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Offline Brac2005

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« on: December 12, 2004, 07:41:28 AM »
Howdy,
  I've been shooting percussion for more than 20 years, but just ordered my first flintlock..an Austin & Halleck mountain rifle, .50,  1 in 66" twist.  I have had very good luck using Bore Butter, and have pretty much decided to use it right from the start on this rifle.  Is there anything special that I need to do with the flinter?  Any comments on the A&H rifle?  I looked here, but the name is pretty rare for the most part.  Any help is appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2004, 02:20:49 PM »
A&H does good work. No special tricks other than the normal load workup.

You can do a quick check of your lock time by priming the pan and holding the gun upside down. Pull the trigger and the pan powder should flash. That preassumes that it flashes right side up.

Don't bury the flash hole with powder, less is better. Try the flints bevel up and bevel down.

Know that there is a learning curve with the flint gun. Don't get frustrated.

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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2004, 05:19:31 PM »
And Howdy to you Brac 2005, Mister Will Bison has just said it the best way I have ever heard it said. You are beginning a learning curve. I have been shooting cap locks since 1970, but I am certainly no expert when it comes to flint locks, in fact, I acquired my first flintlock last July. A .32 caliber to play with, to see if I wanted to use one for deer hunting. I took it out to my friend Kip's range to shoot it for the first time, and getting the flint positioned so it would make sparks was the first puzzle I encountered. I wish there was a tip I could give you on that, but we just kept moving it until we started getting sparks. I have read elsewhere on this sight that the many of the spanish made locks produce weak sparks, and I know this one is that way. Next, we loaded it up, and got our first "flash in the pan". We dug around in the touch hole with a pick, and the next try, we had ignition. It was all down hill from there. Hang fires, failure to fire at all, lock time varied so bad from shot to shot, that I had time to drive home before it went off on a couple occasions. I went home and cleaned the thing, and after putting it in the gun cabinet, I just sat there looking at it and wondered how anyone had survived while depending on such a contraption for protection and food. My thoughts turned to the first baby sitters (Both parents worked) I and my brother and sister had. Fred and Emma Varnum, our next door neighbors. Fred was born in 1772, and while he hunted or fished most days of the year, he still used the only two guns he had ever owned. A flintlock rifle, and a single barrel flintlock shotgun. I started to think about the way Fred would go about loading one of his guns before getting in his 1920s Buick to go hunting. I remembered he always had a tooth pick or something stuck in the touch hole while he loaded the thing. Being a nosey little boy, I asked him what that did. He told me you had to keep powder out of the touch hole, or it burned like a firecracker fuse, and you got a hang fire. Then I remembered another time when he sat in his horse hide chair with a dinner plate on his lap, grinding some black stuff with his thumb in a table spoon. when I asked what he was doing, he told me he was going to the lake to hunt ducks in the morning. It would be foggy and the stone and frizzen would be damp giving a weak spark. "Your prime has to be fine as dust when the spark's weak." "When you prime, everybody thinks you have to fill the pan. It don't work good that way. You only fill the pan about a third full, and when your shot comes, tip the gun to the outside to get the powder away from the touch hole. That gives the fire a straight shot to the touch hole, and it goes off quicker." Another time, he was messing around the lock with a screwdriver. "What you doing Fred?"  "Touch hole was getting to big" he said "Putting in a new one. Here's the most important thing. See how it looks like a screw ? You got to have that slot straight up and down so the fire from the prime goes right up in the hole." Sad to say, those are the only four answers to the 10,000 questions I must have asked him that I can remember, or I could write an owner's manual for flint locks. I took the rifle back out of the cabinet, turned the liner slot straight up, and then grabbed the wife's herb mortar and pestle, and made a priming flask full of "Dust". The next evening I went back out to Kip's, and what a difference. I swear, Ignition seemed as positive and quick as my cap locks. Do these four things, and you will like your flintlock a lot better !  Cowpox
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2004, 05:44:21 PM »
Boy, I just re-read my reply. Ol' Fred was an old bugger wasn't he ? He was born in 1872 , not 1772.  Cowpox
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2004, 01:04:09 AM »
Thanks guys,
  I'm a Yankee who just moved down to Georgia.  With the liberal limits down here, 12 deer a year and unlimited hogs, I've already discovered that using nothing but modern firearms (and even caplocks) gets boring in a hurry, and my first season isn't over for another month yet.  That's why I decided to make things a bit more interesting with the flintlock.  It should be here this week sometime.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2004, 07:57:43 AM »
I've no experience with Austin and Halleck, but the ones I've handled seemed OK.  In fact, had they ever offered them in .54, I likely would have owned one.  Still can't figure out why .50 is their only offering - specially with roundball twists.

Flintlock is to guns, as manual transmission is to cars.  They take a good deal more learning, but once you get them running smoothly, the satisfaction is yours.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2004, 08:36:55 AM »
I was shopping for an A&H Mountain rifle earlier this year.  I contacted them and they sent me to a dealer that actually had one.  Most in my area didn't stock any but they could be ordered.  The one I looked at had had several very obvious visual problems.

What I remember is the wood to metal fit was really bad and there was a gash in both the rear sight and barrel dovetail where it looked like a chisel was used to tap in the rear sight.   I told the dealer I was very disappointed in the quality and he agreed.  Suggested I contact A&H as it would have more clout than if he did.

I contacted A&H.  They contacted the dealer and had him return the rifle.  I ended up buying a Lyman.  

just my experience

but they do use a very nice piece of wood.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2004, 03:23:03 AM »
I also looked at buying an A&H flintlock last year.  I decided to buy the Lyman GP after comparing the quality and the price.  I am very happy with my decision.

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2004, 05:58:10 AM »
I have an A & H flintlock and like it very much. It's accurate, sparks well when used with English flints and never fails to fire when properly loaded. I took a good sized doe with it during Ohio's gun season.

I think A & H had a quality control problem some time in the past, but my rifle looks good and functions well in every way.

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 10:18:08 AM »
Brac,

You have purchased a beautiful gun.  I have the fancy select with the 1:66 also.  I love the gun, BUT, they have awful quality control.  Mine shot 18 inches low at 25 yards off the iron sights when I first bought it.  I didn't even mess with it, called customer service and shipped it back.  They fussed with the sights (after spending a bunch of time trying to persuade me to go to an adjustable fiber optic - uh, uh, not when I just paid $800...).

The gun showed up and I diddled with the loads to get it till I could shoot a two inch group at 100 yards.  The load out I use is a bit extreme - 110 grains of Goex on a .490 Speer ball with a 0.10 thick flannel patch using bore butter as the lube.  To be honest, the thing pretty much shoots sub-2 inch groups whether I shoot from about 80 grains up to the 110.  (Note the A&H says a max charge of 100 though, but if their barrels can't handle a 10% overage, then they shouldn't be in business.)  The kick at 110 is obviously much greater than at 80, but I tend to take fairly long shots when I am hunting so I need the greater velocity.

At 110 gr, the thing fouls awful (I have wanted to try Swiss powder but can't seem to locate it in any nearby stores).  You will need to swab about every third shot or so.  Without cleaning, I can get about six to eight shots before it is virtually impossible to get a ball down the barrel.  

Overall, I love the gun: it shoots well, it is pretty, and it is just fun to spend a day shooting.