Thanks for the replies. I grew up in a military family. My dad, a career Air Force officer, thought roughing it was a cabin at Big Bear Lake in SoCal, but he didn't try to thwart my enthusiasm for the outdoors. Well, not quite anyway. I remember one year I worked at West Thumb in Yellowstone National Park as a cook's helper and was supposed to use my summer money to buy clothes for school at Minot, North Dakota, where my dad and family were located. Anyway, I got my summer's cash in hand, and instead of calling the folks to come and get me hitchhiked to Minot. There, I had Bob Harrell, who worked for my dad, meet me at the front gate. I was not 18 years old yet, and could not buy a firearm, but Bob could. I got a Model 88 Winchester in .284 Winchester in 1963. Man, let me tell you, the folks were both mad as hell and poor Bob really caught it, but, I was able to keep the rifle and even got one of those little Lee handloaders to rounds. Anyway, as to my elk round, it is my everything round Gregory. It is the 160 grain Nosler Partition in front of 48.3 grains of H414 power with the bullet seated way, way out there so the ogive is .01 inch from the lands. That load chronographed at more than 2,800 fps. With that load I poleaxed a bull elk going away and up a slight hill at about 125 yards. The bullet hit him in the spine and his four legs went straight out from under him like he had been hit in the back with a hammer. I also smacked a cow elk at 285 yards (lasered) with the same load. Hit her in the boiler room. She and about six other cows were walking along a small mesa in front of me and the blind in which I was sitting. I fired, and I heard the bullet smack and saw her bunch slightly, then she started to walk forward about 20 steps and then just fell to her far side. I never did find any bullet from the bull and the cow, well, it was a pass-through on her. The exit wound was slightly larger than a quarter. I do a lot of shooting with my CZ rig, so I have confidence in it and my abilities with it. I do not consider it marginal for elk, though I would not shoot an elk past the 300 yard mar, or thereabouts. There are lots of folks out there who feel that anything less than a .30/06 and even a .338 Winchester Magnum is not giving the elk the respect it deserves. I applaud their feelings, but in the end, their feelings are not right for me. 7x57mm