did you start with and was it SB or rifled? Also, what ga. did you end up with? Sounds very interesting,...as have a few T/C's lying about. :grin:

bubba · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2005, 12:12:45 AM »

I twas a 12 gauge barrel to start with. The t/c new englander. It was a straight barrel. I had a frined of mine who is a machinist take the barrel. He reamed the end and threaded it so it uses remington chokes now. I apologize if I midlead anyone thinking it was a different barrel. The only part that was reamed was for a choke system.

Primer · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2005, 08:28:45 AM »

bubba,

Thanks. I guess I was just automatically thinking Hawken or Renegade...as that is what I usually shoot...along with my beloved Huntsman. :grin:

I'll have to watch for a New Englander 12 ga, although I don't recall coming across any for sale recently.
I really like the idea of the Rem choke capability and hopefully, a good gunsmith shop could do the same.. should I locate a gun.

jh45gun · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2005, 08:56:15 PM »

I bought a couple of barrels a couple of years ago at Gander Mountain on a close out. They were for the knight Md 86 Switch barrel system gun. I bought both of these barrels for 30 bucks a piece. There were origionally marked 180 a piece. One was a 54 cal fast twist one in 28 made for Knight by Green Mountain and the other was a 12 guage barrel with a .665 turkey choke installed. The barrel takes Remchokes. I thought cool I will contact knight buy a reciever and stock the gun myself. Well Knight did not have any more recievers and did not plan to make anymore so now what I have two barrels to play with so I made my own style of underhammer system and just got done with them. They are different looking but they work and total cost I have into them is 50 bucks apiece. Not bad except for trying to figure out how to make them work. I found out that conventional underhammer systems are really difficult to fit in a full stock as they get too long that is why most underhammers have their own recievers. Well I figured out a system so now I will be getting into shotgun muzzle loading. The system is a plunger system that is held in place by the notch in the sear. The nut on the rod acts as a safety and to hold the "hammer" away from the nipple when priming and cleaning the spent primer out of the tube. You cannot see in the pics well but there is a priming/cleanout hole in the side of the stock with a cover over it. I know this has nothing to do with NEF's and yea I have a Huntsman but since you are talking about turkey guns I figured I would add this so here is my new Turkey and what ever else muzzle loader shotgun along with its twin rifle.

Busta · « **Reply #20 on:** July 08, 2005, 06:53:23 PM »

Cool!

jh45gun,

How is the trigger pull? That Knight 12ga is usually a good shooter. What kind of stock did you put on 'em?

jh45gun · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:23:39 AM »

Trigger pulls are actually good. I did not put them on a scale but they are not bad. I just tried them compared to my Huntsman and the rifle is about the same the shotgun is a bit lighter than my Huntsman. The stocks were precarved ones I bought from a friend who picked them up some where I got them for 10 bucks apiece.

They were long full stock ones. I had to do a lot of work getting the barrel channel round from octagon (Lot of sanding with a round piece of PVC) and then I glass bedded the barrels into the channels for a good tight fit. They fit good but still come out easy. Yea the barrels look like good barrels so I am figureing that they will shoot good. They are the second and third muzzle loaders I have built I also built this 54 cal ball shooter that has a Green Mountain barrel too. So along with my Huntsman It gives me 4 muzzle loaders. Yea its left handed :wink:

Yea I do have a Huntsman. I kept the front sight but made a homemade Peep sight on it. I had a red dot on it but the peep shoots tighter groups. WI law says for the muzzle loader season you have to use a 1x scope so that kinda lets out any scopes I can afford so the peep sight does the job for me.